PlummMeanGreen

Yet over their dead Peruna carcus would that happen! (But I like your moxy, anyway)! SMU will one day change their mind about UNT when they (1) have new leadership (starting with a different President than their present) and (2) start seeing us as a turnstile cash cow , but until then, we are a large, looming over the North Texas Metroplex force and threat to whatever they think their own future in NCAA D1 actually is. GMG!

Hey North Texas! According to a UH acquaintance, a prime reason the Coog's are building their new football palace to seat 40,000 is they think the upcoming criteria for a new Super Conference (and it will happen one day because of all the Delaney types) will begin their crusade by using seating capacity just like they did in the early 1980's to start culling out schools with far less seats. Hmmmm? And TCU's re-do of Amon Carter will also stay a mininum of 40,000? Hmmmm? We once built an "olympic sized" swimming pool at the Peb that was one foot shy of olympic size that for competition sake (which was its original intent) made it an embarrassing pink elephant for UNT & virtually un-usable for varsity type competition. Lets not allow our new, football palace that we are to the person extremely proud of do the same thing to us at North Texas. 10,000 more seats, Prez' Nowlin--whether sooner or later (and sooner would be far less expensive)...we'll need the extra 10K to keep up with the schools we say we want to keep up with and to remove ourselves from the schools we say we are not wanting to be part of. All this is just never-ending but lets still do all the things that take care of North Texas and eliminate any potential obstacles that would cause the Big Boys to eliminate us. Sometimes its just a matter of thinking ahead & planning ahead on these things with what can be obvious possible trends of the upper-echelon (and many times greedy) NCAA power brokers, right? GMG!

For public consumption, I'm not sure that Neinas really ever gave us the meat of that report but merely a few appetizers. I do think Prez' Rawlins has the full meal deal concerning that report, though. GMG!

unt"George": We have some in D.C. who vote on bills that they've not even read half of it, but that is no excuse for us on GMG.com to do the same. You are right--I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have but... ...Utah State? They've not won any more than we have of late last I checked but... ....I'd love for our Consultant and Hired Hand Chuck Neinas to sit down with MWC Commish' Craig Thompson and do the old Ben Franklin close, ie, line down the middle a piece of paper with UNT on one side of the column and Utah State the other and just start showing the MWC Commish' how such dramatically more positive benefits North Texas would bring to the MWC table than the USU Aggies. I know these things just don't happen this way for whatever lame reason, but maybe they just should for a change? The Mean Green will be back on the annual "regular winners" column before Utah State ever will and I think most of us would agree with that (and with no degree of bias, of course). GMG!

Turn Neinas loose on every bit of this conference re-alignment business. He can plead our case as a non-UNT'er than a paid UNT'er would be able to most likely. The timing of this for our ultimate good could not be worse IMHO. Dammit, just give us a chance to get into that new stadium, show off our strategically located olympic village'esque Mean Green Village and then bring UNT in as the one that makes the most common sense (along with the 6'th largest TV market and the one school whose alums have the most DFW area television sets in that market to boot). Will we ever be at the right place at the right time in any of this conference re-alignment? And CUSA?.......Beggin' some La Tech Dawg's pardons, but if we are not the better entry for CUSA this time around, then we'd all know for certain that the politics with this would be dirtier than we would ever want to admit (and from which outpost from whence they would come, too). gmg

Sometimes you want to know why Divine Providence doesn't move just a big quicker sometimes with some self-proclaimed big shots. Delaney has been doing this kind of rant for years; hell, I thought he had already died to be truthful about the matter. G-R-E-E-D....Anyone found a cure for it yet?

"Old ugly's better than ol' nothing?" (Darrell K. Royal) I found it to be entertaining and probably our athletic version of Blair Witch Project? I kept waiting for Hank to grab the camera and start doing extreme close-ups of concrete pillars as he boogied on down under the stadium screaming to us all that the boogie bear of Fouts Field's past was after em' all out there. Seriously, I thought it served its purpose for what I think they thought that purpose should be. Don't think they were trying for an Academy nomination in the "Best Under A New Stadium Under Construction Short Film" category. Come on, folks, we've waited so damn long for this to happen that even a charcoal rendering of the stadium would make most of us happy. GMG!

Also quite obvious in the renderings after Fouts Field becomes a parking lot is a new pedestrian bridge connecting the former Fouts concessions area(?) across to the Mean Green Villge & our new football stadium. Projecting to that day when that pedestrian bridge becomes reality over Interstate 35-E, UNT still may want to invest in those 6 Flag Over Texas train-looking shuttles to get our fans from that part of campus both pre-game and post game. Senior or "mature" fans would especially appreciate that ride to and fro'. GMG!

I think UNT consultant Chuck Neinas would disagree with you on your Big Picture philosophy. For instance, when a university closing in on 40,000 students reaches its potential wouldn't it be much more impressive when that translates to much larger attendance numbers overall, ie, butts in seats, than when a school with around 7,000 undergraduate students reaches their potential? We have wasted many years at UNT due to poor leadership that just didn't get it when it came to NCAA intercollegiate athletics. Most of those presidents preceeded the late UNT Prez' Dr. Norval Pohl, too, and we all know who they were. In my minds eye, we are still about 25 years behind where we could have been with all this. Can you imagine if we had a president with a new stadium vision 25 years ago where this program could be today in light of what response we are already seeing from our new football palace which is not even completed yet? GMG!

Bump... Addendum: How many of you can command red numbers with even a mere "bump"? GMG!

The Amon Carter implosion was impressive. Wonder when the Fouts implosion is planned? Will all that area where Fouts is now become more parking? Any campus master plan showing that part of campus w/o Fouts Field? GMG! Off Topic: Can you imagine being in John Edward's shoes today?

Somewhat with what happened when CUSA accepted a losing SMU program into their league (with their having a new stadium for bargaining power, too) albeit most know they coat-tailed into that league with the others from the WAC they came in with as a group. Yeah, I know--apples and oranges with the 2 schools, but at least UNT's apple tree did not have the rotten variety hanging down or worms crawling in and out of ours like, uh, SMU with all their past NCAA probations (plural), only school to ever receive the Death Penalty, etc, etc, etc, Seemedly, a school that doesn't really have to do much to get much. A school with a small student body who really doesn't care one way or the other, too? At some point, one might think another kind of school that does not have cheating in its almost 100 year past of intercollegiate football would be honored for its........honesty? Surely Leo Durocher wasn't right....right? SMU? Smoke & Mirrors University? One day they will be asked such questions from possible higher up conferences as to why did they not have more than 17,000 fans on a Fill Ford Day promotion with a bowl team and a $2 million a year head coach on its sidelines? NOTE: On a Friday night back in 1963, a Fry coached SMU football team hosted a Roger Staubach-led Navy team in a regular season Cotton Bowl game before less than 20,000 fans. (Navy was ranked #2 at that time of season, too, so some here want to talk history & politics with those kind of eye-opening negative scenarios from a school that seems to wield way too much influence when they should have to account for their own indiscrepancies)? Lets not make getting into CUSA the end all for the University of North Texas. It is easy to see where SBC schools could win more against some CUSA schools in a given year but wait a minute.......I think that's already happened for a year or two already? The Mountain West Conference would be a better setting for UNT than it would be for SMU. Only reason they might really want it is if they think we really wanted it--that's how their history of politics seems to work with us, right? Yes, we have our own challenges ahead at North Texas, but we also did not have almost 90 years of a Southwest Conference background to help build our school a foundation in which to build a solid fan base and then building on top of that base later on to advance our cause. What we do in Denton we do on our own w/o such percs as a big time conference in our background, but UNT will make it happen without all that anyway (and it will mean more to us all when we do make it happen). MWC & UNT? We already have some tradition of playing schools in that league with ex conference mates Boise State and Nevada as it is and further back we have played most of its other members on more than one occassion, too, (and one of those in a bowl game early this decade) so there would be few if any "first time to ever play North Texas" write-ups on Game Day in most MWC outposts newspapers. If the SBC can start getting its top teams in Top 25 polls, it will really lessen our need to move up the totem pole but all this is still about perception which most on this forum in the past have agreed is..........reality and that part of the equation no one can change when it comes to NCAA conferences and athletics, in general. At some point, butts in seats in winning and losing years will play a part in the real future players of the upper echelon of NCAA football, and that is where the timing of UNT's new stadium comes in. It's easy to see what having a better stadium, higher rated recruits and better known OOC schools coming into Denton will play a huge part in galvanizing the enormous UNT constiutency of which UNT Athletics has been methodically moving to have all its major varsity athletics facilities in place and then will truly be able to play its part in bringing to fruition the very galvanation of the Mean Green Nation. And for the good of all of us concerned...the twain shall soon meet. GMG!

Bumping the original post and reason for this thread albeit we "ALL" tend to get off topic from time to time (and I suppose I'm toward the top of that list)? RIP Dandy Don... GMG!

You know, I don't know why I do that, either; my keyboarding fingers take on an uncontrollable Jim Carey "claw like" effect and I don't always know where they will take me for talking points. And I would proudly serve... (Now, Congressman E01, lets talk about a couple of pork projects I have in mind just for Parker County starting with a bridge over my pond).

Most Creative Post Ever On GMG.com Award, Smitty! Superb! GMG!

If one day there are dramatically fewer bowl games that will probably mean a national play-off for the NCAA football champion which will mean UNT will probably need to (with great haste) expand the new stadium to approx. 40,000 because the Big Boys I predict will want to use stadium size once more as one criteria when they begin their weeding out process. I know, I know, I know......"the sky if falling" and all that, but that is the method to my madness hoping our stadium had been larger in its initial stages. (It would have been cheaper to have had 5K to 10K more permanent seats now than later). One day UNT is going to have to remove itself from the "30K Seat Stadium Group" and go rogue if we want to be a player in the future "play-off" oriented NCAA because I fear they will start culling schools out like they did in the early 80's when there suddenly became a NCAA D1-AA--the Big Boys versus the Small Boys. Early bird gets the worm--ask Baylor why it was ready for the SWC implosion and their entrance into the Big 12 and TCU was not ready back in the day (not that it means that much now for the Frogs).

Shouldn't there be something illegal about that guy's name? Jeez!

I know we were down this year, but the years the MAC had a team or 2 in the Top 25 the last 10 years, were their top teams so head and shoulders above our marquee teams of any given year? Are Deep South media votes just more difficult to get than those from the Midwest media who seem to support (with votes) the MAC's best team of a given year? GMG!

Excuse me, I was working on some of my fencing technique but... I've heard pro and I've heard con on my jumbo colored letters but knowing me like the way I think I know me I suppose I will just stay neutral on most things and try to post mostly normal letters from the keyboard. And I'll try not to show this as-s much, either, from now on. GMG!

UH's team speed will probably be a major concern at the our stadium opener next September, but I guess its too early to really talk about that game (although many of us will).

Way out of our league? Gimmeee' a freakin' break! Yet.......it's all temporary over there because: The Rising Star North of Univ. Park Is Fixin' To Take Its New Stage & Be The New Marquee Attraction in the, uh, "North Texas" Metroplex! Put That In 3 Inch Headlines, Babe-eeeeeeeeeee! (I also can't wait till we show 'em what a real on campus football stadium looks like and one whose capacity is half full of green-clad NT students--the other half green-clad NT Exes/MG fans & "HELLSBELLS!..........................The University of North Texas Green Brigade Marching Band which would fill half of Ford Stadium by themselves)! GMG!

UNT Brings "The Fabulous Super Pit" to the MWC Table! Read this latest new exciting link below, check out the slide show, gloat on the super review our BB venue received and............. enjoy! http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/the-super-pit-s588/ Note: Link From Vito Blog On Front Page of GMG.com GMG!

Ht? Weight? Runs 40 in ?? seconds HS GPA OK, Jack, we expect you to know these kind of things now, right? Could he start as a freshman or do you RS? GMG!

Bump...can't wait to see the new master plan when it comes out. And...might there be paddle boats for the kids on the largest pond? GMG!

Bobby Jack Wright was an assistant at North Texas a zillion years ago it seems now. Coach Fran? His strange journey thru the NCAA has caused some to hesitate on him. He was my choice for this job albeit a reluctant one because he only spent 3 years even at TCU and had brief stops at Alambama and TAMU for that matter. He just has not stayed long hardly anywhere and UNT needs someone who will stay at least 5 or 6--build the program on sold Top 25 rankings ground and then let the chips fall where they may. Except for about 10 schools in the NCAA, we are all stepping stones to the next level as I noticed the TSU officials saying they didn't want to be that. If TSU (SM) gets him it would be a surprise to some, but it would also say to many "why did't others want to put him under a contract?" Coach Fran is in deed a talent, but sometime the ol' saying of "you can never go back" may apply with him at TSU/SM. The level of the name of the UTSA coach may influence Fran to give it another shot in San Marcos. Both UTSA and TSU/SM have to wonder about how soon they can become FBS elgible with the WAC problem and all.