PlummMeanGreen

Agree, Harry...I don't see anything wrong-looking at all with their football venue, especially with their upcoming new A/C on the horizon. Really, shouldn't all of us in the "no chance to ever advance our athletic programs" neighborhood the Super Conference boys are doing their dead level best to put us in all sorta' stick together? That's tantamount to telling a CEO in a striving American business thats puts hundreds or even sometimes thousands of Americans to work that their salary level has been maxed out with never a chance of making any more. I only hope the Big Boys Super Conference advocates don't steal our dreams to have any opportunity for future advancement, either. Can you only imagine a school of 50,000 enrollment in a Top 5 TV market being told they can't advance their program? I ramble once again but back on point...congrats Dawgs! GMG!

Tuberville is the new kid on the block, right? Seems he would want to make his 1'st official year at TTech as a "silence is golden" sort of year to me. Some of his collegues may even resent his "very early" opinion-making knowing how these things go. And lest he forget, Lubbock will never be confused for having the kind of TV market the truly Big Boy Conference gurus want when they start putting all their Super Cookie Cutter This One Will Be The Perfect Marriage Conferences together (once again). Tech will have to coat-tail it with UT and/or Texas A&M whether they like that scenario or not. Just my own speculation...

As a UNT student and a few times as an alum I had the priviledge to hear the UNT Symphony in concert and each time I came away totally in shock & awe. I am not a conissieur of symphony orchestras but I've heard the Dallas,Fort Worth and Houston Symphonies and these college kids in Denton are not so far of their marks of excellence at all. Of course, many of our UNT Symphony alums will be future members in major city orchestras across the USA & World upon their graduations. I digress: The best "A" I feel I ever made on any report card at any level of education was a "B" I received in private trumpet lessons under the late professor Larkins at the UNT College of Music. I took the course as an elective. I had several other music courses at UNT under my belt that were electives. Had the opportunity to take a Music Appreciation course under the late 'Fessor Floyd Graham in what I believe was his last year on the UNT College of Music staff. ('Fessor Graham first started on the UNT staff I believe in 1928 as I recall him saying). One day 'Fessor told our class how he had put UNT students Pat Boone & Roy Orbison in a quartet at our Denton campus. How great it was for our alma mater to have 2 of Rock & Roll's earliest pioneers. 'Fessor Graham was a plethora of great stories & vignettes about our alma mater in its early days at the College of Music. Now gol'darn it Arkansas Jones, make sure our school's world class symphony orchestra receives the recognition its due!

Just speculating (which is what I suppose we all do when we post on this forum about anything); but I think TCU would pick UH, SMU and a distant 3'rd UNT for their traveling partner. Blood is thicker than water whereas TCU, SMU and UH were part of the SWC family at one time. Wish I were 100% wrong on this, but I fear I would not be. I tell you, politics in the NCAA is a tough nut to crack when you are on the outside looking in (which has been our role forever). Hawaii Update: If this UH were to vault the WAC and go Indy' as mentioned in another thread, I would think all bets would be off any further "speculation" concerning UNT going that direction, but I really did like that Eastern WAC division adding ArkSt, UL (Laf) with UNT joining present WAC member LaTech. That would be the only way I could see us singing "Do Wac-A-Do Wac-A-Do Wac-A-Do. (How I miss the great Roger Miller who died way too young with lung cancer many years ago).

ibleedgreen, you know those times when you know the name, it's on the tip of your tongue, it drives you crazy that you can't come up with the name and you won't do another thing until you come up with the name? Now I lost my train of thought, what we talking about here? GMG!

ANOTHER READERS DIGEST LARGE PRINT EDITON: Such subtle sarcasm, foutsrouts! LOL! I agree with your point, though. Sometimes I feel some of our Mean Green elect want to play Robin Hood with schools (traditionally & perceptively below us) who really need to go through the same baptism of fire we've gone through post-Hayden Fry; that would be about 32 years now with a cast of thousands who have come & gone through Denton, Texas, America. It was almost like a Barnum & Baily pre-circus parade when you look back 30 plus years. Can some of us try to remember all those all but now faceless names who "honest to goodness" could not hold Fry's jock strap in coaching and leadership? I will cease on that subject now. It seems to have always stirred things up in the past }:>) A new stadium can catapult us to better days, but its still who you hire (from the top to the bottom) that will make it or break it for the University of North Texas; at least, make it at the level befitting a school the size & scope of our alma mater. And hasn't it always been that way for schools that advance in the NCAA (or merely stay the same or even worse)? CUSA talk just never will die on this board and so be it but.............I can't believe how many seem to have forgotten all the documented ugliness that came from our "friends" over in University Park last time that subject came around in a serious vein concerning UNT as a CUSA possibility. Hellsbells! Their Prez' all but went out of his way to say he would prefer LaTech over us--a fellow Texas school to boot. Anyone think that attitude has changed over night on the Hilltop? And wouldn't we need SMU's official nod to even have a snow ball's chance? Yet when you have one school going out of their way & actively working to blackball anotherh school for conference membership it seems to me that our chances diminish dramatically. Now when that Day comes when the lamb lays down with the lion maybe all that with SMU will change then but when that Day comes, not sure anyone will be focussing on what conferences they'll be in. No matter what: GMG!

Pretty scary stuff, Jack. Is it JUCO time once again in MeanGreenLand? Hopefully, there are some yet to be named transfers waiting in the wing? What about the huge kid that is being hailed a a super sleeper in our group of new recruits. His name I will have to look up. Addendum: His name is Antonio Johnson, the 6'9" kid from Dibol who is cat quick according to recruiting gurus.

Michelobe Light in a stone-cold frosty mug at Fort Worth's Angelo's BBQ on White Settlement Road. (Ribs ain't too awfully bad, either). Of course it's like the old chubby comedian with the red nose once said: "Oh my little chickadee, I don't drink anymore---but I don't drink any less, either."

Who was it that said "if you can dream it you can do it?"

Totally 100% agree, Mean Green 93-98...but FWIW....isn't this how conference re-alignment talk gets started in the firs place around league conference tables? Didn't at some point the Big 10 Commish had to say to his constituency': "What if we added Nebraska to our league, fellow members?" Yet it's like GrayEagle posted a few days ago and I liberally paraphrase: "Not much else to do till 2-a-days but talk conference possibilities plus...its sorta' fun." GMG!

We of UNT don't need to be left in a MUT-less or Troy-less SBC. There are no sacred cows in the NCAA anymore, folks. TAMU was ready to leave their siamese twin brother UT and not even look back to a century of tradition as they did it. UNT needs to take on the same attitude albeit I know the situation or stakes are much different for us. The WAC with an eastern division of UNT, LaTech, UL (Laf.) and Ark. State is an interesting scenario and gets even more interesting when more on this forum start realizing that the Belt & its full membership are hardly in a circle singing kum-bah-yah as some think. Cold and calculating as many thought DeLoss Dodds of UT was in the most recent re-alignment, it might not hurt us at UNT if we took on "dammit', we are going to take care of us" attitude, too; especially if there is even a remote chance we can go up the NCAA food chain. What if UNT were in the WAC and it was us who made the rest of their league forget Boise State; that is, it was UNT that became a perennial Top 25 ranked football program that crashed the BCS bowl party? Wasn't that long ago when Boise State had a hard time beating the Mean Green and at least 2 times were unable to do so. Addendum: Being rewarded as a Bottom 25 team that represents a league as its champion is not what many would call progress. That (alone) should be impetus for UNT to better itself as far as what collegiate neighborhood we ultimately want to be in; that is, when as a Top 25 conference champion you are reward (dramatically) monetarily and moreso, rewarded with the kind of perception we all crave for our alma mater. If anyone has the answers to all this--will you let the rest of us know? }:>)

Amen, amen & amen, stebo! To borrow part of a phrase from the first President Bush, It's not a kinder and gentler world we live in in today's NCAA as far a major college football is concerned. Look how close Texas A&M came so very close to saying adios to UT-Austin to head to the SEC. TAMU regent Gene Stallings wanted that to happen and others on that board did to and I think still might (secretly) want to leave the shadows of UT-Austin. Don't rule that out for the future because things just don't stay the same in the NCAA of this millineum. A WAC as Steve has stated above would be an upgrade in my humble opinion. They do have BCS "busters" in their league and the SBC is decades from having such bragging rights now aren't we? FACT: UNT being a Texas-based school will never have a CUSA consideration because too many in that league will continue to grumble: "We don't want yet another Texas school a la the old Southwest Conference which made Frank Broyle's and Arkansas vault for the SEC (among other reasons he made for leaving a too heavy Texas schools based conference). Yes, CUSA is all our first choice, but lets not forget the politics that will continue to leave us on the outside looking in. (Hey Jack! I didn't even mention SMU in any of this--you proud of me)? LOL! IMHO, the WAC definitely needs more study & consideration; that is, if they are even considering UNT. Trust me, we bring much to their table that they would dearly love to have. ADDENDUM: And what if North Texas became the WAC's new Boise State, its newest Top 25 annual fixture and in general, its new flag bearer? Why not? Would that make the WAC a better league and make all league members ask: "Who is Boise State?" lol! At some point, we of UNT need to quit kicking dead horses but rather hop onto one that can take us to much greener pastures; that is, such pastures that would give us more realistic chances to be in a BCS bowl like other WAC schools have been doing of late. GMG! Visit my website at: www.soundworksdeejay.com (Take your motion sickness pills first, though). }:>)

Hello Harry! Long time no..........you get the drift. As a young guy I had the opportunity to see a UH "freshmen" basketball team with Elvin Hayes, Don Chaney, Theodus Lee, Ken Spain, etc, at the old Delmar Fieldhouse so I never had any temptation to ever call UH "Cougar High." Later got to see the aformentioned Guy Lewis-coached UH BB team in the Astrodome against a UCLA team coached by the late John Wooden. Many basketball scribes say that one game was the pioneering "national" TV game (albeit on cable) that would be the initial catalyst that would make college basketball the TV network bonanza that it has become the last several decades. There is no DJ gig, weddding or corporate event no matter how much it pays that will keep this Mean Greener away from the grand opening of our new football palace in Denton. In 1975 the Mean Green beat both a Tennessee Volunteer football team that went 6 & 5 and would have been a bowl team in today's NCAA and we also beat U of Houston (the year before they entered and won the Southwest Conference its first year) so who is to say history cannot repeat itself in 2011 even at North Texas in spite of our recent record? That is why they play the game, right? GMG!

As I said it was, "years ago" on the TV ratings things. Also, from Mean Green teams that were winnning more than they were losing. Years ago I say? That is, before our alma mater started its multi-decades quest of doing its best to go back to the womb football-wise and with staffers who fell over themselves trying to do everything "opposite the way Hayden Fry did it in Denton"; rather than what many of us preferred our alma mater do and that would be making giant steps forward like, uh, Southern Miss, Fla. State (who almost dropped football in the early 70's), Louisville, Memphis, Tulsa, etc, etc, etc. All the aformentioned schools that UNT was at one time at the same level with & with some of them even using UNT as their model for more in the Believe It Or Not department of years past. (Check that part out, too, and some on this board know it for fact--in fact, ask Rick V what USM thought of UNT back in those days to bring it closer to home). Go figure why all the aforementioned schools & former conference-mates of ours chose the direction they chose and then...........the direction way too many UNT AD's chose (with a different shade of green coming from each) while many from that group were biding time in Denton waiting for their chance for the Big Time or to get back to the Big Time a la former UNT AD Steve Sloan. Yes, for many on this board, it's been a wild and crazy ride, but I really believe Rick V and Staff have this thing going in a good or best direction we can go at the level we co-exist, but at age 59, I would have preferred we would have progressed like all the other aforementioned schools who went "Beep-Beep" past us when in another era, we were (in deed) models for their scheduling of the Big Boys (which we were doing before most from our level during that era). Yet........it was our "beating" some of those Big Boy/Name Schools which made UNT some of our former conference-mates their models. NOTE: Being on DFW's TV Channel 21 in recent years with teams not doing well in the W/L column would tend to not get good ratings. No argument with that... GMG! PS: Thanks for the kind words, NT03. Feeling is mutual toward all I know on this board and that whether we agree or agree to disagree.! lol!

UNT has no pull. Yes we are in the DFW area ,but that doesn't mean we have DFW rating power. In Dallas it's UT,a&m,OU,Tech and that will not change. We don't even have a Denton fanbase much less a metroplex. You think a conference is drooling over UNT because of a dallas tv market ? Feel free to check out any of the ratings we did on our past games on channel 21. Man I can't wait for CLEMSON !!

This is insanity! Why is it so many times in the world of the NCAA people just always want to be where they ain't? (The MWC or CUSA would still be nice, though, now wouldn't it)? PS: Hello fellow North Texas Exes & Mean Greeners! DJ business is going fine. Even in this economy weddings seem to still be happening full throttle & that is 80% of our business). Have a minute? Take a dose of dramamine (if you get motion sickness from probably way too many animated gifs) & visit us at www.soundworksdeejay.com (BTW, the new stadium is looking fabulous). GMG!

Conference re-alignments are much like all the wives who just keep having to move the furniture around to get that "new" look. Same funiture--new look? And thanks, Eagle1855, for the oil derrick symbol of the Oilers for those of us who grew up in the Houston area with many of us remembering names like those listed below: George Blanda Charlie Hennigan Charlie Tolar Scott Appleton Ken Houston (got lucky and was traded to the Redskins--way to go, Bud Adams) Don Trull (short career) Lawrence Elkins (even shorter career) Bob Talamini Pete Beathard Willie Parker Elvin Beathea Sid Blanks Charlie Frazier Willard Deuvall Pat Holmes Hoyle Granger Ernie Ladd (very brief career with Oilers) ...and way too many more names I've forgotten at the moment

Huff, do I owe you a lunch at Weatherford's famous Mesquite Grill on a bet years ago or something? LOL! (Lets have lunch soon, eh? Hope your family is doing well). GMG! PS: And I have been going to my Brevity Anonymous meetings regularly yall will all be proud to know.

perryfrog, the venture in the following web address dominates most my Saturdays now--please visit>>>>>: www.soundworksdeejay.com Weddings are 80% of my DJ business (as I want them to be since they pay the most) and between weddings (which can be half day/half night events), school events, reunions, Sweet 16's (which I had one of those into yesterday till 1:00 AM if you can believe those kind of hours for a Sweet 16 birthday party) and corporate events have been nice, too; anyway, between all those various events I have been fortunate to stay busy. Congrats on the Horned Frogs great season, perryfrog! Hope they can still get one of the big bowl games because they for darn sure deserve it-wish they could have played the Longhorns this Fall, eh? Many sport scribes think TCU would win that game. And thanks fo the kind words, eulesseagle. perryfrog, I have my Mean Green network of friends & fellow alums who keep me posted and I was quite proud of all that I heard about yesterday in Denton (although we took snatched a loss from the jaws of victory (or however that saying goes) yesterday as we seemed to have done in about 5 other games this season. I guess all the close games this season in Mean Green Country are building, uh, character for the team in green, perryfrog? I saw a video clip of the game and the crowd at Fouts Field on a dismal, misty gray day & a 2 win season simply looked GREAT! ALSO...........heard the turnout for the groundbreaking ceremony was simply (as they say) one for the books. I defer to the words below:

First of all, let me suggests how many of our approximate 7 million citizens in the 6 county North Texas Metroplex could care about who our future Homecoming King or Queen (who may one day actually be a real queen) will be. How about as many of them that really even give a rats' butt about SMU? This "queen talk" is already yesterdays news in our cable news network era if the Cowboy people said anything about it at all Sunday as you say they did and speaking of the Cowboy golden throats: Why would they even start suddenly talking about UNT since they still call us North Texas "you know what" as it is? They would have dared not mention during the recent Cowboys/Chiefs throwback era game our former UNT great Abner Haynes, ie, now a Texas Sports Hall of Famer and KC Chiefs Hall of Honor player who used to wear our green and white and burn-em' up at Fouts Field in the mid-1950's--now would they? The Cowboys are still all about the Cowboys and they don't want to share anything (least of all positive mention) with the 3 colleges who play football in DFW. (The Cowboys all but killed SMU football to what it could have been as a college football program in a city the size of Dallas and many of you old timers who where around here when they entered the NFL may agree with that). Lest We Forget: Seems most on this board thought our Def. Coord. when re-hired would whip our "D" back into the glory days of the early SBC so I say lets simply give him some more time to do such but in all fairness to him...........lets do that with emphasis on getting him some key JUCO defensive talent this winter who can make a difference next Fall and we've seen those at UNT who could make such an impact now haven't we? I'd think most would agree that TDodge is all about offense the way most ex UT Longhorn QB's who became head football coaches in college, high school or wherever might just turn out and I don't think many are complaining about our offense most of the time, right? How many games would we have won even this year had our defense merely caught up to our offense at some point in the season and on a consistent basis--like in every game our offense scored more than enough points to win most any SBC game and some OOC games as well? Todd Dodge seems to be more than adequate in getting us offense talent so lets give him (and his coaches) his 3'rd full recruiting season to get defensive talent and perhaps in due time and to put it in a biblical sense---the twain shall meet? And when both our offense and defense show up every game so will the kind of wins we would have had if both had showed up more times this season. We have given other coaches at UNT up to Year 5 to break .500 in wins/losses and in that era we were in a new conference with a bunch of 1-AA schools that only recently had just made the move up or were in the midst of making the jump to a level of college football where UNT had already been so I don't see why we wouldn't give this coach similar time in a much stronger & viable Sun Belt Conference, ie, a still new'ish football conference that we all were witnessing pass us by many many moons before Todd Dodge took our Mean Green HFC's job. Talent + consistently disciplined season after season football players will soon equal more wins against some good schools in due time and this topic on Nov. 16, 2009, will have been such a moot point. In fact, who the hell started this thread in the first place? Whoops! I forgot! BEAT ARMY!

Hello all! DJ business is going well except for weekend schedule but that is the nature of the beast. If you have time please visit us at: www.soundworksdeejay.com I know we are all frustrated this season but we've been here before now haven't we? I do keep up with all of our concerns thru the MGRN so I haven't lost complete touch with everything. I know we did this last winter, but even more strategic JUCO recruiting this winter and with our offense it is easily conceivable we go over .500 in Dodge's 4'th season and in the SBC that could mean close to getting a bowl berth since attrition from other teams may helps us even more. This Winter will actually only be TD's 3'rd "full" recruiting season & we have not forgotten how empty the cupboard was when he signed on as our coach in late December; that is as recruiting was pretty well all sewed up here in the Southwest. Anyhow, peace to all & I defer to our battlecry below:

Most of us through the years have made such a deal over our "NOT" being called NorTxSt that I'm sure it just had to be someone from SMU that called the BSU sports information folks and told them to SPREAD THE WORD about "NTSU" ! PS: Of course...I merely jest.

GREAT WIN, ALMA MATER! ALWAYS...Mean GREEN & PROUD OF IT! Many have said a coach needs to start making it happen by Year 4 so just perhaps we're ahead of schedule? Howdy Fellow alums & MG fans, my weekends stay pretty busy because of this venture www.soundworksdeejay.com--am trying to keep the NT/Army game weekend open, though: PlummMeanGreen

Jack, thanks for your kind words. I've never thought of you as our "Moses" (but more like Joshua) but in another religious vein (and coupled with the Bible Belt background most of us native Texans were reared) but............. I've been having these recurring dreams that the trump' (in deed) sounded from the the eastern sky (as prophesied) and the 2'nd Coming of Jesus Christ happened alright but it took place... ...the day before the Grand Opening of our new stadium! GMG! PS: Jack, my regards to your lovely wife Jessica and...when you have time visit us at: www.SoundWorksDeeJay.com

Hello GrayEagleOne and the Mean Green Nation! Ain't this exciting news for all those who came before us (of whom many of us knew), those in the present and then those who are to come (which is a major reason we need this stadium now)? I still stand amazed at those who don't think we need a new stadium based on recent W/L records. For that group many of us would tell them from decades of watching the Mean Green--"it's a cycle thing and we will win again." Couldn't be more excited that the same architects who did the Dallas Cowboys new $1 billion palace are the same ones doing ours. Anyone else wanna' bet they know what they are doing with UNT's new stadium-to-be? And congratulations to UNT powers-that-be who are pulling all this off during one of the worst times in U.S. economic history. That alone could be the biggest story of this whole new UNT football stadium thing truth be told.