PlummMeanGreen

TCU needs to doctor up their stadium however much they want to spend, put it on wheels then move it to a part of town that fits the socio-economic climate of their "seemedly" preferred demographics. Just another reason I like the cross the board diverisity of UNT and...our new stadium's most strategic loction. THERE! I SAID IT! (a Mark Levine quote)

Oh hellsbells! All we have to do is put some SMU'esque red colonial bricks surrounding all our new stadium's numerous pottie areas and todgerodge will have to recant & eat those words! And just how many SMU students showed at their game versus UNT students? And.....my daddy is better than your daddy and.......I know you are but who am I? Go Peruna! Eat Bad Tuna! Actually, to compare both the stadiums would be like comparing a 2006 Ford (smu) versus a brand spanking new 2011 Chevy (UNT)..........except ours will be a a tad more newer, have that sparkling effect, along with that new stadium smell, not shoe-boxed in a Dallas suburb but located on plenty of real estate with room to grow and..... at the juncture of Interstate 35E and Interstate 35W...........so.............you tell me who will have the upper hand because of all the aforementioned? Addendum: We will have future UNT recruit stories something like this: Hide! Watch & See! "Well, we were driving on the interstate going thru Denton and I couldn't help but see the Mean Green's football stadium so I asked dad to pull over so we could get an upclose look at that football palace and.......to make a long story short........here I am at UNT and on several All American check lists. ...............(Location, man, strategic location)! GMG!

Well, actually there was a time when we had "Freshmen Teams" in the NCAA and then our players played out their college careers the next 3 years on the varsity team. I cannot remember if there were redshirts in that era. If there were, I know there weren't medical redshirts for sure. (And yes, the players back then had face-masks on their helmets). GMG!

I agree with 99% of the above post. The 1% you have to guess for yourself. We really all sorta' need to move on and if we talk about UNT coaches, lets talk about those who finished above .500 in wins/losses with their career as Mean Green HFC, OK? (Now wait a minute, who would it be that we would be talking about then)?!? GMG!!

Thanks for this info, Cerebus! Yes in deed, "it is" football related. Anyone wanna' bet that a large majority of that humongous student support at the Rice game last Saturday were this year's new record-breaking freshmen class and last years freshmen class, better known as sophmores? The green shirts over on the student side was quite a site for all to see. GMG!

Can we take racist out of the American vocabulary because a very large majority of us are not and have no history of being such. It pisses me off how so few of those who are can get such major national TV coverage and with the mainstream media fanning those flames, too, so one of them can get a Pulitzer covering the stories many times they create & persevere themselves. GMG!

Jack, I've know you for well over 30 years now and your aforementioned league (had Boise stayed) would have been UNT's nirvana and yet another thing we agree on. And yes, many of us were pushing the idea of checking all that out with the WAC with an eastern coalition but we all immidiately ceased our prior interest in all that about the same day Boise announced it would be leaving the WAC. The La Tech situation will be most interesting to watch. Outside of Dwayne of Minden, they have some very stubborn people over there--almost too stubborn to function for the long term good of their athletic program. Yes, the SBC was a "throw together" league at one time, but now many of us have (or will have) new stadiums and one of these years we are going to advance one of our teams (hopefully us) to do what Boise State did. I don't know why so many of our elect don't think we can't do what our ex Big West sister school has done; that is, their BCS Bowl Busting successes! I pull for the BSU Broncos every game they play. No matter who our coach is, UNT must start winning the SBC but we need to do so as a Top 25 school--nothing else is acceptable because we saw what 4 NO Bowls and a dollar bill got us, now didn't we? And no, I am not detracting the positive worth of those bowl games at the time of our athletic history that they happened, either. GMG! PS: To the other above posters, I am duly impressed with all your musicology. Of course, we all did attend the University of North Texas, right? One of my UNT College of Music classes with icon Fessor' Floyd Graham was a most informative trip through the very beginnings of the music program at North Texas; after all, Fessor' had been on the UNT staff since 1928! I only wish I could have had a class with Maurice McAdow, our former Marching Band/Green Brigade director. I miss his original fanfare to our school song to be honest about it. I think ex Green Brigade director, ie, the late Robert A. Winslow took out that fanfare his first year at UNT--which was Fry's 2'nd year at UNT best I recollect. You Young Gun UNT Alums listen to us older f@rts every once in a while, we do have some UNT history & vignettes to impart on this forum from time to time. AND.....if you get real lucky, we will post some of those old "Norm Dad Jokes", too. GMG!

I would have loved a WAC with an eastern coalition of select schools had Boise State stayed but... .....the WAC funeral is one I'd really like to DJ. I've got some great classic funeral dirge selections I've just downloaded from I-Tunes. Wonder if the Singing Priests doing their Greatest Gregorian Chant Hits would fit the occasion, too? I suppose Karl Benson would be the most emotional at this gig for sure. RIP,WAC...(we hardly knew ya') GMG!

AMMENDED THIS POST ON 9/15/2010 Fair enough.. OK.........at the stage and development our football program was post late 1990's, ie, almost that of a poor wayfarin' stranger with no place to call home. And since the Big West went kaput (not Dickey's fault, either); anyhooooooooo...in light of the fact that the Sun Belt Conference would be our reluctant to many on this board home so therefore........... .............In Praise of Darrell Dickey Those NO Bowls were very, very, very positive things for our school even though our "in conference" competition was not of the highest caliber (and that also "NOT" Darrell Dickey's fault, either). He had nothing to do with what conference we would finally call home and if he'd had a choice, I would have wagered back then that he would have probably wanted a higher profile league (since he was a former Big 8 QB at Kansas State). The upside of those bowl games were the pricele$$ national publicity it gave our team and school. DD gets more credit for that, too. I would say there are people in New England & along the eastern seaboard who now know about North Texas because of those 4 New Orleans Bowl appearances. Albeit during those appearances UNT was not at least a Top 50 team (which was my main concern), but still it was one helluva' attention-getter for our team and our alma mater. At the time, I really thought DD would gain a higher profile job after that bowl run. The stars were just not aligned correctly or........the right grouping of schools simply had no HFC vacancies for that to have happened for DD during that time he could have improved himself professionally. I think his last few years at UNT were agonizing not just because he was receiving in his last 2 years what TDodge is getting now, but because he didn't get expected HFC job offers which I think became such a downer for him personally that that may have led to his health problems. (Medical experts say such things in a person's life can affect one's health--his cigarette smoking did not help, either, but I cannot say anything about that). YET........my main problem with that era and the situation which arose with Coach Dickey was...........we just did not take any of those 4 year-in-a-row bowl positives to the next level in a similar way former Big West Conference-mate Boise State (my forever model for UNT) had done after their numerous bowl appearances. Without a doubt, we all (from every era) love our alma mater and we all want her to succeed albeit we do have our hot sports opinions of how we can get her to the top! That (to me) is also a positive. Our country became the greatest in world history because of civilized civil servants screaming at each other until they got it right!

And at what level do you prefer we perform at UNT--even at the FBS level? I defer to my signature below. GMG!

How far out from where you live did the Titanic sink? And I saw your Anne Murray in concert at Six Flags Over Texas at the old Southern Palace in 1972. One of her musicians during that concert was a guy named Kenny Loggins. GMG! PS: Welcome to GoMeanGreen.com and speaking of 6 Flags Over Texas--this forum will be one of the wildest roller coaster rides of your life if you hang in here. Great thing is--we all want UNT to excel (albeit we have different ideas for her to do so). GMG!

I've said all along Todd Dodge will handle this better (job or no job) than most posters calling for his a$$. It is the entertainment business, but if this was about you, I'd bet you'd stop calling it so entertaining. Many of us called for DD's firing based on his cumulative record in 9 years, his last few years of less than stellar recruiting (sorry, TDodge) and other things going on of whose theme was extreme discipline problems and some of the damn'dest stories told me by a couple of UNT Campus Police which took place DD's last 2 years--mostly player related. So we've all played a part in this North Texas coach-a-thon thing and you're right--its just what happens on these college sports smack boards. Before I die I'd like to see UNT emulate something similar to what happened in my junior year of 1975. I sorta' wish Fry had never set expectations so high in the 70's because for most of my adult life since I graduated we've not come even close to it and Bottom 25 appearances in bowls didn't do it for most, either (as we all sorta' winked at each other knowing we were no where close to being a Boise State-type program or bowl participant). FRY! Fry! Fry Em'! FWIW...we've had so many Hayden Fry wanna'be's go thru the NT Athletic Dept. turnstiles that I finally stopped counting. The new stadium going up as I post has been a giant vitamin shot for this alum as I predict it will be for many others who gave this thing up a long, long time ago as we spent year after year on the Mean Green Athletics Program roller coaster. I think Rick V took a terrible job and has made it a good job for his part as AD, but his last true test will be when he has a successful Mean Green football coach with a Top 50 program under his watch--it wasn't the Buick, it may not be the Dodge, but we all want somebody to make it happen up there no matter whose name is on the face. GMG!

Did all our guys go to church the last 2 weeks? If all these injuries weren't so sad, it would be.......sad. Carry on, troops! "Tough times don't last--tough people do." (my late, sainted mother & Vince Lombardy, perhaps)? GMG!

I don't think the Texas Longhorns would say that the Rice Owls were so terrible. Dodge probably has to win the SBC to keep his job--the same scenario for DD in 2001. Lets just all be patient and see what happens. What the hell else do we have to do anyway? GMG!

And is the "7" win deal for real or just a GMG.com urban tale? BEAT ARMY!

Absolutely! We'd also get all of Pacino's syndicate friends on the Mean Green Bandwagon! And that could mean a re-tractable dome for our New Stadium @ The Mean Green Village. Of course, the means of how such funds would be raised for that would be as questionable as those which are being raised for a certain building at America's Sacred Place near Ground Zero. Bring it! GMG!

Who won the game? GMG!

Most new coaches get at least 4 years so they can win or lose with their recruits. Of course, you hire some coaches who git'er done their first year and we seem to can't find that at UNT save Fry's first year when he tied for the Missouri Valley Conference football title. Had their been a jillion bowls during the Fry era, we probably would have had 3 or 4 bowl teams--but I still think Coach Fry would have taken the Iowa/Big 10 job. It's just the nature of these guys to move up the NCAA totem pole and you can't blame them. GMG!

At my age (near 60) one begins to sound like a broken, uh, CD? I still defer to the SBC "2'nd season" which saved another UNT coach's job when he won that league's 1'st conference championship (with even 1 SBC loss vs. ULM) and the Mean Green then went to the Big Easy with a 5 & 6 season. You do not fire a coach who has taken his team to a bowl game--even in his 4'th year at 5 & 6 and FWIW...DD did not have his 1'st above .500 year until his 5'th year at UNT then his next 2 were over .500 with his last 2 well under .500. IMO, Coach Dodge (or any coach for that matter) deserves no less treatment if he pulls this thing off a la a similar scenario to our 2001 season. NOTE: Even if we lost at FAU, it is still mathmatically possible for UNT to win the SBC if other contenders are beating up on each other. Thats what sorta' happened in 2001. Come on, folks, give it a break until at least half way thru the SBC season and then if the situation is dire with Dodge's wins and losses, eat your heart out and go for it with these threads non-stop! GMG!

Again, we have no present opening for a HFC at North Texas and I know you are speculating but... ...if you're talking about Mike Leach, last I heard he still has a lawsuit pending toward the state of Texas (and I stand to be corrected on that) but IMO no Texas university with any degree of intellect would touch that situation the way it stands now, especially a public university in the Lone Star State. A school like UNT doesn't need to get on the wrong side of the Texas political scene, especially since we are trying for Tier 1 status? Coach Leach was said to be unhappy in Lubbock and was trying to get out of RedRaiderLand right before his teams had their sudden national (Top 10) success, then he gets into a bru-haha with his Tech Prez' and Board of Regents who had instructed him to follow certain procedure on the big mess he created with Craig James' (of Celina) son and Coach Leach refused to follow what his bosses did not ask him to do but told him to do, yada, yada, yada........... ......Leach's talent as an X's & O's coach are unquestioned, but his ability to obey the people who hired him is public knowledge so the question remains......does UNT take a huge gamble with that kind of hire? Maybe so--maybe not but I am almost certain that our *Holy Tribunal (which I fondly call our Prez, AD and Hired Gun Consultant, ie, Chuck Neinas with high regard and "no" sarcasm mean't at all); yet, I don't think they will be consulting with any of us for our opinions on Mike Leach or anyone if the time comes for us to hire another coach. I personally don't think they would touch Coach Mike with a 10 foot poll since their own judgement could eventually be questioned in hiring such a known maverick. * Actually, I will add that North Texas AD Rick Villarreal would be the main cog in the wheel of the tribunal in hiring a new coach, but I'm sure he would be asking the other 2 of their opinions on the matter as well. Rick V has some pretty good coaching contacts in the NCAA and his coupled with Consultant Chuck Neinas would probably come up with a pretty fair candidate but... ...if Todd Dodge and his team emulate our 2001 team and march thru the SBC and then a bowl invite to the Big Easy, all of this discussion become a rather moot point. That is why these "change the coach" kind of threads may want to be delayed until the SBC conference season is at least half over before. Many of us are still pulling for TDodge and his Mean Green football team to repeat the history of our 2001 season when there was a pretty, cool 12'th hour come-back. BEAT ARMY!

Kragthorpe had some very disparaging words about North Texas (on TV to boot) when asked if he'd be interested in our job before and old fart$ like me don't forget those kind of things when said about our alma mater. SUMG (if he reads this) may want to elaborate on Kragthorpe; then again, he may not want to elaborate on Kragthorpe. GMG!

So is staring now against the law? I was staring, too. I'll stop. GMG!

Lesson #1 O Ye On Your 2'nd or 3'rd Post on GMG.com (and welcome BTW): Don't fire anyone until they're fire-able. Dickey made one of the greatest coaches come-backs in NCAA history when in his own 4'th year (which was under .500) he delayed his own Waterloo. Now many of us on this board have different interrpretations of his 9 year stay at UNT and I will leave it at that but the lesson learned is at UNT one probably has to wait till the SBC conference season is complete and even going to a bowl game with an under .500 W/L sealed the contract extension deal with Coach Dickey in 2001 and (in fact) gave him what would be an additional 8 years in Denton. If a similar scenario happened with TDodge this Fall & he didn't get an extension that would create a very interesting quandary for our UNT powers that be. Back To Dickey: Yet word was among fellow Nestors at that time (pre-MUTS game) was that AD Rick V was ready to pull the trigger after that game had we lost. That game was the 6'th game in 2001 and after that win we were 1 & 5......the rest is history. FACT IS: If we have not lost too many starters the rest of the season........."IF" UNT plays offense of the quality they did at Clemson and our Mean Green defense continues to improve post-Rice game, they can win the Sun Belt Conference because (let's face some more facts here): The SBC hardly has anything close to a BCS Bowl-Buster type of a program at this juncture of our 10 year history. If we're still part of the SBC on its 20'th Anniversary I hope we don't have to say the same thing. Whichever UNT HFC we have 5 years from today I hope gets us out of this Bottom 25 quagmire we've been mostly a part of since we regained NCAA D1 criteria in 1994. Some of us still sorta' like former conference-mate Boise State to be our model in Denton. Why not after what we all saw last Monday night with the Broncos? GMG!

I did overlook "good people." My bad... GMG! Food For Thought: If Riley Dodge were your son, how would you want the crowd to respond to your son, ie, a Mean Green football player who has broken numerous bones trying to help his/our alma mater win football games to progress this program? When UT gave him a scholarship would you have told him to stay in Austin and not go to Denton, Texas, with the school that is located there not having a very stable past history for setting and maintaining an upwardly bound direction for its entire athletic program, specifically football? AND....at the time your son changed his mind to go to UNT there was nothing on the table about any semblance of a new football stadium? Would you as a dad sitting in the stands have been unsettled with boos the other night when Offensive Coord. Canales put him in the game at QB and called 2 plays in a row that went nowhere? Come on, folks, give this kid a break because he's breaking bones for our alma mater and he keeps coming back for more. So....just what if Riley Dodge were your son? I know the usual posters will be flip about that question to get a laugh at RD's expense, but what if he really were your son anyway?

So you've never read the SMU board when they've beaten us in the past? GMG! WIN THE SUN BELT--GO BOWLING FOR DOLLAR$!