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One school who came into CUSA in the early 2,000's came in with about a 15 year seasons losing streak, so North Texas doesn't need to get hammered by anyone (friend or foe) on our present one that is half that of said school described above. Next subject please....

North Texas Athletic Budget? From Colorado Eagle ColoradoEagle Mean Green Eagle Group:MembersPosts:1,418Joined:05-December 06 Posted 11 April 2011 - 02:35 PM Thought it would be an interesting time to talk about this since Coach Jones and staff just got a sizable raise, Coach Aston is being brought in after firing Stephens, and of course Coach Mac and his staff were brought in a few months ago. The past couple completed years ('08 and '09), the budget has hovered right around $17.1 million. The student athletics fee goes into effect for the Fall '11 semester. Using the 2009-10 fact book and extrapolating those percentages out to three semesters (Fall '10, Spring '11, and Summer '10), I came up with these numbers. One caveat is that the fact book lists hours in the way of 15+, 12-14, 9-11, etc. For 15 I capped at that since that's the most hours where the fee can be applied. For numbers like 12-14, I picked 13, 9-11 I picked 10, and so on. This is only an educated guess, and may be more or less depending on the enrollment numbers... 2008-2009: $17,184,1372009-2010: $17,105,0462010-2011: Not yet reported*2011-2012: $24,031,292 *projected Quite a leap. Obviously half of the new fee will be going towards paying the stadium. I don't know exactly how much the maintenance and operations cost on Fouts were vs. the new facility, but I think saying we have an extra $3.45m for general athletics use wouldn't be too far off. Optimistically, so far about $875k of the $3.45 has been spent. $80k boost for JJ, $500k boost for football assistants, $290k more for Mac than Dodge. These numbers don't include: buyout for Stephens, however much more Coach Aston and her assistants might make, and the salary boost for JJ's assistants. They also don't include any boosts we might receive due to the new stadium from increased MGC membership, higher giving, increased attendance, or increased/decreased conference revenue. Anyways, just bored and happy that we're finally moving into an acceptable budget range. Still a ways to go for a school of our size, but it's already making a huge, tangible difference with the coaches and facilities. Now the next step should be a tangible difference with marketing and promotions which are nearly non-existent outside the campus borders. Here's the math behind it for those interested This post has been promoted to an article GMG!

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/09/uab_officials_detail_plans_for.html Did UAB borrow our blueprints or what? (Check out the UAB rendering in above link--just no wingzone for them, of course).

I think one in particular did locally and said it early on. That's all I am going to say on that subject. Judge for yourself whose running the show in NCAA college re-alignment. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2011-10-27/is-espn-the-force-behind-college-conference-realignment/51019966/1 GMG!

The below numbers indicates how our endowment coffers compare to all the present CUSA members, ie, the dollar amounts in bold represents endowment numbers for each CUSA school. North Texas from one source (wikopedia) says we are setting right at $100,000,000.oo. For North Texas to be elgible for Tier 1 status I believe we have to have at least a $400 million endowment. Well, unless T. Boone takes a likin' to us we will have a nice wait on that one. East Division University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB)BlazersBirmingham, Alabama1969Public18,00011,6811995$332 million University of Central Florida (UCF)KnightsOrlando, Florida1963Public50,00045,3982005$114 million East Carolina University (ECU)PiratesGreenville, North Carolina1907Public27,00020,9741997 (football) 2001 (all other sports)$103 million Marshall UniversityThundering HerdHuntington, West Virginia1837Public15,5009,3142005$70 millionUniversity of MemphisTigersMemphis, Tennessee1912Public21,40016,7191995$183 million University of Southern Mississippi (USM)Golden EaglesHattiesburg, Mississippi1910Public17,25414,0961995$89 million West Division University of HoustonCougarsHouston, Texas1927Public39,00029,2981995 **$491 million Rice UniversityOwlsHouston, Texas1891 (opened 1912)Private6,7003,2372005$3.6 billion Southern Methodist University (SMU)MustangsUniversity Park, Texas (Dallas)1911Private10,6006,0002005$1.37 billion University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP)MinersEl Paso, Texas1914Public20,50017,2612005$151 million Tulane UniversityGreen Wave New Orleans,Louisiana1834Private11,1006,7491995$807 million University of TulsaGolden Hurricane $915 million . GMG!

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RMJcr5DVGHE I bid and won at at Jim Hobdy-led silent auction in Dallas a spot in the Fouts Field Press Box for a game back in the mid-1980's with UNT graduated sports broadcaster Craig Way (longtime Voice of the TLRN, ie, Texas Longhorns Radio Network); also sat in the Fouts press box with Bill Mercer and the late great Ron Shanklin. It was a fun and memorable experience. Craig Way is a FaceBook friend and I just sent him a note and the above YouTube video for all those Tea-Sippers to watch! GMG! PS: We will have a great football team to put in our great football stadium (and at a higher "ranked" success level, too, IMHO). Apogee Stadium and the fans who sit in her deserve no less.

That address once again, Varsity? You prefer check, cash or money order? GMG!

Never met ya' but Happy Birthday anyway!

7 years of average recruiting classes, ie, not recruiting enough linemen but rather too many DB's and WR's (especially during the TDodge era) will create an immediate problem for a new coach every time. WE ALL WANT TO WIN AND TO WIN.................NOW.......................but we are "still" going to have to be patient. We have some good talent, folks, but just not enough to win even in the Sun Belt. Our depth is now being tested with some injuries. A nice transfusion of JUCO's this winter recruiting season would be nice, but we haven't been too lucky doing that of late. GMG!

You da' man, Rick!

A few years ago who was the TCU QB who sat on the bench for 4 years and his 5'th year of elgibility became a contributing factor to a TCU successful season? That is what I hope colleges see more of rather than "if I don't start I can always transfer." We beat Tennessee back in 1975 with our 3'rd string QB (Glen Ray?) as I recall. You always need more than just 2 QB's and if anyone should know that it is us with all our QB injuries in past years. GMG!

In The Red: (1) 5 years of TDodge recruiting what this board complained about were too many DB's and WR's yet always a noticeable dearth of linemen is part of our problem today IMO. (2) Dickey's last 2 years of recruitng were a train wreck as most would agree. The lack of interest from schools he would have liked to have upgraded his own career never happened and it seemed to create an attitude of bitterness from DD (which would happen with many under similar circustances). All of the above add up to 7 years of bottom of the barrell recruiting (even for SBC standards). We did get some good football players during this time, but never 22 on both sides of the ball with across the board championship talent. Still, my problem with the Sun Belt is how grossly ignored this league is by the national media toward our top team(s) as far as generating interests to vote for any of them in the Top 25 polls. The MAC has even had a few Top 25 ranked teams in years past as compared to the 'Belt. Most of us always want our best team to break that drought. As posted in another thread, since Fry left this program in 1978 Mean Green football has trended downward as far as wins versus losses with stats that I don't even want to post again. I didn't realize just how bad it has been until I saw it on the Wikipedia write up on North Texas Mean Green. It's depressing and I suppose the reason we went a different route in the kind of HFC we would hire last go around. Coach McCarney told us all months ago what we were up against, ie, what many on this board still do not want to accept and that is what I posted above in the red letters. The coaches represented in red (of course) did not have Apogee Stadium to recruit toward, but we of the Mean Green Nation are going to still have to exhibit a trait we are all but thread bare in exhibiting and that is the trait of patience. Addendum: Still amazing is that if this football team is not too injured to run the table with our last 3 games and we got lucky and won all 3.....we would be bowl elgible and this board which too many times has both Saul Allinsky "isolate & demonize" along with Roman Mob characterstics would all be so ready to forgive and forget. We are a fickle (but for the most part) loyal fan base but post Fry downward trending we sorta' have 1 or 2 reasons to be this way. GMG!

Be 61 next month...I do tend to ramble but am getting to that age to where I have an excuse to do so, but every once in while even a blind hog finds an acorn. I will Cliff Note the opening epistle to one statement: If you're standing still in today's NCAA, then most likely you are trending backwards & running in motion getting nowhere fast. IMO, North Texas need some outside friends to help us get what we want in this re-alignment. I hope we have them. God I hope we have them. GMG!

Not For The Weak or Feint of Heart To Read: "UNT has a 51.7% winning percentage in school history, but since Hall of Fame Coach Hayden Fry left after the 1978 season, UNT's winning percentage has trended downward. From 1978 until 2005, UNT had a 41.9% winning percentage. From 1991 to 2005, the Mean Green had a 39% winning percentage." Source: Wikepedia Plummerpedia: We know what has happened between 2006 - 2010. And 2011? We could still go to a freakin' bowl game for heaven's sake! Doesn't that just make you want to slap yo' mama? (An old Texas phrase not to be taken literally, of course) When You Have More Years Behind Ya' Than In Front ....Ya' Tend To Retrospectively Look Back: This is why some of us Old Gun Alums who sometimes live in the past long for trends that (simply enough) trend back to being...........upward. Some of you love to talk about the glory days of "losing close games to Texas or whoever" but that is not going to cut it in today's NCAA world of "what have ya' done for us lately." Some of you only know losing Mean Green football and as of late, all of us know losing Mean Green football. (Guess that is why North Texas hired a former major conference HFC from Iowa State--one who went into an impossible Big 12 program and came out with 5 bowl games & a few wins over the Iowa Hawkeyes, too. We need him to duplicate that success in Denton in the worst of ways. 4 bowl games last decade as an unranked SBC football champion was nice, got us a lot of attention when we needed it, but the SBC was a brand new league of upstarts many of whom just up from a lower NCAA division. North Texas had had more scholarships a few years before the SBC opened for business and a head start over some of the SBC upstarts because of that. Upstart? You know, like UTSA who in one year has schooled the City of Denton on what it means to support the local football team rather than BS'ing our local college officials about how they "always support the other school, ie, TWU in our case" and that to keep from supporting (buy a football ticket?) to the only public university in Denton that has an NCAA college football team. The best MG fans from Denton who do show are the best of the best of whom many I count as friends yet they are as frustrated with their fellow Denton-ites not supporting a MG football team as any of us who no longer live in Denton and are now outsiders. San Antonio has proven to all how to do it. We love our alma mater for many various reasons, but in the football department we have to do better than the Mean Joe Greene or Hayden Fry era's now. Fry is still the barometer for many on this board because of the feeling that most any game we went into with him as HFC, we always felt we had a chance to WIN the gol' darned football game; not just get close. (Of course, Fry had his share of shellackings at the hands of those we at the time were very unmanned against. Coach Dan McCarney when many of us close our eyes has many alums thinking about his own personal hero whose framed picture is in his Athletic Center's office over-looking Apogee Stadium. We want Coach Mac to do better than Fry and in today's NCAA he almost has to. THE GOOD NEWS IS (and there is plenty I will not even list now): North Texas has as much or more to bring to "ANY" league, ie, AQ or non AQ conference's table as some getting in with much less upside than North Texas and even some with less "real butts in seats" attendance numbers truth be known. Still a (seemed) problem at North Texas and from all appearances is we don't have a clue in how to politic with the right people in those better conferences we'd like an affiliation with some on campus most likely thinking Apogee Stadium is going to magically have them crawling to us (which it will not). We soon found out what our last few decades of "trending downward" programs affect had with the Apogee Stadium honeymoon, now didnt' we? Unfairly for us, though, we get hammered for attendance but some CUSA schools brag about how they have not had "less then 16,000 average attendance in years (which means they were, too, at one time sucking hind teat in the attendance department with less than.........16K per home game . We of North Texas better by gosh hope that Lane Rawlin's contacts from his past schools where he served as president can get our feet in the door of some conference out there that will upgrade us top to bottom and across the board. We can't have another 15-25 years of what we've had the last 15-25 years because if that happens (again) Apogee Stadium will make one helluva' intramural football and soccer field for both men and women's club sports. If you're standing still in today's NCAA, then most likely you are trending backwards & running in motion getting nowhere fast. GMG!

All in all, I don't feel comfortable about any of this for us. Not that it won't eventually happen for us, but for now all the various scenarios going on just baffles the mind. Our ace is still our location (FINALLY)................. but had we been a better athletic program across the board the last 15 years we would be a shoo-in with some one now--no questions asked. GMG!

Might be a short-term scheduling window of opportunity, but would it be possible for this to happen....................NOW? Per CUSAbbs board SMU's future schedule but North Texas could find other schools making conference moves who may not have their OOC schedule as filled out as SMU's. SMU's OOC schedule is pretty full for the next few years. Per NationalChamps.net here is their future schedule: 2012 9-1 @ Baylor 9-29 TCU TBA Texas A&M TBA Stephen F. Austin 2013 8-31 Texas Tech 9-14 Baylor 9-28 @ TCU 2014 8-30 @ Baylor 9-13 TCU TBA @ North Texas 2015 9-5 Baylor 9-19 @ TCU TBA North Texas TBA @ Navy 2016 9-17 @ Baylor 9-24 TCU TBA @ North Texas TBA Navy 2017 9-2 Baylor TBA North Texas TBA @ Navy 2018 9-22 @ Baylor TBA Navy 2019 8-31 Baylor GMG!

Like sports is considered to be the toy section of the Department Store of Life--most of us on this board (just for fun) spend a part of our lives thru the actions of a bunch of 18 -22 year olds and even all that still...............just for fun. So...................... just for fun.....vote for North Texas. Someone is noticing our interest in what they have going on over there. http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=525014 GMG!

I believe the Brit' soldier had that line, too, right? As a kid, I went around whistling that movie's soundtrack's main theme. Yes, a bit touched even back then, too. Then....I followed the Mean Green for most of the last 38 years! That took me over the top! Meds! where's my meds!

Bump! LaTech is slowly moving up the totem pole. Stand Up! Mean Green Nation! http://ncaabbs.com/s....php?tid=525014

Are there any photos where all of the crowd of both sides are shown? Of course, the other shows areas surrounding the stadium. GMG

All this reminds me of that movie "2012" when the South Pole ends up being somewhere it for darn sure shouldn't be. Also, I can hear the NCAA powers that be responsible for all this re-alignment insanity finally sobering up and one day saying something like Sir Alec Guiness said in the movie "Bridge Over The River Kwai" as the bridge he led the way in being built by POW's was blown up (and he saying): "Oh my, what have I done?" Popcorn or Milk Duds, anyone? GMG!

Harry Miers! I was just fixin' to post the same thread you 'wascally wabbit!" Also, from CoogFans.com this Apogee "green" article and the same nice photo in that article as in below link. Thanks Coogs! http://chronicle.com/blogs/buildings/a-collegiate- stadium-mean-green-and-platinum/30475?sid=pm&u tm_source=pm&utm_medium=en GMG!

Of course all the above all well established programs from long time established conferences; at least the latter for the moment and that moment can change...in the next 5 minutes. I probably should have been more specific (which I was not) that I was talking about non AQ schools in good TV markets who would be prime for (present) non AQ conferences and that is where I believe North Texas fares well in all this, but who the heck knows in this topsy-turvy world of today's NCAA. I mean look at a non-researched on their attendance school who is getting another free ride in all this? (I'll stop there). Here Is The Link That Shows North Texas Very Prominently For A Non AQ School: http://en.wikipedia....ollege_football GMG!

I believe the powerful bloc of eastern sportswriters (who seemedly never give SBC's better football teams in years past a vote) and the courts will keep the Big East in the AQ business for a long time. Is the NCAA wanting to be an Indian giver all of a sudden? I think the NCAA will work with the Big East to help them out just fine..................IMHO, of course.

The Big 12 is sorta' showing all their GMG!