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Prediction: After all these DFW sports media types visit our new Mean Green Stadium and get all the free horse ovaries, I mean, hors dourves, along with the free booze bar, they will all collectively change their minds about: The University of North Texas! PS: Little do they know how our very large UNT constituency (most of whom have radios) could help them in the quarterly DFW radio ratings wars, but lets let them figure that part out for themselves. I do enjoy listening to Greg'o Williams, though, and in the past he has been very nice conerning our alma mater. PS II: Hey 105.3 fellas', we are building what would have cost most schools a well over $100,000,00+ football stadium so we can take your advice and drop football??? (Gimmmee' a freakin' break--are they that clueless as to whats going on around them in DFW sports, especially in major college football stadium construction)?

Just sent you a response PM, Quoner. Get back anytime. GMG!

Oh, but he has according to one alum I spoke to. Try again, Quoner. GMG!

If No Todd Dodge In 2011='s Hiring of A Name Coach (may have to be one like Fry whose career we recycled but nevertheless we got further down the road with him than we would have another project, ie, assistant coach who EVERYBODY likes and wants to give a chance in Denton.......................uh, been there--done that haven't we? We have to avoid that temptation if Todd Dodge is not around after this season. Funny things happen in the NCAA and we all know that from DD's miracle of 2001 which most everyone admired. The stuff on DD from many on this board (including me) did not begin till many years later when we saw something was not going (or growing) right for whatever reason. Growing Right? Well, 4 bowls were not getting us the results that they would have in most "upwardly bound" NCAA outposts and that mean't no Big Time U job interviews for Dickey (unless you seriously count Idaho as one); no knock out recruiting classes following 4 bowls that did not materialize and then the Sun Belt itself; that is, our conference-mates just looked at us (chuckled a bit) and left us behind eating their dust. Hell, FAU even had the audacity to beat us during 2 of our bowl years but...... Time will tell this Fall if we're still eating SBC dust. If TDodge hits 7 and is around the next few seasons, who the heck knows, he could turn into the next Bear Bryant or.......be just another typical UNT coach with a whole bunch of years in Denton to really not take us to the next level but waller' in the lower depths of where we've most been most my young adult and middle aged life. NOTE: You Young Gun Alums do not want to go through all that another 25-30 years, right? Well, if you did, then you'd know how a bunch of us older turkeys feel now. The reason many on this board are still pulling for TDodge is as American as apple pie itselff--it's the old we like to pull for the under-dog thing. Many of us think he has a tough road ahead this Fall, but nonetheless, if he pulls it off then that means "OUR" team has been a success this year and I don't know of any of the TDodge-Dislikers who would object to that, right? GMG!

I plead the 5'th! BEAT THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA CAJUNS!

And I know these kind of comparisons are usually not worth a whole bunch but: FAU beats UAB then..........UAB almost beat Tennessee in a real donnybrook of a game.

So now its en vogue to retain coaches from a prior staff that had 2 losing seasons under a coach with a well under .500 W/L career? That would be the "North Texas" thing to do alright and maybe such thinking which has kept this program persevering as a longterm scavenger fish in the NCAA most of my adult life and prevented many of you from ever being around when UNT actually had any coach with an above .500 career W/L record. More of the "North Texas" thing? If TD were fired & then we hired "ANY" assistant from his staff. I think AD Rick V is on his way of breaking a whole bunch of negative cycles in Mean Green Country that have kept us barefoot n' pregnant (so to speak) as the school who coulda'--woulda'--shoulda'--but never, uh, did'a. Even Dodge upon hiring said "we need to get out of this North Texas has great potential thing" and actually make it happen. Well, we will all soon find out if North Texas still is that school with all that untapped potential. AND........it may very well be someone else may have to come in here and tap into all that potential if TDodge doesn't get the 7 wins. Granted, I really need to get out of these DD/TD discussions because (like friend GrayEagle posted) "...both had horrible coaching records and unless Dodge either wins seven or gets a conference championship with six wins I think that he should be gone" and I think that was basically what I posted on my above epistle albeit I was saying 6 wins and being the 2'nd SBC bowl participant might do it for this lone fan. Then I (once again) think about most of the Young Gun Alums on this board who have never been part of a MG football program that had any coach with an above .500 career W/L record and I have to consider that that is all they really have to talk about. Again........all that somewhat like the 2 defeated old Confederates veterans comparing their own respective experiences in the War Between the States when one said: "Hey! We didn't get our butts kicked nearly as bad at Vicksburg as you guys did at Gettysburg." GrayEagle I will take your hint: Next topic please because this thread has been beat to death (and I'll take my part of the blame for that)! GMG!

Thanks for that, wardly and........as a 'boomer kid, I hated erector sets many of us got at Christmas, but I enjoyed the hell out of those log cabin sets, although I could never get the green roofs to stay on mine. Now that I got that off my chest someone figger' this: FAU Beats UAB! Then UAB Almost Beat the Tennessee Vols' yesterday?

I'm not real good at math, but I don't think TD's quite had his 4 years yet? And did the previous coaching staff leave 1 coach behind to coach the ones mentioned and insure they made the All SBC team during the, uh, Dodge era, too? Interesting new coaching trend that would be. The moratorium on comparing our last 2 coaches has ended, quoner, did you miss that post? GMG!

Please Don' Shoot Me! (but rather just wing me) ...or just maybe a Big 10 school come's a callin' and hires our coach away? I'll that that any day of the year quite frankly. Boise State (who I am watching their replay on ESPNU now) has had 5 head football coaches in the space of 12 or so years (give/take). That is an amazing statistic considering the Broncos have not lost a beat or any momentum and have had 2 BCS bowls in that span of time, too. Todd Dodge? If he doesn't get his wins he's gone and he's not protesting it. He was tutored at the University of Texas so he is not naive' as to what is expected by alums and fans even in the upper echelon of NCAA college football--it don't get much higher than UT. YET........with the injuries this season, I think some on this forum might bend and say "6" wins but I think 7 will still be the bell cow. (Now if UNT goes to a bowl as the SBC's 2'nd bowl team with a 6 & 6 record--all bets are off since DD was 5 & 6 and went to the NO's Bowl in 2001--his 4'th under .500 season in a row. Most likely, 6 & 6 in the SBC won't land you a bowl, though. A Todd Dodge File of Sorts: (1) When hired in mid December of his hiring year all other FBS schools were wrapping up their early and Winter recruiting so that year at most FBS schools would be called a recruiting washout--although that is seldom acknowledged on this forum. A Winning Formula Here? 2 bad recruiting seasons before Dodge signed on with UNT and then his first recruiting season would probably be spent on getting ready for his 1'st full recruiting season--except it would be his Year 2 at UNT. Keep in mind, after his first full recruiting class in Year 2 UNT powers that be will very graciously give TDodge 2 more years (counting this season) to prove himself in spite of starting his UNT coaching career in a deep, deep, deep empty well. (2) Ask OldTimer how bad DD's last 2 recruiting classes were overall which hardly helped Dodge come in on a roll; that is, had his predessessor been hired away at Big Time U which mean't he would have left our Mean Green cupboard with talent--that would not to be the case in Denton. (3) Upon TDodge's hiring, he said almost from the git-go that "North Texas must get a new stadium" to even keep up with the SBC (that had gone "beep! beep!" past our football program. Remember that last night was our first win ever over FAU--even during 2 bowl years best I recollect and had they been in the SBC those 2 years--guess who would have gone to New Orleans? (Yet the day UNT hired Todd Dodge, there were no stadium blueprints on the table). Excuses for Todd Dodge? No, but maybe the realism of a new coach who literally came in here with his back against the wall from the git-go. Yes, TDodge made some bad hires early on and his early PR was not over-whelming inasmuch as he closed the doors on all his practice sessions not allowing alums and MG fans to watch the team. Chalk some things off as lack of HFC experience at an FBS level. TDodge has a tough row to hoe to keep his job in deed, but lets see what happens the rest of the way. Let's admire his efforts (he ain't trying to fail, folks); lets admire his team/our team and enjoy their successes when they have them; after all, save this Falls seniors, the rest of them will be back next year even if Coach Dodge is not. If we have to change coaches in Denton after this November, I think our AD will go a completely different route not seen around these part since December, 1972, when an ex "name" coach just fired from SMU became available. GMG!

In most of our speculation of coaches, many of us have tried to add "IF" we need a new coach. Coach Dodge knows what he has to do at UNT and will face up to that challenge like a man. After all, he has been successful at another level of football although he does not get much credit for that and even at Texas High School football's highest level to boot. I mean it wasn't like he had his success at a Class AA Texas HS program. Some of us were around in 2001 to see one of the great coaching come-back stories in the NCAA--it was stuff that happened years later that turned many of us south on our coach back in that day, but that comeback was quite a thing to see happen at any level; and the Mean Green players of that season were the vehicle that made it happen. I hope history will repeat itself for all of us, but it it doesn't......I know TDodge and UNT will part as friends from what we've seen of this man thus far. GMG!

Yeah, it'll be my luck as we cross that highway to our promised land, E01, that I'll take one last look back and be turned into a gosh' darned pillar of salt. I guess that would beat, uh, pepper? GMG!

We luv' ya... The Big "O" ! ! ! (meaner than a junkyard dog, too, babeeee). GMG!

DK, I think its been 30 plus years but that's OK, 20 makes us both seem younger. Brevity? A complete stranger to me in anything I've ever typed (or keyboarded). I am working on it, though, and have even joined a support group to help me deal with things that makes life more difficult. GMG!

How do we matchup with our next 3 home games for you close to the X's and O's. Many of us would be interested. Injuries for each of our next 3 opponents? Any key injuries for them, too? Can we beat FIU at home? They are pretty salty this year--ask the TAMU Aggies. GMG!

When our Mean Green football program one day (in the next 2-3 years?) becomes a Top 50 program, I will get my lime green speedo out of moth balls, squeeze my tubby torso into it and run wildy down Eagle Drive like a wild man flailing my hands with the "correct version" of the eagle claw! I defer to my signature below--especially the part about Boise State. UNT will soon have the right vehicle in which to make it happen. Hide! Watch! See! GMG!

Finally...........our new stadium has a name! And maybe UH leaves it all on their home turf before they help us debut our new stadium, ie, Mean Green Stadium. GMG!

Miracle of Miracles! We Finally Beat FAU & Coach Schnelly'! GMG!

Maybe even a 7:00 PM kick-off which may mean it will be on regional TV? Per our Rice game at Fouts it is still a bit warm'ish & humid at 6:00 PM in early September. For this game most are not going to complain whenever the kick-off would be. I still like UH as the marquee opponent because where UNT is now what marquee opponent is not going to be favored? And why would we get a lesser name school and worry about getting beat by them in our new stadium debut? GMG!

So it's the Sun Belt over the Rust Belt, eh? I know everyone in the FBS is looking for new neighbors but lateral moves or even moves downward don't make too much sense or cents; and especially going...............N-O-R-T-H ? ? ? ...Virgil Caine is the name and I rode on the Danville train... (Joan Baez) GMG!

If one would think about it, we don't really need Dallas or Fort Worth to do what we need to do in Mean Green Country but.......it would be quite nice to have some of our 100,000 plus NT Exes who reside in Greater Dallas and Greater Fort Worth involved in this new venture beginnning next Fall. I think this new stadium is going to pull many back who long ago gave up with UNT athletics and we will pick up some who may have never even attended games if they lived on or near campus. This football stadium is a life long dream for past generations of North Texas alums and Mean Greeners. Many of us knew so many who did not live long enough to see what they, too, had dreamed about as far as this new stadium is concerned. GMG!

Thy will be done...(but a few "W's" now and then)? GMG!

OU seems to be a catch-all for displaced DFW radio/TV media outcasts who for some reason don't want to support their own Texas-based alma maters. I mean come on already it's like OU needs any Texan to be a Sooner fan? 100 lashes with a wet noodle to those DFW media types who are guilty and public floggings will continue till morale picks up. GMG!

They also came to Mean Green Country back in 1994 when we were re-gaining NCAA D1-A criteria. They set up under one of those huge Big Top tents AD Helwig and gang had set up every home game. For those who missed that season, it was quite inspirational to see the Mean Green family do what we had to do to take care of business; that is, getting the necessary attendance to regain D1-A. (That was also G. Dunham's famous "See ya' later McNeese State" football season. Rain did not keep around 20,000 UNT fans from getting into Fouts for that game, either. The umbrellas were quite a colorful thing--in fact, that might have been the last game umbrellas were allowed inside the stadium. BUT........SMU flagship or not, for (I think it was) $5,000 they would set up in a brothel. GMG! Corby's a little squirt--just say BOO! real loud to his face and he would simmer down. He already knows Mean Green Country inhabitants are not too fond of him.