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The 2 most important criteria that will make the final decision on our new head football coach GMoney has listed on his #5. No one that I've seen in this thread has even mentioned the ticket selling impact of whoever we would hire so I guess they are expecting record numbers of new ticket buyers coming from what new wood work we didn't see the last 6 years of losing seasons with another college HFC unknown commodity many of us pushed for the job back then? UNT cannot afford to gamble this way again in our lifetimes no matter how many of us thought the last project would work including......yours truly. (If you've ever made a mistake in judgement, then you might know how some of us who pushed for Dodge might feel of late). Real Red Numbers Talk With This: Does an unknown hire whoever he would be negate the total & complete impact of what I think UNT powers want this new stadium to make in the next 12 months and beyond in the North Texas Metroplex as well as the entire Lone Star State? What would even potential corporate sponsors think of who we hire? Would they take us serious as an up and coming NCAA football program to contend worthy of having their name on our stadium if we hire a virutally unknown? In your heart of hearts, most of you know the answer to that question Spoke to a Horned Frog this morning who was sitting by his computer when I called and I asked him to read all this on GoMeanGreen.com where any NCAA FBS football program would even consider an assistant, ie, "any assistant" from a perennially losing football program and he only told me with a bit of sarcasm, "Now I understand why North Texas cannot get their football program off ground center. Then he said, "yall do that kind of hire then we know your new stadium coupled with an unknown coach won't compete for any players we want to recruit for another 4 or 5 years in the recruiting wars." The poll that Harry posted a few weeks ago says the concensus of this board prefers a name coach if you add up the total votes for all the name coaches together. Comparatively, a small percentage wanted yet another "project" or "unknown" coach that we have no idea how effective a recruiter he would be among college circles. But you have to be a multi-year reader of this board to understand how the Roman mob'esque effect for the push of (always) "one" particular UNT assistant coach takes over for a brief period of time. Hasn't there almost always been "one" UNT asssistant coach who the last few years will win the heart and souls of some on this board most of whom have never in their lifetimes as UNT students or alums seen (or played under) a UNT Head Football Coach with more career wins than losses? It was invevitable that another "chosen one" would be picked this time around after TDodge was released from his contract. So..........Who Will Be The Next "Chosen One" After Canales Because There Were Certainly Many Before Him. (1) Remember back in they day when this board crowned assistant coach Gary DeLoach as "their" next "best friend" project? (2) Oh yes! Remember when it was Kenny Evans who received the GMG.com version of the Papal Blessing from the usual hardy handful? (3) Spencer Leftwhich? Yes, in deedy, he had his own personal fan club on GMG.com who insisted that he get back to the Land of the Jolly Green Giant with the midget-sized dreams for any semblance of an upwardly bound football program except those big Sun Belt Conference wins of which some want to use now as criteria to hire our next 5 or 6 year "unknown commodity" of a HFC. Why do we always use the worst FBS conference in the USA as our barometer? No one else in the state of Texas of significance would use a Bottom 25 model for damn sure. Maybe thats why they never think of us when expansion talk comes around because they think we are joined at the hip with the Sun Belt Conference in mind, thought and athletic philosophy? It's almost like a family that has a history of alcoholism from past generations to generation. Yet........which generation will it be that breaks that ongoing cycle of a tremendously bad habit? Who will be the one who does the same for the future of North Texas football? We don't need another 5 or 6 years of an unknown commodity or do we like the misery so much? Are we scared of success beyond the SBC or something? If so, ask Boise and TCU how much fun they're having right now once they took the big plunge from what they had been doing before true upper level success came their way to get out of their own multi-year miserable co-assistance in NCAA football. GMG!

uh, Madeline Kahn, Blazing Saddles, right? CMJ, help us out here! GMG!

Yes, most likely a much needed break, too. BTW, what is your keyboarding words per minute speed up to of late? I am still sitting on 50 WPM with 2 boo-boo's and I can't seem to ever get past that. GMG!

Quoner, I'd recommend my pyschiatrist to you but let me have a few more sessions with her before I do that. Meanwhile...take deep breaths and exhale slowly. GMG!

Questions that our hiring authorities, ie, the holy tribunal need to answer to themselves. ...what kind of coach do we hire that can make an immediate recruiting impact even in his first recruiting season happening now as we all post? Fry's state-wide name ID got him in recruits homes that helped him get good talent right after we signed him to a contract in December, 1972. * And no, I am not recommending we re-hire Coach Fry since he is now in his early 80's. What kind of coach won't make a hill of beans worth of difference or a recruiting impact is the other side of the coin? Can we afford to have a bad class this winter that will affect us the next few years? Moreso, do we want to put a bad recruiting class together this Winter with a football program that has had 6 losing seasons in a row? Why did a deeper well than the one we're already in? In your heart of hearts, what kind of coach do we really need at North Texas the next 5 or so years on the eve of a new football stadium's debut that would be acceptable to the entire UNT community; not just those of us on GoMeanGreen.com? Might we of GMG.com maybe represent about .000001 of our present fan base? Beat Troy! GMG! PS: Fry's 3'rd season success at North Texas was what got him a Big 10 job 3 years later IMHO. Just too bad we didn't hire Fry's recommendation to take over from him. Might success have begat success even back then? Boise has shown us all what hiring a top assistant from a winning football program, a BCS bowl program and annually Top 25 ranked football program can do. Folks, we must start looking at the part of our football history where there was some semblance of national and even Top 20 ranked success. Is that so wrong a concept and do we really deserve less for our school and ourselves? GMG!

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W2, you would know this one since you are from (or used to be) from Dallas. GMG!

This is a strong rumor from Dallas coming from one who has been mostly right about UNT before. He is also a huge contributor. The Denton Record/Chronicle needs better sources than who they seem to have now on this subject.

Unknown-Untested-Project Hire To Open An $80,000,000 Football Palace That Needs Fans In It & All Luxury Suites Sold? Do you think an emotional pep rally post-game against the worst team in the NCAA is a deal-maker at the University of North Texas? Moses, move over, we may soon join you in your 40 year walk in the wilderness! GMG! Mark, this will get me my red numbers to go ahead of you.

The decision won't rest with a group in the athletic department of which some merely want to keep the Sun Belt status quo (and for some their very jobs), but look for the 3, ie, our holy tribunal (prez, ad, consultant) who will make the decision and I don't think they will be consulting with anyone employed within the UNT Athletic Dept. They will also not use a win over WKU as a major influencer of a decision for Canales or DeLoach--yes, why not our defensive coordinator since he had the right stuff to even come back to Denton. I do know talking with a couple of sources who give more than just significant monies to UNT, UNT needs to be extremely careful not to pick a coach who will split the UNT commnity of Big Donors straight down the middle. That group is expecting more than what UNT has dished out the last 30 years. Most of us peons will fall in line with most any hire, but we also don't influence those who could be or even recommend corporate donors for our new stadium, either. Good luck to our hiring holy tribunal of UNT, you definitly have your work cut out that will have most definite long term and far reaching results; so please don't let the emotion of any one fleeting moment influence such a decision. Our future in that new football palace is worth more than that. GMG!

Of course, with your definition of retread, College Football Hall of Famer Hayden Fry would have fit your defintion post-SMU firing, would have never gotten the UNT job and subsequently, the Iowa job which put him in the CFHOF. Fact is with ol' Hay-Boy was that UNT resurrected his career to make a Big 10 job even possible and that one of several reasons he loves our school and has been the one ex MG coach to come back to campus the most to visit us; but during his short 6 years stay in Denton he left an indelible impression with many of us on and beyond this board; much more than some who may have stayed for twice that amount of time, too. I just probably seem to go into Fry-Overkill more than others of my era. Fry was no Lombardy and he had his critics in and beyond Denton, but maybe his biggest contribution at UNT was he set the bar higher than it had ever been set much to the constirnation or chagrin to a few UNT campus power-brokers who did not fit in that kind of upwardly bound scenario and maybe feared they would get replaced because they were still part of the old "teacher's college" crowd? Quite frankly, as a tech school recruiter for 25 years if someone had told me I would suddenly start recruiting for an Ivy League school, I, too, would probably show a bit of concern for my future as a recruiter since that would have been way ahead of my talents or pay scale. SAM coach, I feel whoever the holy tribunal of our UNT Prez, our most proactive AD and consultant Chuck Neinas recommends to us as our next new HFC all of us will systematically fall in line as loyalist to the cause and support that hire never-minding all our respective hot sports opinions on our respective choices for this moment. I lean toward Coach Fran, but I may only want him if he can bring his son from Blinn JUCO down in Bohemian/Czech Country and, of course, Blue Bell Ice Cream contented cows. That might be asking a bit much for that scenario to happen, of course. Peace & out... GMG! PS: I'm catching up with my "the most red numbers" competitor on this board but fear this post won't help at all, but you can never tell.

Those who know me know I would be too shy to think I would be the voice of anything except.......me. I mean after all, Sam Coach, you have read my book........ "Humility and How I Attained It", right? OK..........seriously, never was it my intention, Sam Coach, to imply to you what you are suggesting I think of as my role here. I think I am one still small voice among many others quite frankly. Since I know this is a college smack board, though, I usually just loosen up and let er' rip with how I feel, but many of us have been around this program longer than Moses and we have truly seen the Good, the Bad and the F'ugly and that what many of us (understandably older alums) largely base most of our present opinions on things concerning UNT football. Sam Coach, we can only repeat bad history so many times in Denton till it starts hurting--with some of us that means one of the 'itis brothers starts flaring up its ugly head starting with arthur'. NOTE: Yet........can I tell you how many PM's I get from fellow alums who say "preach on' brother" or "keep holding their feet to the fire?" Well, that is still not my intention, either, but I, like you, have my opinions and merely think I know the direction UNT should go with all this because many of us have seen what has not worked in Denton and those very heavily outnumber the one time I saw 1 type of hire actually reap some very nice dividends; but in Denton that has been the road less traveled--in fact. a road hardly traveled at all in Mean Green Country. In the poll below is a pretty big example of what I go by when i say "many of us believe" that we need a certain direction to go with our HFC. We have had 30 plus years of project hires and not one of them got bigger or better jobs once they left Denton, so Sam Coach, isn't it time we try something that worked a long, long time ago that UNT powers that be during most of the last 30 years were (apparently) without the proper family jewels to try the "name coach" approach again at North Texas? A UNT assistant coach or 2 (why not DeLoach all you who supported him forever) should want this job at UNT. Some pretty big name coaches once all this gets sorted out are going to want it, too. I think I know of at least 2 present UNT assistant coaches who should get a good hearing with a name coach when we (most likely) hire one. The holy tribunal of our interim Prez, our AD and our Hire Gun Consultant will come up with one name and I really think the all out non-stop marketing of our new stadium to promote record season ticket sales and to sell the rest of the luxury suites will determine who that name will be. In fact, whoever our new HFC is will probably be asked to accompany AD Rick V and our other chief fundraisers to still help find that yet to be found corporate sponsor for our new football palace. So yes, we need not only a good x's and o's/great recruiter combo of a new head footall coach at UNT, but one who can do many other things he will be asked to do in conjuction with our brand spanking new $80,000,000 football palace, too. This will be a most unique hire in the history of Mean Green football and I still defer to the poll below as to the type of coach most posters on GMG.com still seem to want to start solving our long term football problems at UNT and hopefully all done on a national stage a la Boise or TCU. Again, this poll below sorta' shows where I come from when I say "most of us want this, that or the other" but in this case the poll somewhat indicates where many posters on www.GoMeanGreen.com feel about a "name coach" versus one that hasn't established his name as of yet. New North Texas Head Coach Poll As of Today....... posted by Harry Jeff Bower (15 votes [5.30%]) Percentage of vote: 5.30% Mike Leach (99 votes [34.98%]) Percentage of vote: 34.98% Dennis Franchione (42 votes [14.84%]) Percentage of vote: 14.84% Mike Canales (29 votes [10.25%]) Percentage of vote: 10.25% Kevin Wilson (5 votes [1.77%]) Percentage of vote: 1.77% Steve Kraigthorpe (3 votes [1.06%]) Percentage of vote: 1.06% Jay Norvell (3 votes [1.06%]) Percentage of vote: 1.06% Up and Coming Assistant (12 votes [4.24%]) Percentage of vote: 4.24% John L. Smith (3 votes [1.06%]) Percentage of vote: 1.06% Terry Bowden (16 votes [5.65%]) Percentage of vote: 5.65% Jim Leavitt (56 votes [19.79%]) Duly note this poll was posted on this post today, ie, October 31, 2010, and before any consortium had a chance to start stuffing the ballot box to skew the true desires of most of those who voted on this poll the last few weeks preceeding today.

Yes, I do believe I have a 30 plus year history of being a Mean Green fan. Are you with 3 posts a Mean Green fan? Are or you just another new propagandist on this board plugging your agenda? When you get close to a 1,000 post (give or take 500) I may then think you have some interest in the long term success of this football program. I was a student during what still remains to many of us the golden era of North Texas football when we had wins that brought us national attention and even a Top 20 ranking. We just didnt' have a conference that had a bowl back then. We also didn't have enough years of that kind of success to suit us who were around during that period of time, but once you've seen that kind of success not matter how short-lived, nothing like what we've had of late (about 30 years of it) will ever suffice. Is that negative? I know many posters on this board who would say it is not at all and that they, too, feel the same way. Is wanting positive results at a higher level than Bottom 25 being negative? Well? Actually, you sound like a liberal who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is negative. Well, look where that kind of national philosophy is headed by all us "negative" Americans and all that will begin this Tuesday at a voting center near you. GMG! Go USA! (Lets get back to the basics of capitalistic life)

At which point does beating a school that will most likely finish in last place in an already lightly regarded Sun Belt Conference become a solid win? I would just call it a win, myself and I know many on this board who feel just like me. These are the progressives I speak of who want more than Bottom 25 SBC football champions. Hell, most of them are not even on this board and if they are they rarely post but have PM'ed me how amused they were with all the "small time thinkers" we have as alums. I can only tell them that that is all they know because that is all they've had. Now give me red, I am catching up with the one I have a personal contest with to get the most red and a nice reward will go to the winner. GMG!

It is not hard to believe that our most times every year win over WKU would cause this groundwell of support from about 10 or so people on GMG.com, not couning all the extra new posters who were obviously asked "from certain quarters" to come on this board and hype a certain UNT assistant coach. Yet no matter how you slice it or spin it all this is still coming from a football program with a 6 year losing streak; also, an assistant that no matter how you spin him still has no "successful" FBS head football coaching experienc; and still has no record of where he's been in his past (even as an assistant) which caused a run on ticket sales from the masses or the selling of luxury suites. This is the formula North Texas powers that be know they have to meet to satisfy the masses (and for them to do some selling themselves). Passion? Don't most coaches (head football coaches and assistants) at the FBS level have passion? If they don't, they'd probably be selling insurance somewhere in the USA. We don't need a cheerleader, we need someone who has prior experience of success way beyond the Sun Belt Conference level. The SBC will not cut the mustard for most UNT alums--ask them what they hear in the DFW workplace about our membership in the SBC. We hear, "if North Texas could just get in another conference" but that subject is for another thread when we run out of other things to speculate about. North Texas officials will most likely defer to the the HFC recommendation of Chuck Neinas who we are (once again) paying a nice sum to give us that recommendation. I just don't think at least 2 of these 3 (Neinas, our Prez & AD) are thinking in terms of looking within the the Denton, Texas, City Limits to make our next hire and I think most on this board would concur with that and have with their posts. If we hire from within, then we need to get some of that consultant money back from Neinas IMO. (Still, if Coach C beats Kansas State--then Neinas can be taken off his job immediately and just pro-rate pay him IMHO) Still.......most on this board want a name coach and to quote Greggo' Williams of The Fan (again) "I've got twenty dollars" that still says that will happen once all this overnight hoopla of a win over lowly WKU dies down. The only head turner for Canales will not come from a weak 2010 Sun Belt Conference (hellsbells, ULM just beat Troy for heaven's sake) but if Coach Canales led the way in beating Kansas State then I'd say...........hire him on the spot-- but most of us on GMG.com are also realist about such things as that happening, too. (Remember, with a healty Mean Green football team we still got beat by Rice U at our place and are they still sitting on 2 wins this season)? Bottom Line Still Is: Rick V knows he needs to sell tickets to thousands of UNT alums who haven't been to games in years. (We still only had about 24,000 for our home season opener). Rick also knows he needs to make people think that his 2'nd HFC hire means North Texas is really serious about going up to the next level (which the new football stadium has already created that whether UNT wanted that added to its plate or not) plus...... ........Rick V needs a pretty strong stimulator of an interest maker among our masses (not just this board) to sell the remaining luxury suites, too. So with all this in mind, our AD has more to think about than just a couple more SBC wins and if he truly wants to turn this program over to an assistant coach from a perennially losing football staff because we would then become the first in the modern NCAA history to do that, too. Yet I think Rick V will still want to hire the "complete package kind of hire" for him to fulfill all his other needs as North Texas A.D. most of which surround the grand opening of the new Mean Green Stadium at the Mean Green Village. We on GMG.com have the easy part of all this because all we ever do is still just speculate. Villarreal's eventual job performance could be evaluated with a more scrutinizing eye if he hires the wrong person. This hire will have a large semblance of zero tolerance toward getting the wrong man again. I would guess Rick V is probably more in ling with thinking the one he does hire will prove to the general consensus of North Texas Exes/Mean Green fans that our school is truly serious about its football program as to go outside the box for a change and maybe even take Norm Hitzhges suggestion on DFW Metroplex radio: "Why not North Texas being the next Boise?" GMG!

UNT in my almost 50 years of following NCAA football would be the first school in my memory data base to hire a new HFC from a football program that has had 6 losing seasons in a row--also counting DD's last 2 years. I just don't think the SBC of 2010 is a good barometer to use as who we need to have around here for the next 5 years. But.........as I posted above, if he leads the way in beating the Kansas State Wildcats then hand him over our HFC's job on that silver platter, but I probably should also add if we also get those almost 24,000 fans back that we had at the Rice game for the Troy game at Fouts, then people would truly be excited about all this again--if just 12K to 15K show for Troy, then those low attendance numbers bear looking at or study as we think about marketing a new stadium, circa Fall, 2011. Yet if Coach C and team were to beat KSU, get him hired and give him a pretty good 5 year package deal with similar money we would have hired a "name" coach because why? (next paragraph) We will need our new head football coach to excite the entire UNT community fan base, especially the borderline/casual day of game ticket buyer type fans--not one who merely excites the posters of www.GoMeanGreen.com since we represent a very small & quick blip on the overall radar screen and we know another SBC loss or 2 will create on this forum yet another Roman mob'esque type mood swing or giant tsunami to someone else besides Canales (and why again on that)--because we've seen all this before, now haven't we? GMG!

First of all, congrats To Coach C and team for their win over WKU. Yet I hope beating any team from a very lightly regarded 2010 Sun Belt Conference does not become our barometer for anyone on this present staff or beyond to become UNT's HFC, including DeLoach who I think if we look at others of our present staff he should be included, too and why not; after all, his defense did quite well today, right? (Where are all the DeLoach supporters from years past anyhow)? If Coach Canales leads this team to beat the Kansas State Wildcats, I say hand him over this job on a silver platter and get him ready for the dry roast beef and english peas dinner circuit speaking to UNT alums all over Texas; but if some continue to think SBC success "year in and year out" will get us any higher ranking or get us up to the level of the Boise's of the NCAA world, then I think most any objective bystander (not to be found on this forum) would tell all of us on GMG.com to wake up and smell the coffee. Then they might also ask us: Why did yall waste all that money on a new stadium--just to be SBC football champions without being anywhere close to a Top 25 ranking? Just my .02 and I happen to know many, many others who feel just about the same and have for decades with their upwardly bound attitudes for Mean Green football. GMG!

UNTLifer, funny things just tend to happen when it involves UNT athletics--that's all I'm going to say other than...Ha! Ha! Funny! GMG! PS: I like that cinematic Texas Ranger moniker of yours inspired by UNT alum Larry McMurtrey.

Coach Fran would be like a diamond compared to what we've had in Denton for almost forever. Any known coach UNT would have a chance with is going to have some kind of blemish otherwise, we wouldn't even get an interview with that kind of a formerly successful coach. Coach Frans age? For crissakes', how old was Bobby Bowden, Woody Hayes, Schnellenberger (who beat us twice during 2 of our bowl years for heaven's sake) Joe Paterno (still active) and this list can go on and on... Do we want young and dumb (and no FBS experience as a HFC) or older and mature with a successful background at the BCS level as a head football coach? Again, don't forget about the blemish factor because we will not hire a true name coach who doesn't have 1 or 2 of those. (Just avoid the ones with multi-NCAA infractions blemishes). GMG

Honestly, I would bet any other time in our UNT football history, Coach Canales would be a sensible hire albeit still a project hire, but it's just not this time with all the ancillary and other things happening at our school (an $80 million stadium at the top of that list) which makes many of us think that now is just not that time. I'm sure his time will come in due time--whether here or elsewhere. I still cannot get over all these 30 plus years how UNT HFC hiring committees or AD's never contacted our most successful coach (at a national level) in history at Iowa to ask about one of his long line of assistants of which most became success stories at the BCS level. Some of them will be in the College Football Hall of Fame. How many of our usual list of prospects truly have that chance? To do the "un-Fry" thing thru the decades, we never even asked him about UNT graduate Bill Brashier who was with him on the Hawkeye staff for a long time. Folks, that in a nutshell might suggest to some of you what we have had our backs against in good ol' Denton, Texas, America. It is so easy to see why so many UNT alums we used to see regularly at most games in past decades threw up their hands and said "muck it!" I can't stand this senseless charade any longer." (Honest to goodness, though, I think the new stadium and the right "name" hire will get some of that group back and I think we would all say we will have a seat for each and every one of them)? GMG!

I think some of best ideas from numerous of you (all eras, too) have unfortunately shown up on GMG.com which may become that ideas kiss of death. Just my .02 on that subject of which many of you have told me the same thing. GMG! Mark aka "TBA", I know we have this red number contest going and you're presently ahead of me, pal, but I'm going to do my best to pass you up soon. Stay tuned! GMG!!

Better be careful, UNTLifer, I'm going to "red number" you for that one! (Your'e right--why do we care, but FWIW.... its just more college smack board chatter material, that's all). GMG

Group: Members Posts: 11570 Joined: 20-July 02 Posted Today, 10:55 AM Quote And in a side note, here's something to think about: What about a Fran-and-Fran package? If UNT hired former TCU-Alabama-Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione, it could try to bring in Blinn College head coach Brad Franchione in as its assistant head coach/coach in waiting. .................................. I think that an ingenous idea. Where the hell did you come up with that one anyway? UNT has never done anything in rush mode. In fact, as an alum who graduated in 1976, we seem to have usually been around 25 years behind the rest of those we used to say we wanted to be like or at at least at their level. Stadium? No rush job on that one for damn sure--probably should have done that 25 years ago, too. In fact, that is the only thing Fry didn't do up there that he should have done IMHO--he certainly had the business contacts in Dallas from his 10 plus years at SMU and one or two of whom could have led the way in financing us a nice new stadium at 25% the cost we are spending now. Wonder what conference we would be in had that happened? I can tell you one we wouldn't be in. UNT's true desire to be at the level of Texas Tech and University of Houston? We're pobably 25 years behind on that one, too. We not even close with Texas Tech and still have a ways to catch UH--not in enrollment either, but all the other things they have had long established such as a law school for starters? No, we for sure won't rush into anything at UNT thats for our ultimate longterm good. GMG!

Is it because I'm a conservative independent? That has to be it! We really do have lots of Libs' on a freakin' college smack board for heavens sake and true to form, if you don' agree with them then you must be part of the astroturf, ie, a Nazi wearing the swastika like Peleasie called all those older American veterans from every war we've had and those little ol' ladies with the blue hair who were all peacefully waving their American flags and being called racists for doing that I suppose. Such are the times we live today, though. Look at poor ol' Juan Williams? He was told he needed to go see his Psychiatrist for expressing a mere opinion (and that coming from one of his own on NPR). ("We don't always agree with you Juan but we luv' ya' anyway....and....keep that smile!)" (What the hell does this have to do with North Texas)? BUT..........I sorta' like all the red and sometimes the green--makes me think of Christmas. Red numbers also means said poster is getting read? I post for the sheer enjoyment of expressing what we Americans (last I checked) can still do--express our view. If that ever stops then they'll really be lots of red. We blue eyed devils really do like a good fight, now don't we? (Can we have the color blue for that one)? I have posted on this forum before if you don't like the themes said poster usually posts to just make it easy on yourself and don't read their threads or posts at all so in regard to that.......I suppose I'm getting all the red by being read? Beats the heck out of me, but I pretty well know the demagraphic of those on this board who go red crazy. Yet still.........I think most would prefer an honest face to face or post to post rebuttal--anyone can click the red, but few I've read on this board would respond to posts that might be considered "spot on" or fairly close to the truth because they might not could handle the red tide of opinion against their rebuttal that might offend or they'd take personally? We should all just learn to get along with each other's views then? GMG!

Of course, I jest with all the Oral Roberts talk. Hope I haven't offended those who are of his faith or pursasion with all the faith healing talk and all. I believe in most many of our adult lives North Texas has been its own worst enemy. In our alma mater's quest to erase anything that had to do with Hayden Fry's 6 year career in Denton as Athletic Director and HFC, its almost like we were developing a trend in Denton of "how would Hayden Fry "not" do any of this up here, especially now (or back then) that we find ourselves needing to hire yet again." Some of the search committees we've had up there could not have picked out an entire trumpet section in a major city orchestra. Anyone else ever wonder why we never, never, never talked to Fry's long list of Iowa assistant coaches many of whom left Hawkeye Country to their own successful HFC careers? Here's A Who's Who From Fry's Coaching Tree That North Texas Never Contacted When We Were Looking: Bill Snyder (with Fry at UNT and Iowa); revived a half century long dormant Kanasas State football program Kirk Ferentz – Iowa (1999-Present) Offensive line coach under Fry at Iowa from 1981-89 Bob Stoops – Oklahoma (1999-Present) Played D-back for Fry at Iowa from 1979-82 (Grad Asst at Iowa in 1983) Coached for Bill Snyder (Former Fry asst) at K-State from 1989-1995 Mike Stoops – Arizona (2004-Present) Played D-back for Fry at Iowa from 1982-84 Assistant coach at Iowa from 1986-91 Bret Bielema – Wisconsin (2006-Present) Played D-Line for Fry at Iowa from 1989-92 Assistant coach at Iowa from 1993-2001 Chuck Long – San Diego State Played QB for Fry at Iowa from 1981-85 Assistant under Fry and Ferentz at Iowa from 1995-99 Assistant/Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma under Stoops from 2000-05 Jim Leavitt – South Florida Grad asst for Fry at Iowa in 1989 Assistant at K-State with Stoops under Bill Snyder from 1990-95 Bo Pelini – Nebraska (2008-Present) Grad asst for Fry at Iowa from 1991-92 Barry Alvarez - no info but had a multi-year and successful career at Wisconsin Where would UNT be today if all this "Non Hayden Fry Approach" would have been reversed and we had (in deed) hired one of his assistants from Iowa of whom most were successful? Instead, UNT powers chose the revolving door which for all purposes we've had most of our adult life. You finally just lost count of the names and faces that went through our UNT Athletic Dept. doors--top to bottom. And now back to Canales...with all the names we've seen on this forum of whom some were known to most all by their prior success at the FBS level, I still have to wonder why such interest by some for a coach who has yet to even finish out his first year at North Texas and that as an assistant coach? I've read the board since the beginning of this season and some alums (before the MASH unit visited us) had questioned his ability in play calling. Of course, a losing season somewhat begats that for most every coach on staff. Our San Diego State poster who now posts regularly seems knowledgeable of college football even concurs that a program like ours with a new stadium soon to open probably needs the "name" coach. He is not that excited about Coach Fran because of what he thinks is a Dickey Ball kind of offense, but wouldn't most of us now take even that if we could find more wins than losses any given seaso--any given long term career in Denton? If Dickey's teams would have even been Top 50 teams, he would probably been able to ride that kind of success and still be our HFC today, but things went south pretty fast his last 2 years. This hire needs an outsider like Neinas probably more than any we've had--most of us will concur with who Neinas recommends to our Prez and AD and then they will make the final choice.