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If Neinas recommended Canales and our Prez' and AD second that emotion, then I say go for it. Yet in light of all our injuries, are we taking a verse out of that old favorite "The Impossible Dream" here? Granted, we want our team to win every time they tee it up, but for the reason Todd Dodge could not win this year after having come so close to being over .500 last year (but instead having all those 4'th quarter meltdowns); anyway, we might be needing Oral Roberts to come out of the heaven's above, come to MG country and pull off some serious healing. We have some players worse off than many of those Oral used to say he played a part in healing. Can this team beat Troy, MUTS, Kansas State, etc, etc? If we can, we may have wasted our monies on Neinas. I think beating such teams with our team still largely in the MASH unit is asking way too much of Coach Canales, quite frankly, and would be what I would call a most unfair "tease" if we have in deed told him if he can run most of whats left of the table for this season he could have our job. That would not be fair to him and would be an insult in my mind's eyes. I don't think anyone on staff at UNT would insult him by saying such; of course, there is nothing that could prevent them from thinking it' that is, offering him the job if he does pull off the miracle. The guy has obvious talents, but sometimes (as we all know) UNT has not been the best labatory for many to develop those talents throught the decades and that a big reason I think we need a tested, tried and proven name HFC who has had some semblance of NCAA FBS success at one time or another. Fair enough? GMG!

SGF is a San Diego State alum and is on the outside looking in at our situation, just like Chuck Neinas has been rehired to do in recommending for us the best deal. Sometimes those of us with emotional attachments to our alma mater cannot see the trees for the forest and need outsiders to give an opinion or 2. I never dreamed Todd Dodge would fail at UNT, but he did and so we all move on. But we cannot afford another hire that becomes a 5 year plan kind of program. To quote another alum known by many of you, too, "some of us older farts are running out of 5 years plans." My "so called" infatuation with Coach Fran is if he's hired he would bring his Blinn JUCO HFC son along for the ride. Sorta' far-fetched and greedy sounding, isn't it? Coach Fran might not want to hire his son and bring that kind of pressure on both of them. Boring football? We had it another time but if it wins more than it loses over the space of several years then let us all fall asleep out of boredom together. We can always look forward to the occassional trick play, ie, the forward pass? GMG!

60? I turn 60 in about 4 weeks. I walk softly......and you who know me know that when I'm wrong I will admit it, but in my heart I know I'm right this time about ? ? ? ? ? ? Now let me go do some research so I can see what I'm right about.

Do we have a little college smack board nepotism a-goin' on here? It is so much easier to be objective in these discussions when you don't have a drinking buddy or those you've met and understandably like are being discussed for such an important hire as this one is. Would anyone pooh-pooh a relative if said relative were applying for a job? UNT90, what is the over-under with yours or my posts getting the most anonymously clicked red numbers? To quote Greggo' Williams of "The Fan"..........I've got a 20 dollar bill! GMG!

And Don that is a major concern for Fran coming from that great school, ie, Unemployed U and that very well could be a deal-killer for both Fran and Bowers (whose been out a few years, too)? I think Neinas has his work cut out for himself on this one. If we get a name hire, though, I think we can expect a few blemishes which may be the reason UNT would get such a hire? This whole thing is a crap shoot because none of us are modern day "prophets", but we sure need to hire someone (maybe with name value or maybe not) who can help with that other "profit" factor next year in the new stadium and then beyond. Of course, a whole bunch of wins will go a long ways toward that, too. GMG!

Judge Joe, I'll be up in 1 hour to buy another new bike from you! Fact is, you've been around to see the impact of a name coach and so have I. (Why aren't we doing a better job of selling the "name" concept, though)? GMG!

I do think Canales has excelled in getting a hardy handful on GMG.com to promote himself for our HFC job on this board. Yet.........if he is so naive' enough to think North Texas is going to hire anyone from a 1 win team, then how can we truly be confident about his own cognitive and reasoning abilities of what makes sense and what does not make sense in the world of H.R. and who you hire with said situation at hand? Does he (like some in Washington DC) not think we are smart enough to see through some of this? His hire would negate any impact that new stadium could ever have next Fall. Is that not easy to see? (I think some of you are truly playing Court Jestor and are jesting with this entire Canales for HFC talk, right)? If so, we have all laughed, but it is time to move on to more serious candidates that we hired Neinas to check out. And you say win.........immediately? We have not won immediately for how long now? Yet..........win immediately? Again...last time we had a name coach who came to Denton and took over a team that had won 1 game the year before, he turned that group of scrubs into a conference co-champion. Many back then said it was the excitement of having a "name coach" with D1 experience that energized a group of Mean Green football players who showed they had nothing the year before. Do you think you get this with someone from a losing staff? (Dr. Phil, we may need you very soon). Move on, folks, (again) UNT is not extending Chuck Neinas' services and throwing away money to hire anyone from Denton who is coaching on a team which will most likely only win 1 game. Doesnt take a Phi Beta Kappa to figure some of this stuff out. Fact is, who Neinas could recommend to our Prez' and A.D. may have yet to even be mentioned at all on www.GoMeanGreen.com GMG!

And we know what that amount is? Another alum told me Coach Fran applied at 2 other jobs in the western USA that were going to pay around (I think he said) $400K to $500K and Coach Fran was still interested; albeit he did not get either job. As I posted in a thread last week, if Coach Fran can come along with his Brenham JUCO HFC son, then we have won the daily double at North Texas. Remains to be seen if either parties are truly interested in the other, though. As the other fellow alum said just last night: "Coach Fran at his age may be ready to plant his roots for awhile." Coach Fran wanted our job before when he was at TSU (SM). But... in keeping with our on-going record of superb HFC hires at UNT, we hired Dennis Parker instead. GMG!

To Chuck Neinas: Mr. Neinas, you have been retained as consultant (and I'm sure will be paid nicely) for this latest new HFC's search in Denton and you are around now so we don't do what we are so strangely and strongly compelled to do in Denton and this is hire the wrong man at a very crucial time in our Mean Green football history; I mean, new stadium and all. If you recommend hiring someone from a staff who has 1 win (which you won't) then I say you didn't do your job. Were you really that impressed with the play calling in the Rice game? (Rice has 2 wins now)? Among other play calling, I saw Riley Dodge get the same play called 2 x's in a row with the same results--no gain. Some around me were saying "and that is who these people are so excited about calling our plays?" So I ask the question again? Were you really so impressed when we had all our players before the MASH unit moved in? I was not impressed to the extent that we gamble (once again) on a project hire of which we have really never done anything of national significance if that is truly what I hope most want in Mean Green Country. If not......then haven't we just thrown $80,000,000 down the drain to continue to be Bottom 25 average with a football program that apparently still thinks like one that is going to be at Fouts Field for the next 30 years? The DRC sports columnist needed many more years in Denton to really understand the full spectrum of our situation at UNT. His columns and their themes from time to time seem to prove it, too. GMG!

If I were a car salesman I would want customers who always buy the first car they look at. (amazing) GMG!

Coach Blakeley was good friends with New York Yankee great, ie, the late, great Mickey Mantle. Most of you would know Mickey worked in Dallas most his adult life and during the off season, too. Coach Blakelely had "the Mick" come up to Denton for some program that took place in the large room in the SuperPit basement. I attended it because I always liked Coach Blakely (never missed a home game coached by him as I lived in Denton those years) but I was a Micky Mantle fan from early consciousness of anything on this earth even at age 5. I had seen Mickey Mantle hit the first home run at the grand opening game of the Houston Astrodome on April 9, 1965, in an exhibition game with the Astros. So while at the SuperPit get-together.........I go up to "Mr. Mantle" which as a southern or Texas raised boy is how you always addressed your elders; then he reached out to shake my hand. I told him I was at that first ever game in the 'Dome seeing him hit the first home run and he grinned that special Mickey grin as I'm sure he quickly reminisced. The times I spoke with Coach Blakely he was a most kind Christian man off the court, but he could become a most entertaining devlish' sort of guy once he took his coat off. God bless, Coach B and do rest in peace.

Yes, yes, yes...Git' er done with this new league whick looks like the rest of the FBS and then we catapult ourselves up to Conference USA and with warp speed! Beam us up, CUSA commish'! GMG!

Buzz? I like that word. GMG! PS: Mark, am I going to have to load you down with more pizza maybe some beer, too, and then get you a tad inebriated to change your philosophy on a few things? LOL!

shaft, we just have a hardy handful (and numerically that would be what it would be,ie, a hardy handful) who are in lockstep with "their favorite UNT assistant football coach" to push forward this go around. We have this each time we are going to hire a coach. The Canales choice is probably as absurd as my own personal favorite, ie, Coach Fran yet on the complete other end of the 180 degree spectrum. I don't think he would be interested in our job, but one can still hope, right? I STILL REPEAT: UNT did not rehire Chuck Neinas and pay the money they will pay him to go out and find a new UNT HFC who is already on Todd Dodge's staff. Is that so difficult a concept to understand? Canales would probably be a good choice (albeit another project hire at UNT and largely an unknown commodity since he's never been HFC at the FBS level) in any other era when Fouts Field would still be our stadium and it would make whoever we hired a non-matter since the stadium would keep us "bareful and pregnant" with a hopeless futue..... ..........but this is not the case because of what is happening in a most grandiose way between those 2 Texas interstates. Come on people, quit receommending those who might say "hello" to you, go out and have a drink with you or just be another good ol' boy but think about the future of our school's football program as it will be attempting to market the hell out of next football season to the maximum in light of the debut of our new football stadium. Of course, this board so very much promoted getting our present Def. Coord. back on board which happened (but not because of this board), but what happened to all his luster as to why he is not being pushed as the next UNT HFC? He's been an assistant coach favorite on GMG.com much longer than Canales. Anyone? (And no, he would not be the answer this go around, either). Look beyond Denton, Texas, folks, because who we need is presently not a citizen of "Do It In Denton" or "the Top of the Golden Triange" and all those other Chamber of Commerce bumper sticker catch phrases so cleverly made up decades ago to promote the town that has 2 major universities. Moral of Story: "NO" school promotes "ANY" assistant coach from a losing staff unless they've lost their ever-lovin' freakin' mind due to a stroke or general lack of oxygen in the cognitive or thinking with reason areas of their brains. (If only you of this hardy handful gang had been a student walking around on campus in the Fall of 1975 and you listened to your school getting national kudos and raves from Keith Jackson on ABC TV bragging about "that Hayden Fry" at North Texas beating Tennessee, you, too, would be thinking way, way, way outside Denton county line and well beyond our present football staff for our next hire. Has there ever been any school in the NCAA to hire an assistant from a program that had 1 win? Do we want to be true, bonafide trailblazers and be the first to do that, too? Yes, and even winning a couple more in the Sun Belt this season is not going to sell out luxury suites or create record season ticket sales in 2011 with what the rest of the Mean Green community "outside this forum" would perceive as "just more of the same of what we always get" if they hired anyone from Todd Dodge's present staff. In our case, familiarity would be breeding a ver dangerous gamble that we just don't need to make this time around. (I think Canales would be a good consideration or addition to a new staff, though, but just not to be the main guy at this time). GMG!

If we hire a new name coach and he retains Canales and then said name HFC leaves Denton for greener pastures eventually (which strangely enought we should all hope happens because of what that usually means he would have left behind in Denton), then we copy the Boise model and reward our next HFC's job with someone like a Canales who at that time would be ready to take over in a stadium that may need to be expanded after 5-7 years because of the results from our name HFC. (Shall I repeat all that one more time)? Of course, the same thing could happen with the young Coach Fran taking over from Papi Fran after he has paid his dues and spent some years in Denton taking us places that I'd bet Boise and TCU fans 10 years ago never thought they would ever see. Norm Hitzges said a couple of week ago on his radio show: "Why not North Texas being a Boise?" I think many of us agree with stormin' Norman and he is usually not one to throw out those kind of statements unless he thinks it could become reality. GMG!

And so North Texas is going to further pay consultant Chuck Neinas to hire someone already on our coaching staff? Think that one out, folks, and then truly expect Neinas to go outside Denton and Denton County to find our next HFC he will recommend to our Prez' and AD. Calling earth! Calling earth! Calling earth! North Texas alums once again doing what we (and I do mean "we") don't do well at all............ie, recommending the hiring of head football coaches that will mesh with an FBS college football program and make a difference much different that what we've had of late with our hires--like the last 3 plus decades of such hires? This is no time for another project or gamble hire. HINT: Any other year Canales really might fit the bill and fit our usual "project" HFC's hire, but that huge stadium needs a name coach to fan the flames for a very successful and "knock out" marketing program which includes selling out the rest of the luxury suites, record season ticket sales and record day of game walk up sales. I honestly hope our new name HFC will retain Canales as offensive coordinator and who knows, recruiting coordinator, too, since that seems to also be his nitch, but for the life of me, he just does not meet the other very, very important criteria much needed for this particular hire at this most unique time in our school's football history. After all, it will probably be another 60 plus years before UNT opens another new football stadium. GMG!

Humor is still many times the best medicine...Funny, Ibleedgreen. GMG!

Firstly, the thing Canales should do would be to become Chuck Neinas' new best friend. Some might want to step back from all this "who do we hire" chatter and sincerely ask themselves: How high would Canales actually show on Neinas' radar of coaches with a legitimate chance of becoming UNT's new Head Football Coach; especially in light of our opening a new football stadium which many on this board have expressed numerous times needs an attention-getting name coach for this new stadium to make its most maximum impact for marketing and ticket sales for the 2011 football season which has (for all practical purposes) already begun. Secondly: The thing a hardy handful of loyalists might also want to consider is to not get too emotionally involved with UNT coaches since that could influence one's opinion and/or bias and then (subsequently) hiring "good ol boys" which could create for UNT another 30 plus years of a (non-nationally recognized) college football program that has the roar of a.......kitty cat. I'd almost bet that Neinas has few of the coaches many of us have listed on this forum on his list; maybe even those who have received many votes on GMG.com polls, too. I like Coach Fran but I don't know if Coach Fran is the Man with a Mean Green Plan, but I'd bet Nenias would know with all his connections if we should pursue him. Smart move for UNT powers that be to delegate much of this multi-decade dilemma of "who the hell do we hire this time around as our next HFC" to Neinas. I applaud those who sealed the deal on Chuck Neinas making a return visit to UNT to help us make (probably) our most important hire in UNT's modern era of NCAA college football. We don't want to have a superb facility a la the SuperPit and then start having a whole string of terrible basketball coach hires post the late great Bill Blakely (rest in peace, coach) up to our present great hire of Coach JJ. There has been a great void in all those years between Blakely and Jones for certain. GMG!

Probably a smart move using Chuck Neinas. He seems to be all over the place in the NCAA, but I'd bet he would know things about many coaches out there unknown to most that could spoil the whole new stadium thing for us next year if we find out we picked someone with unseen warts/blemishes (when we hired him). Anyone from UNT Athletics can take a peek on this board to see how many prospective HFC's have already been listed by numerous posters. So....let Neinas recommend the our next HFC and if we screw it up again............BLAME CHUCKY BOY! GMG!

Of coursse I never have said that we fair well with the Big Boys--only those schools in the SBC those of us from the Fry era and before had mostly never heard of and probably still didn't till we were told they would be our new conference step-brothers and step-sisters by those no longer associated with North Texas. If you think about it, we have been told and sold many other bills of good in our athletic past from those who have not been able to go to the next level for themselves professionally and who today, could give a rat's arse about North Texas (although they made Big Decisions for us to live with most our lives). We are almost like America today when we have those who think for us and also those who don't think we are smart enough to know what we need & want for our own country of which many of our fore-fathers actually created once they got the hell out of England. Let's see how quickly that all changes and we can only hope it is a bloodless change, too, because we know that has not always been the case, either, starting with the War Between the States. EAT EM' UP! EAT EM' UP! I reckon that my main problem is I started out as a young guy following the University of Houston football and basketball programS and if my most prudent ex wife had never attended TWU I would probably still think that UNT was located in Denison, Texas. We have not done a whole lot at the level of college sports I really prefer post-1978 and I don't give a cat's meow how many little "anonymous" red numbers I get for saying that, either. I express myself for how I feel and know I rarely ever tickle ears on this board since that is not my goal for posting in the first place, but I really do wish Harry and Friends on GMG.com could let those who put those little green and red numbers on all posts show the monikers of those who so very bravely express themselves by doing that; of course, still in a most anonymous way. Found this link while surfing a few minutes ago and watching the Rangers with their 2/0 lead. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2007/09/ten-biggest-upsets-in-college-football.html

Your not one of those young guys trying to revisionist out one of our all time best wins in our history, now are you? Actually, we beat your alma mater when yall were ranked #20 in the AP and/or UPI poll during Hayden Fry's 2'nd year in Denton. Your coach(?) then almost kicked one of our visiting room water coolers over into the next county right after that game. BUT......yall tore us out a new one with the return game as I recall beating us quite handily. (Get your SDSU media guide out for more on that). BTW, thanks for your information. GMG!

Is Coach Dan the same guy who accepted the Baylor job many years ago and then turned it down the last minute? GMG!

And didn't David Barron have a prominent role with Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine at one time? GMG!

If North Texas with this new stadium opening next Fall cannot be top bidder among "any" of our Sun Belt brethran then this thing in Denton is further down the pike than I would ever want to believe. GMG!

Well, I should have said "fantastic exposure" from a FBS school's point of view. UT and A&M? Funny thing, but they were getting all the exposure down there in the 60's when I was a kid growing up in the Greater Houston area. Some things never change and that is just one of those things that will never change. It helped in more ways than one when a late 1870's Texas legislature put those 2 under the Permanent University Fund, and that's for damn $ure. GMG!