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I think many others have seen the glaring omission at Apogee, too, drex. I fear when all this shakes out this round we are still going to be in the SBC but......this re-alignment party will still not be over. If we can just show the same patience TCU did after the embarrassment of being defocked from an imploded conference and no interest for the Frogs (at that time) for Big 12 consideration. TCU's is a nice story for certain and (to an extent) a model for North Texas to follow as far as the patience part. We can hope that our leaders are in contact with other league leaders that will improve our chance (when we do start winning) to actually getting ranked teams who go bowling. Many of the lower tier BCS Big 6 league schools would envy our Mean Green Village; that is, all the strategic real estate we have with some pretty darn nice venues on them now with more acreage to build other facilities in the future Don't many of us remember when we were going to spruce up Fouts (a la UH's Robertson Stadium) and convert the Services Bldg. (north of Fouts) to be our Athletic Center? Man O man, wouldn't that have put us in a corner we may have never gotten out of. GMG!

:ph34r: :ph34r: Win? Like those 4 SBC championships in a row that gave us so much notoriety and interest today in re-alignment talk? There are reasons some of us see the SBC as a continued albatross to our future. Of course, we have not helped the cause by losing too much and also being "a trade school for aspiring assistant coaches"' headquarters in decade's past as they became HFC's at North Texas knowing if they did well they could get the hell out Denton (not to be confused with San Antonio who in Year 1 has outdone * Denton-esque kind support a thousand fold & all that for a freakin' upstart program to boot (long sentence here) and...... .......if our "assistant to HFC's at UNT" Vince Lombardy's waiting to happen HFC's of the past did well here they could get the the hell out of Denton onto a Big Time job. That has been our past--- ----Dan McCarney & Apogee Stadium gives us hope for a future but.................... PLEASE RE-ALIGNMENT GODS....PLEASE SMILE ON US FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF SMILING ON RE-CYCLED (once again) HAS-BEEN SCHOOLS FROM THE PAST TO FILL IN HOLES IN SOME OF THESE COOKIE CUTTER CONFERENCES. (Check on their resume's for a change as to what they really do not bring to the table). SMU has had 3 (?) winning seasons since their Death Penalty and couldn't draw flies if they were a horse manure factory but what theyd did 60 years ago (with non-stop lies about their real attendance figures at Ford) still (amazingly) makes some of these "Big East type" conference leader's pants go crazy. I sometimes think a bunch of over-paid neanderthals are runnning some of these NCAA conference asylums quite frankly with greed as the main theme. *Those from Denton who do support our program are the best of the best--they are in the minority but they are as good as they come as far as doing the civic thing by supporting the 4' th largest university in Texas that has more than supported Denton. The DRC's Donna Fielders editorial & her newfound joy of being a new Mean Green fan is what can really happen in Denton many times over---yes, even little ol "Little D." I just want to know why it takes so long for the locals to discover all this? Long Story Short : I don't think we get any interest from any league this time around but......this musical chairs cake walk ain't near done yet even after this latest round. We just have to take care of our business in Denton like TCU did in Fort Worth (with a much larger budget and endowment to draw from, of course). Sorry, I should have taken my meds before I posted this one.

Happy Birthday, Rick! Our man in charge of tightening UNT's loose cannon. Seriously, we all appreciate the work and unpaid hours you spend trying to keep that cannon in tact.

http://outkickthecoverage.com/big-east-unlikely-to-lose-bcs-bid.php

Agree... Rick V has 2 traits that North Texas has always needed in our AD: (1) A Type A personality and (2) a pro-active AD but.....RV must also be given direction from our main campus Prez' and the UNT System's BOR's as for him to be able to use both of those traits and as to what direction (and meetings) they want RV and Mean Green athletics to go. Just sayin'... GMG!

UNT needs to be in either the MWC or CUSA--both will no longer have a DFW presence in their conference TV packages at all if SMU goes Big East.. (Could there be a tug-a-war for North Texas in our near future from CUSA and the MWC)? Wouldn't it be predictable that either CUSA or MWC commissioners could say what is in the below bold letters if we were their DFW rep and standard bearer for keeping a Top 10 TV market in their league:: "We have more upside with North Texas anyway. Jeez', wait till our other member schools see their Super Pit, their Mean Green Village (with its strategic location) and then their Mean Green Villages' crowning jewel....Apogee Stadium--they will be blown away with what they see." The Big East looks like one big cluster love in session that won't (IMHO) stay solid, but I feel whoever the leftovers of CUSA and the MWC will be on better, solid footing. Granted, both leagues might be in a mild shock with who they may have lost, but they will get over it and see a bright future. Projecting and guessing (as all FBS schools are doing now) if the Big East just can't keep all their new members from the West or Southwest happy, some of those schools may want to come back to CUSA and/or the MWC and if North Texas is "by chance" in one of those 2 leagues and after weve 'paid our time in either of those league's dues, we could have a vote with who would be allowed back. I tihink we'd be kinder and gentler in that dept. than some have been with us. North Texas was kindler and gentler per se when we led the way and helped Utah State get in the SBC when they had no other place to go and the USU Aggie president responded by saying..."We owe you big time, North Texas." (Have no idea if any of that administration are still around, though). What an amazing, confusing and messed up time for the NCAA.. Greed is a very difficult horse to saddle is what we say here in Texas, right? GMG! GMG!

And the purpose for such a statement coming from that article is........? In the best scenario, we would play schools people know about, but moreso we just have to put a string of winning seasons together. This is when we start getting the real crowds out to Apogee Stadium. When I was a student and a fairly enlightened and knowledgable follower of NCAA college football, I had no knowledge of most of the schools that are in our present league. We were busy scheduling schools of which a few wins over those schools would have helped us do like most of our former Missouri Valley counterparts and that to simply move up the NCAA totem pole. Then our almost 40 year walk in the wilderness began. Those of us who had opinions and suggestions about what North Texas should do to rise again were sometimes isolated and demonized for having the gall to want such; and that usually from staffers who knew they did not have the talent or abilities to take us where we briefly were in 6 short years under Fry. One AD in the 90's told SUMG and me that the Big West would be so much a better league for us to be in than the Metro Conference (now CUSA before the ex SWC schools came in). Even as novices, SUMG and I knew that was so out there in left field wrong. Our puzzle has been difficult but one that if we play schools/teams people know about and put that string of winning seasons together this (I assure you) will not be even close to the same North Texas when AD/HFC Coach Hayden Fry was around and when many of us were students. Dramtatic growth in the constituency that constitues the entire UNT community is the reason for that. Denton had 39,000 population and Denton County with 99,000 backin the mid 70's. Todays numbers compared to that are night and day difference. Fact is, we are too large a public university system in DFW to be irrevelant, but still all we have to do is just take care of business. IMO, Boise State should have been our model almost from the day we left the Broncos and the Big West Conference behind but our leaders back then chose other unchartered waters which has (quite frankly) put us where we are today rarely being seriously mentioned in conference re-alignment talk. I think we well get in one of these leagues almost by default albeit may not look close to the league we desired once before. But almost any version of CUSA or MWC would still be a better peception--maker than the league we are part of today. We know what the problems are, but we need those who can (with warp speed) find and then act on the solutions of those problems to get this huge UNT battleship to the waters that most of us on this board have wanted even before some of you were born. If you would have been on our campus in the Fall of 1975 watching ABC TV sports commentators brag on a national broadcast about a win from a bunch of rag-tag kids from northern Texas dressed in apple green you, too, would have fought the good fight to encourage our revolving door of North Texas leadership to hire those who get those kind of days back to Denton once again--I guarantee that you would have. GMG!

Indeed, Smash Mouth & 'Slobber-Knock Em' Early On and then come back to Apogee Stadium and Denton with another win! (some words got cut out of the subject box although the words were allowed in the title when I typed them in the Subject box). The Cajuns will be sky high at the beginning of our game with them Saturday night. So...........instead of our young players having those "deer in the headlight" stares because of a huge home crowd just do like the antler'd dude in the movie "Tommy Boy" & just get in the back seat of their car and stare them down in the rear view mirror; and while on the football field, just hit those Cajuns harder early on than any team we've played this year and stop cold any momentum for their getting too early a first quarter lead. In fact, let ours be the team who comes out swinging and gets those first scores to gain that first quarter momentum. When our Mean Green players hear their crowd yelling for our blood, our team in green should just act like that that crowd are actually yelling for them. It's all psychological in so many ways with the mental aspects of the great game--sorry Mike Rhyner, but football is the "GREAT" game to me. GMG! PS: I'll be DJ'ing a Class Reunion this Saturday night but will have a radio with the MGRN at hand.

Speaking of weather on Game Day Saturday, I got 6 inches of rain with all those ominous clouds that came boiling into the Metroplex from the west and am not sure how Denton escaped it as lighty as they did. Back To The Present: I know at ULaLa, our team needs to be mentally prepared (not that they won't be) that this Rajun Cajun team are coming out to prepare some blackened Eagle. The best way to counter that is to just do some good old fashioned smash mouth slobber-knockin' especially in that first quarter preventing the Cajuns from geting out of the shute too fast (with early and/or too easy scoring) and that will calm some of that non-sense down. GMG!

I know in Texas what we call blackened food is burn't. When I order a club sandwich anywhere I request my white bread to be burn't and send it back if it ain't.

Another thread on the same subject... http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=521197

If SMU treats people nice they wouldn't get this from not just alums/fans of North Texas but other schools who have the same complaints on SMU's condescending attitudes. Not sure fascination is quite the word, but for many it should concern their enrollment, number of SMU students who actually show for games (with good weather), overall attendance and those in the "truly interested in SMU" constituency. Their upside can and will never match ours (and they know it) and I'm beginning to wonder if there are any mathmaticians in some of these leagues who actually know the differences between large versus small consituencies, large versus small enrollment schools, large versus small DFW area alumnus numbers and how such differences can affect TV ratings for a conference wanting TV ratings with all this aimed at those leagues who allegedly project SMU as a possible member. I just don't get it. Hellsbells, they also can't be that excited about a school that has only had 3 winnning seasons and 1 bowl game the last umpteen years, either.................. So concerning SMU I ask what I really wish some of these other league officials who are said to be interested in SMU would ask and as Clara Peller asked years ago in that hamburger commercial? "Where's The Beef?" Clara Peller from the Wendy's commercials of thr 1980s. GMG!

Perfect weather for a 'Stangs home football game the day that happened several years ago, too, but SMU still gets passes on every lied about attendance figures they have had pre and post Death Penalty era and what happened at their school over 60 years ago amazingly still impresses some of these conference suitors of theirs. Why don't they just call TCU and let officials from Frogdom tell them all they need to know about attendance at Mustang home football games. And that is all it would take for some of these leagues to think twice in putting 'Stang'ville in one of their cookie cutter conferences. (I post this thread because I'm a tad pissed at what I'm reading at another outpost concerning the 13K). We have all been humored thru the years (decades) with exaggerated attendance numbers coming from the School @ Mockingbird Universe.. Hell, the SMooooo attendance counter had been at Apogee Saturday I assure you that we would have had 22,000 in attendance. . I know that Saturday was a "Green Out" promo at Apogee but the only green I was worried about were the ominous clouds on radar heading our direction turning green. I had to make a last minute cancellation with SUMG for that game and I was even dressed ready to go for some Mean Green football and couldn't wait for another Apogee Experience yet..... ...in our part of the North Texas Metroplex we got 6 inches of rain folks and as I posted in a thread yesterday I had a broken tree limb induced hole in the SW corner of my roof where the guest bathroom is. I spent Saturday evening and part of Sunday AM emptying a large garbage cannister of part of that 6 inch rain into a bath tub. Now getting estimates and hoping for sunshine for a few days. Fact is, we still have had 8 losing seasons in a row, yet are still averaging over 20K for 3 games and when our winning cycle soon returns we are going to kick @ss & take names in the attendance department at Apogee Stadium and I base that on what we've done after 3 games (new stadium or not) and not a winning season in almost a decade. Just Had To Share This: This is our friends from Ruston's response to 13K.... as usual---so very interesting. They seem to think every little thing that happens that they perceive is a "program ending" negative toward us will someday help them get in their All Time Dream Conference. Little do they know.... and with that philosphy SMU should have become a basketball school long time ago based on real butts in seats under 10,000 to many times to count. UNT only draws 13K at home!!!

I know this thread is about the overall parking problem and to a degree the long walk to Apogee, but next Fall won't the glass enclosed walkway extending over I-35E solve many of our problems? There was no way to avoid it this year, but many senior citizen Mean Green fans are in many cases simply not able to make the walk from campus onto North Texas Blvd then over to the Mean Green Village and Apogee Stadium and it is costing UNT that demographic this year--familys with young children the same. Young kids cannot walk that far and then have to be picked up by mom and dad which makes that walk for parents with kids on their backs our version of the Bataan Death March. I tihnk more signage telling people where to get free on campus parking and paid Fouts Field parking should happen. No one who knows our campus like most of us on this board have problems getting around to a spot but those who have never been to Apogee could easily get lost looking for a place to park on our campus and then where do they go from there for the long walk. For the first game, the UH executive director of the "H" club (fundraising arm of Coog athletics) parked next to who I was with near the Super PIt and didn't have the first clue as to where he was supposed to go next. He knew nothing of North Texas Blvd being the main pedestrian artery to get over to the MG Village, either. In fact, he told me and another alum that he thought the new stadium was somewhere on our east campus. (He came in from Dallas and probably took McCormick Dr exit then to the Super Pit and probably would not have seen Apogee coming from Dallas. We invited him to walk with us and we'd get him to Apogee by way of NT Boulevard. (Of course, when all else fails just follow where most of the crowd is heading is the best rule of thumb, right)? For those who don't know, we may need more "day of" signs saying with arrows pointing to the way to get to Apogee. We knew there would be parking problems this Fall with a new stadium and looking at a map even a year before its completion indicated such, but I think they will tweak it and get it right sooner than later. We have dedicated a whole bunch of the Apogee Stadium area as a greenway (instead of multiple parking lots) which I hope we can keep that way for a long time but the I-35E covered walkway will solve many, many problems with where most of our fans and students park, ie, on our east campus. NOTE: When UNT expands to 40K or 50K in the future that is probably when we will lose much of our present greenway around Apogee.

Weather killed many of our nights last night and some who had planned to come to the game. (I defer to another post today with my tree limb induced hole in the roof of part of my house before some huge rain storms came to what seemed to be exclusively......Parker County). Ms. Fielder has been part of the Denton scene for awhile. Her story inspires us all because we know many, many, many more like her that all they have to do is experience "the Apogee Experience" just one time and they'd be hooked forever. Chock up another new Mean Green fan from the Denton coummunity--many more will come. Again, very inspiring, Ms. Fielder. GMG!

All this dab-nabbit' NCAA pecking order is a bummer, Rudy, but a stark reality we all have to live with. What is almost funny with the Big Boys is how few of them even want to be in bed with each other (UT & TAMU for starters). Insane people (some Big Time presidents and some Big Time AD"s) are screwing up NCAA football as we once knew it. Tradition and a buck in today's NCAA will get you a bad cup of coffee.

We have a new stadium that Big 12 interim Commish' Chuck Neinas said we got a hellvua' deal for $78 million which between his lines with that statement says no one today could most likely build an Apogee-type stadium for less than $100-110 million truth be known. We need to have opponents that such a stadium should be able to produce for us. The above schools Deep Green suggests are exactly who we need to schedule to move forward with what I think (and hope) North Texas wants to do. If we want to maintain the status quo we had pre-Apogee, schedule the TSU's and the UTSA's till the cows come home. Yet if we have aspirations to one day move to a more prestigious conference they will not be impressed with a long list of wins with schools just starting their journey as FBS schools. We know few leagues were impressed with our production from the 'Belt nor were they when we even went to 4 bowls in the early years of our league, either. JUST ONE MORE UNSOLICITED ADVENTURE--GOL' DARN IT. I was ready to head to Denton and meet SUMG and then go to last night's game until toward the last minute a lady friend and I discovered that a strong gust of wind had apparently broken off part of a limb from one of my houses' surrounding oak trees whose limbs tower over my abode gouging a small hole in the roof in a part of the house I rarely use--a guest room bathroom. My day, night and morning would be just beginning. After I saw the weather radar from Kerith's cell phone showing some very, scary ominous rain heading straight to Parker County. My friend confirmed the obvious and then informed me that "Jim, you are not going to get to go to that football game now." I called SUMG and told him I had to cancel what would have been a great time at Apogee. I could not get a tarp to cover the small hole in my roof in time and I didn't have a ladder to get up on the roof if I'd had a tarp. Calling a roofing specialist was out ot the question because few would get out and work in the arriving rain and of course for what they would charge just to say hello and look at would be ridiculous so................. ............I spent most of the night (and into the early morning hours ) with Weatherford's 3 to 4 or 5 inch rain emptying a huge plastic garbage tub of non-stop water from that leak while you guys were having a good time and another fun Apogee expereince. So.....when it rains...it pours? I am glad for the rain, but instead of getting it all at one time an all days farmer rain would have sufficed, but we did get the rain which we all needed so badly. I'm glad we won the game as that is the only thing good that came from last night.

http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=519994 Prefer that the above link content (or something a bit more tamed down) would have come from our campus rather than my keyboard. If we can just get the MWC commissioner on our campus all that he would see would sell itself, IMHO.

Nice stadium for FAU to be proud of but I know many of us look forward to the day that we never have to make that 1,000 mile plane ride to play any conference game in that stadium. Guess that is why re-alignment talk of North Texas trying to be elsewhere is so predominant now on this forum and will continue to be as long as their is major college football in the USA. Yet....new stadium talk is also sorta' cool, too.

UH should just be patient. Anyone who thinks the Big 12 is set in stone with their present situation is not keeping up with college conferences re-alignment UH has a past SWC membership in their resume' just as TCU did. It helped TCU and it will eventually help Houston. If UH were in the MWC they would be temporary just as TCU was temporary with the MWC and the Big East. Our weakness at North Texas is what league we would be coming from if we were to elevate upward. CUSA may come soon for UNT but it probably won't be (or stay) the CUSA most on this board have wanted. If North Texas has any friends who can get MWC commissioner Craig Thompson onto our campus and the Mean Green Village and the Top 10 TV market we reside I think we would immediately become a "higher up their list" serious contender for MWC membership. You can't walk across all that real estate between 2 Texas interstates in the major population center our school is located and not be impressed. Major airport access is also one of our pluses at North Texas. Some schools fly into other out of the way outposts and have to take 1-2 hour bus drives to an opponent's campus. Our campus is 35 minutes from DFW Airport and 20 minutes from Alliance Airport. One thing (among a list) we have not done right at North Texas the last 30 plus years (until now with Coach Mac)) is simply not hire a proven NCAA D1 HFC with major university experience with some success. We tried to suggest that many years ago to past leaders but there were always disastrous "detours" that caused our leadership to go other directions and so therefore....here we are--still with all this potential and not many wins the last umpteen years. Lady Timing still chooses not to smile on us....yet. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but there are some things in hiring a football coach at a major university in the state of Texas where football is King that even a novice could probably do better in hiring than some we've had pushed down the throats of our UNT community of NT alums and Mean Green fans. We do need some outside help in this re-alignment business for us to improve our lot in collegiate athletic life and that is for certain.

You are the first to post what many of us have been thinking. We need some nasty photos of the MWC Commissioner. Black mail works every time! GMG!

TCU2000 Posted Today, 01:20 PM (#2) Thanks Mean Green. You all have the student body population to do something great. Keep supporting your team! GMG!

Bump... TCU'ers show some North Texas and Apogee Stadium love.

TCU has been (for the most part) civil with UNT. They scheduled us at Fouts when many would not. Then they showed up by the thousands as if they were going to a game at UT's DKR Memorial Stadium or something. A Mean Green link and thread to congratulate the Horned Frogs. After all, they are our neighbors, right? http://www.killerfro...howtopic=143643

I guess we need to move to PM'ing, but DJ Ed was one of my favorites in my 25 years in the tech school recruiting business. We both amazed each other with our knowledge of rock and roll musicology. See ya' at Apogee, Jim. Where you all sitting? And KingDL1 will take good care of yall at his tailgate station. Tony aka KingDL1 is a master tailgating chef of the highest order.