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...the difference is 500 seats. (Segments of this post inspired from a thread on the M & G board) The Wake Forest U stadium seats 31,500. I was surprised with that capacity inasmuch that they are in one of the Big 6 BCS conferences, ie, the ACC (still obviously all about basketball). Is this good P.R. or what for visiting opponent's AD's, Presidents, Staff and.....media? "In January 2007, construction began on Deacon Tower, a massive seven-story pressbox that is situated on the west side of the stadium. Deacon Tower, which was built at a cost of $48 million, houses luxury suites, club seats, boxes for the University President, home and visiting athletic directors and print and electronic media" Read that they also had several seasons in a row now of 7 home games. http://www.wakefores...ake-groves.html Prediction: "IF" we get in the Alliance, North Texas will (within 5 years) need to expand Apogee another 9,000 seats to 40,000 capacity (which would also help us getting more of the TAMU's, UT's, OSU's, KSU's, Nebrasks (yes, the Cornhuskers), etc, etc, etc, into Denton for some great non-conference match-ups; you know, sorta' like UTSA's future home schedule in the AlamoDome? With the luxury hotel/conference center which will be built inside the Mean Green Village (near Apogee Stadium) on the way, all this happening is really just a case of, uh.................Good Timin'. http://www.youtube.c...ng&feature=fvsr GMG!

Al, I don't think the schedule is out yet. In fact, I don't think it has been completed. Syracuse has 2 openings in their 2012 schedule. One of their alums said "I wouldn't even mind going to Denton, Texas, to play a game." Hope our powers that be will check into that one. GMG!

The above thread title content on this message board was not created by anyone on GMG.com but rather a creation from a poster on the CUSA board. The TSU-SM "market too small" part of the article came from the SA Express-News reporter. Actually, I would disagree with the reporter that the TSU-SM market is too small, but it just happens to only be 18 miles from....The University. NOTE: North Texas & FIU are mentioned in a good light in this SA Express-News article. Not sure why FAU or MTSU are not. And FIU? In deed, this really must be all about TV markets since many of us see FAU or MTSU with more across the board upside with better facilities. I think UNT hit a grand slam home run with Apogee Stadium, folks. http://www.mysananto...als-3338113.php GMG!

(In response to GL2Greatness manifesto) With all that then why aren't yall in the Ivy League for heaven's sake? You have impressed all except our expected 37,000 enrollment for this Fall and 209,000 North Texas Exes living in the DFW Metroplex (and that among 300,000 plus world-wide alums). I'm going to venture out here with this but I will bet few will be persuaded to join the Bobcat Club based on your numbers and figures. We're impressed. You need to go impress those in the Sun Belt Conference now who will do the voting come expansion time. Yet any school can find links to give it a lead on any other said school or to fit an agenda, but keep in mind these leads can only be of a temporary variety, especially when it versus a school like the main campus of the DFW- based UNT System. (We are not a one horse town here). Endowment can fluctate just as quickly upward as they can downward and said school's investments have much to do with that. We just had an alum from Southeast Asia who gave UNT $20 million of which that is pocket change for what the man is worth and its been said that he will have much more for North Texas in the future and with that man's kind of monies it can very quickly become a game-changer in the area of a school's endowment coffers. I do like your stadium but not too crazy about a track being inside it. We've been there-done that one. GMG!

I think 7 losing seasons in a row had much to do with taking much of the glitter off Apogee Stadium's debut year. DFW still has that "winner's town" attitude and Denton is part of that same culture, too, since so many of our students and alums live in DFW. Denton had about 25,000 pop. and UNT an enrollment of about 14,000 when Steve Ramsey was our QB. Our demographics have changed a bit since. I loved SMU AD Russ Potts Mustang-Mania......"an empty seat cannot buy a hotdog" attitude...... and their football ticket give-away program back in the late 70's, but SMU did not retain many of those "free ticket fans" as I feared they would not. I have no idea what percent of UTSA crowd estimates were freebies or if they even had to count actual fans entering the AlamoDome with computerized hand counters, either. Year 4 and that fourth year being the 4'th losing season in a row for UTSA will be the year they find out what their true fan base is. They will only have 1 Spring/Summer to sell or give away tickets between Year 3 and Year 4, ie, not the same amount of time they had for Year 1 with the novelty of a brand new product to promote. With their impressive upcoming home schedules (HINT! HINT! UNT!) they will have some games when the traveling fans out-number the UTSA fans, but that's OK, too, since that used to happen quite regularly at many of the SWC private schools stadiums. We averaged a bit over 18,000 per game after our 7'th losing season in a row. This is probably the base we can build on with more expected growth in and around campus and the region we are based. Our DFW metroplex-influenced culture on campus is one that supports a winnner and shows for schools we know about. (Most SBC schools do not fit that mold). I'm impressed with what UTSA did free tickets or no free tickets. They outdrew UH and SMU, too, who both had winning seasons and went to bowl games, too Both of those schools could have used larger stadiums if they had wanted to. (I read on UH's board today that they are now unsettled on where they will even build a new stadium--on campus or somewhere off I-45). I prefer a rivalry with the school from the Alamo City than any other in the state (except all the former SWC schools and UTEP, of course). I have no idea how many traveling fans UTSA would have since they are still just out of their inaugural football season, but I know North Texas fans would flock to the Alamo City because it is a great destination city for fans and tourists, too. We once took almost 20,000 traveling Mean Green fans to DKR Memoral Stadium back in the day only to lose to UT 17 to 14. UTSA will for sure be an interesting study the next few years and if they continue with their big crowds, it might be time for North Texas to make a few job offers for those responsible, but many of us can rest assure that limited free tickets would only be part of a football marketing program in Denton. GMG!

Again.....if thru all this latest episode of an NCAA Keystone re-alignment comedy we still somehow remain in the Sun Belt Conference, we will merely re-evaluate our goals and work to get back to being the North Texas that dominated the SBC and being its New Orleans Bowl representative in its first 4 years. Not being in this or any other alliance will not be the end of the world for the University of North Texas because we still have warp speed growth happening at both our school as well as the city, county and region of our school's location. I'm also sure our UNT leaders will be able to translate all this new growth into new fans in due time; we also have game-changing facilities with our new (track-less) football stadium that is strategically placed at the creme de la creme of all college football stadium locations; that is, between 2 Texas interstates, ie, a location that all but begs some of those 100,000 who drive by our Apogee Stadium on a daily basis and of which many of us could speculate that even a few of that group would be present Texas HS/Oklahoma HS football stars who could very well say: "Take that Bonnie Brae exit, Joe, and lets take an up close look at that stadium." Wouldn't it be easy to say that all the "Joe's" out there would I'm sure discover what many of us did when viewing the stadium from either Interstate and that is how that view (as impressive as it is) hardly does our stadium the justice that an up close and personal view of the stadium will do every time. It will still be (somewhat) fun and entertaining to be speculators and posters on sports message boards (which will never cease) with never-ending point/counter points on what school(s) will go (or stay) at whatever conference. One can speculate if in today's NCAA there will ever be any conference that will keep its same members for any length of time but that (among a million other subjects) is why sports & school message boards exists, right? GMG!

Many of us on this board saw 10,700 in the Super Pit for UNT vs. SMU, circa ???? A great game and win for North Texas, too. GMG!

With all that is between the lines of your post...we can feel your pain. We were in the same place about 30 years ago. Get ready for a lengthy, wild and bumpy ride. History? This old coach knows our history. Heck, we played his Miami Hurricane team in 1980; in fact, played them quite well. http://youtu.be/GzlvY65vvQI This! (the first of many to come) http://youtu.be/mtBKaoXmTe0 GMG!

The MWC wants it cake, ice cream and in fact, wants it all. They are doing to CUSA like a gent' who tells his lady that she'll be good enough to marry until a prettier one comes along at which time his present lady is history. I still wish CUSA would remain apart from this kind of MWC consortium. They already seem to be playing the part of bully toward CUSA which begs the question: Does this bode well for a future marriage between the 2 leagues short or long term? GMG!

May I quote you NM Green? "I have nothing against UTSA or TSU, but we should be aspiring to join a conference with established progams like AF, Tulsa, UTEP, UNM, UNLV, Fresno, Southern Miss and Tulsa. Nothing against MTSU, the Cajuns and Arkie State but we are in a different tier than some of the programs that want to join the party." I agree, maybe not so much on the SBC 3 but the other part. All this happening in the NCAA today in conference re-alignment is dog eat dog time and hardly a time for the feint of heart. There will always be a pecking order because that is the nature of mankind and has been since the beginning of time. Look at the pecking order scenarios that create various soci-economic classes in our American society today such as private schools versus public schools; rich versus poor; Highland Park versus a manufactured housing neighborhood; SMU versus UNT; UNT versus TSU-San Marcos; TSU-SM versus Midwestern State/Angelo State and the beat goes on. If North Texas gets in this Alliance which all indicators say we will, it will be the first time for all of us that we have finally gotten some semblance of satisfaction because we'd be part of a consortium of like schools with good NCAA D1 histories (as Coach Howard Schnellenberger has even pointed out that North Texas has) and will be the best "feel good" moment in many of us older nestor's lives as far as North Texas athletics is concerned. If we somehow remain in the SBC, we will just re-evaluate our goals and just try to get back to being the North Texas that dominated the 'Belt in its first 4 years. It will not be the end of the world because we still have game-changing facilities with our gol' darned new football stadium strategically located at the best gol' darned location (between 2 Texas interstates for heavens sake) than any NCAA D1 school in the Southwest and beyond. Because of the NCAA's always functioning (with all pistons running) pecking order modus operendi and an M.O. which is as prevalent at the NCAA FBS level as comparable to any other business or group in our society today, UNT has been blocked , black-balled (and you who say we have not seem to have somehow forgotten SMU president Turner's well documented in the Dallas Morning News push for La Tech over UNT last CUSA re-alignment round in this multi-decade saga; nevertheless, we've also been piled on/quadruple teamed non-stop, too, from ever gettting in any other conference we of North Texas have coveted for the past 40 years. Hayden Fry's North Texas wanted in the Southwest Conference, but the private school's part of the Southwest Conference did not want Fry's North Texas in their social club, but now more than ever we all know the reasons why. It's just the way mankind operates and has (again) since the beginning of time and few will ever break that natural order of human conduct any time soon, either. For those schools who want all this to instantly happen for their schools all that many of us would tell them now is get a score card and plan on using it for quite a few years especially in that game called NCAA re-alignment because it's for certain, we of North Texas still have our score card out and have no real idea what will happen in the 4'th quarter of all going on in NCAA re-alignment as of today. GMG!

That would be SWC back in the day and I was just echoing as a student (back then) what our AD Fry was campaigning for..............but some of the posters on the CUSAbbs board should try to be as accurate with figures as they can even rounding off some of the numbers if need be the case. But for one school to say our endowment is not CUSA-worthy and here is North Texas tens of millions of dollars ahead of their school is a bit on the far-fetched side to me. Oh well... GMG!

You caught me on that one, Emmitt! Should have read "a thread probably not long for this board" thread. Too early E01 as I haven't had my own Gerbers and my adult diaper probably needs to be checked out by Nurse Ratchett..

Probably a short thread here and Harry feel free to remove it if you want in light of the subject but... why do so many posters on the CUSAbbs message board use old stats concerning North Texas when more updated ones that show better numbers for our school are available? Is it always about CUSA'ers fitting "their" agenda of schools and the "their" I post about are mostly eastern schools that eastern CUSA schools (all 2 of them) who seem to be constantly pushing a bunch of FCS schools that they want in "their" Alliance. The CUSAbbs board also has this non-stop goading of non-Alliance members by posting threads comparing non-Alliance schools and when some of the non-CUSA posters try to corrrect their poor skewed research they get accused of pimping their schools? LOL! The 2 most the time guilty are posters from Marshall U and ECU who are like pimples on an other-wise super model's face. You know, as in those 2 zits are just out of place and just probably really shouldn't be there? Yet even worse is how 2 eastern foreigners seem to have apponted themselves as "Chairman of the Board" of what is still going to be a central USA/mountain west based new conference. It's like politicians in Sacramento, CA, telling Texans how we should run our business. And then you have one of the poor cluless Marshall U posters who has his Coal Miner Daughter's Country school having more endowment coffers than North Texas when figures from reliable sources state that we trump his school's endowment coffer by tens of millions. Then this same MU poster ventures out with another off the wall stat saying the North Texas athletic budget is not worthy of Alliance consideration? . (FACT: UNT's and Marshall U's athletic budgets are almost equal so with his philosophy maybe his school should just drop out and go back to the marveolous MAC and be among their own)? Then you have a few obviously "desparate" La Tech posters who will post anything false at the drop of a hat and seem to enjoy doing it for sport, also their having apparent problems posting accurate stats that they must actually think will enable them to gain CUSA smack board poster's favor but with those who will not be within 500 miles of the conference table where the voting of expansion schools will take place. NOTE: La Tech's latest angle is how their being under LSU's system umbrella should be the clincher in the Dawgs getting into the Alliance. It's hilarious and almost entertaining to read some of their "from the far side" posts. A Subtle Hint To All La Tech'sters: Get out your best sun glasses for your bright new future in the Sun Belt Conference. As Dragnet's Joe Friday Would Say: Just The Facts, Maam: I know, consider what some of these conference message boards many times degenerate into with their lack of true fact-finding and wreckless research, but it still gripes my constitution when obvious updated stats are being over-looked while older stats are continuously being posted to fit a hardy handful of agendas; and most of the time...the agendas of 2 eastern Alliance school's posters. FACT IS: One of these CUSA schools do not want a University of North Texas operating with all pistons runnning in their league because they just don't want to compete against a large market school who just might steal some of their thunder.....ing herd. GMG!

Uh, you mean have a Band Day?!?!? The 1'st annual Bands Over Texas in 1982 was the last annual Bands Over Texas. It was actually quite a success as the Highland Park Scots HS band took most of the honors that Game Day. It should have been continued but the late Robert A. Winslow (Green Brigades Director) didn't want to do it so UNT missed another great opportunity. SilverEagle has said former marching band director Maurice McAdow had some great Band Days at UNT but that mostly before my time. (SE is much older than me)! LOL! Growing up in the Houston area UH used to have some humongous Band Days in the Astrodome with as many as 13,000 bandsmen at a UH/NC State game which I attended. Lou Holtz was the Wolfpacks head football coach in that era. The Tonight Show's Doc Severinsen was the guest conductor. A Band Day today might be almost impossible with all the added red tape in today's public schools. GMG!

It was Bobby Bowden's first year as I recall. It was a fun game in the snow that day. GMG!

And the all time pioneer for women sports broadcasting on NFL Today, ie, the great Phyliss George, too. She of Denton HS and UNT fame as well. Seems Phyliss also won a Miss America title along the way too. GMG!

Most of the insecurity I see in this thread is coming from another poster who seems intent on converting us all to become honorary TSU-SM alumnus with an over-sell of his product. I think TSU-SM has a fine school as I believe the rest of you do as well as it is. I get your point, though, UNT90, but if we get left out of this Alliance (and I really don't see it happening because of our location and their need for our TV market) I would want to have Craig Thompson come to campus (wearing his bullet proof vest and all) and explain each and every reason why to a tee. GMG! r

Again, this all should not be so easy for those 2. Let them have half the experience of paying the same dues North Texas has had to pay the last 40 years and then lets revisit the two after that. Both are lucky that the Sun Belt will even be available to them; in fact, they are damn lucky GMG! PS: Some of us might tell some of the Bobcat elect that last time Dennis Francione was at SWT that he applied for the North Texas job and really wanted it bad when we pulled another boner and hired the former HFC of Marshall HS, ie, one Dennis Parker. I hope that Coach McCarney in his first year and progress seen in that first year of following a disastrous hire 6 year prior that future hires for HFC at North Texas will have similar skins on the wall that both he and his hero and mentor Hayden Fry had when we hired both of them. I don't think we ever need to go back to the multi-decade failed bid or practice of hiring assistant coaches because our record indicates that that kind of hire has never worked out at UNT in my lifetime. HINT: We've never had one to leave Denton with more wins than losses is at the top of that indicator list. And personally, I hope we don't have to talk about hiring any new HFC for another 10 or 15 years. GMG ! !

Kept the Spanish'esque look. Me and Marty Robbins love it! http://youtu.be/GgI5DMVegIk

Maybe I've missed something along the way, but when did the state of Texas or the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board officially designate any Texas State University System campus (SHSU, SFASU or TSU-SM) as an official emerging public or urban research university? I've often said the San Marcos school seems to have used UNT as their model of leaving a teacher's college past behind and I think they've succeeded in doing that but their location in the shadows of UT-Austin will always be a negative plus their TV market will never do for them what ours has done for SMU and apparently from all indicators will soon enough do for the University of North Texas. I think there is a bit of frustration on the TSU-SM Bobcat poster's part inasmuch as just when he (and I'm sure a few of his fellow Bob'catters') thought their school had finally caught up being in the same University of North Texas athletic neighborhood, but he now sees that we are most likely going to be part of this Alliance and it will be his school that will probably spend the next 4 or 5 decades caught somewhere between a FCS/FBS purgatory or existence as they look for their place in the college football world. I think some of us would even call that "a paying of dues?" Sometimes life as far as the NCAA is concerned is just not fair. GMG! PS: TSU-SM really seems to be putting all their eggs into having one home game with Texas Tech. It will come and it will go, but they will still have Aquarena Springs and Arnold the Flying Pig is it?

A Re-Post To Our Friends From Texas State-SM and UTSA: History and legacy will not buy too many cups of coffee in today's NCAA but still it is important to have them and to have them at the NCAA's highest level of competition. No, UNT never won a National Championship since the modern era of NCAA Division 1 began in the 1950's, but we were hardly chopped liver during that era of so very few bowl games and our existence even in the shadows of the Southwest Conference. For what it's worth, history, legacy or whatever you want to call it and our shared #5 ranked TV market is what (basically) got SMU into Big East. Bottom-feeder you say? Well, SMU is a school with about 3 winning seasons the last 25 years and that did not stop Big East officials from giving the Mustangs an invite and (again) the #5 (soon to pass Philly' and be #4) ranked TV market will probably get North Texas in the Alliance, too, if all our recent indicators prove to be true. North Texas: Hardly A Notre Dame-Type Legacy--But At Least...A Legacy Dating Back To The 1950's To The Present At The NCAA's Highest Level (except for 12 years in 1-aa). Where were most other schools in the NCAA presently in "non AQ" (non BCS) leagues in the 1950's--the beginning of the modern era of NCAA football? Is a school's legacy that important? I would say it would be especially if that school developed its brand which most in the present non AQ/non-BCS did not (including our school, ie, North Texas). S M U truly doesn't have many winning seasons in the last 2 1/2 decades, doesn't have many fans for a bowl team (and that the prime reason June Jones will eventually leave SMU) but............. ........SMU does have a brand that was developed in the 1930's and 1940's and that is why the Big East chose SMU (poor attendance and all) rather than choosing some CUSA or MWC schools who are more deserving with some of those schools kicking butt at the turnstiles with numerous winning seasons in their past, too. It's all about a school's brand, folks--this is today's NCAA and most of us do not have it because of what we "were not" doing in the 1930's and 1940's in intercollegiate football. . 2 Eras which occurred before the Hayden Fry Era at North Texas which was during most of the 70's and those 2 eras which is North Texas football legacy beginning in the modern era of the NCAA. The 1950's began in a most eventful way when the University of North Texas administration led by its school president, ie, Dr. Carl Matthews would lead the way in the state of Texas (and the Southwest) to integrate and that with the first 2 blacks, namely, one who many would call the American Football League's (AFL) first bonafide superstar, ie, the great Abner Haynes and his good friend, (now) Dr. Leon King whose college career was not as celebrated as Haynes. They both enrolled at North Texas in the mid 1950's after graduating from Dallas Lincoln High School 1'st Significant Era At North Texas In The NCAA's Modern Era: This mid-1950's North Texas football team led by Time Magazine All American Abner Haynes also played at the highest level of NCAA back then and that era which would later be called the beginnings of the modern era of NCAA college football. The level North Texas played in the early 50's was not College Division, NCAA Division II, NCAA III or NAIA, it was (once again) the highest level of NCAA football competition during that era. NT Athletics Hall of Famer, Texas Sports Hall of Famer and Kansas City Chief Hall of Honor inductee Abner Haynes would take his North Texas team to the 1959 Sun Bowl in his senior year. Owner Lamar Hunt would sign Haynes to the (then) Dallas Texans in the end zone of our former football stadium, Fouts Field. The Texans would soon become the KC Chiefs. 2'nd Significant Era At North Texas: The Mean Joe Greene Years It was mostly Houston and North Texas who were integrating their Texas inter-collegiate football teams long before SMU intregated with Jerry Levias in 1965. The Joe Greene led Mean Green would play in a "bowl-less" Missouri Valley Conference which included Houston, Tulsa, Cincinatti, Memphis, Louisville and others. Joe Greene's Era at North Texas had 3 or 4 #1 draft choices but their most signifcant game may have been a loss against Frank Broyles' Arkansas Razorbacks. The late Ron Shanklin who was another Mean Green NFL high draft choice wide receiver said several Arkansas Razorbacks called him years later to tell him "Sorry, Ron, but you guys really won that game against us and that end of game home cookin call which robbed your team of a winning TD was as embarrassing to us as anyone--except the SWC refs, of course." That North Texas "home cookin' referried" loss was against that top ranked 1968 Arkansas Razorback football team and yes, a loss, but that was the quality of Mean Green football back in the 1960's and during the Mean Joe Greene Era. 3'rd Significant Era At North Texas: That was the Hayden Fry Era which would probably give our program more true national notoriety than any that preceded it but it would end too soon as Fry left for Iowa and the Big 10 after 6 years in Denton and a just 2 or 3 years later the North Texas administration making the biggest mistake in our athletic history when it chose to wave the white flag and go down to the next level which would be called NCAA D1-AA. We are still in recovery from those little over 10 years in college football purgatory truth be known but the recovery is still happening now with our new Apogee Stadium, an expected upsurge in Texas HS Rivals recruiting due to our new stadium and a dramatic boost in our football budget beginning in 2012. It's really all good and getting better plus the TV market our school resides is not too shabby, either, since it will eventually do for UNT what it has done for SMU. GMG!

What album are they getting their background music for all their YouTube Apogee Stadium productions from? Whatever/whoever it is...I want that album (CD). GMG!

Yet Metroplex and well respected national sports media type Norm Hitzhges has said the very same thing with the "why not, North Texas" as the next Boise and Norm is not one to loosely throw such rose petals around. Most of us are all but tired of hearing the "potential" thing but want our school to go places its actually been before even back in the days when a totally unknown Boise State had a (no kiddin') truck driving school on its campus. History? North Texas still has the (well beyond SBC/present day WAC level) history that even Boise State doesn't have beginning in the 1950's with a Sun Bowl team leading up till the day Hayden Fry left for the Big 10 but still..... we have been like Baylor U pre-Grant Teaff's arrival and TCU pre-Jim Wacker/Coach Fran's arrival and those 2 schools with much more eventful histories than ours stayed dormant for much too long, but "Wala!" bot schools finally, finallly, finally.......... "got it" and then bloomed. Many of us on this board told the deaf ears of UNT leadership over 30 years ago how a new (non track) football stadium with updated ammenities would do wonders for Mean Green football and thus, the entire athletic program and who knows, may have prevented our almost 40 year walk in the wilderness which included too many years in 1-AA but.....that was yesterday and yesterday's gone. History you say? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=GzlvY65vvQI GMG!

Someone's already posted something similar as this below on this board or another forum but: (1) Do the TV advertisers want in a market with 2,000,000 TV sets and get 10% of that market? (2) Or..... do they want in a market with 100,000 TV sets and get 10% of that market to sell their widgets? GMG!

Last time CUSA checked us out for membership with venerable Fouts Field still hanging 'round our neck it was "close but no cigar." I think with North Texas being in the #5 (soon to be #4) ranked U.S. TV market, our new Apogee Stadium, the Super Pit and the whole damn Mean Green Village gives us the cigar this time. We know of a handful from CUSA who have been up there since Apogee's debut and the common thread phrase for each is how they are completely blown away by what they've seen. At the Apogee Stadium debut game, another alum and I steered the UH Cougar's "H Club" president (who was lost on campus) to Apogee doing our best chamber of commerce'esque (but not over the top) bit in a walk from the Super Pit parking area. He could not believe how much of UH's athletic history I knew until I told him I grew up a Coog fan; anyway, we took the UH exec across I35-E into to the MG Village and the look in his eyes said it all and then as we arrived to the stadium proper his comment of " this is really something out here that your school has built."showed me we had one of our very first CUSA converts (even though UH will soon go Big East). If North Texas were in a small to medium market it would be a 100% "no go" but in my wildest dreams I cannot see this league omitting the biggest (present) TV market hole that just happens to be smack dab in the middle of these 2 leagues geographical footprint out of this alliance. I think TV execs will help them out on deciding this (if it hasn't already been decided which I think it has) just like they did with SMU and the Big East. Just sayin'... GMG! Below is a new YouTube "Great Moments At Apogee's 1'st Season) from the MGRN. (Where do they get their music for these--it's excellent). http://www.youtube.c...h?v=j98uEfInqRg (I know home crowds in conference games that count against the likes of Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, etc, will get more of our fans and alums out with their own traveling fans many of whom live and work in the DFW Metroplex--this could be so great for all of us).