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Well thank you very much for that, KRAM1. Actually, according to the "mom-host" (it was a birthday for Junior) a good time was had by all. "After you Charlie...........After You Martin" (line from the YouTube video and from the John Wayne classic "The Searchers" before.....well, er' uh, watch the video, dammit )

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/teams/nt.shtml I rest my case with what the above link indicates which is mostly what what we've been getting at North Texas for too many years--too many of the most recent years truth be told. I say it again: This would not be allowed to happen for this long a time at most NCAA FBS outposts and most of you on this board know this as much as anyone. I've read your posts, too. We are no better off today in attendance growth than when we were after they year we won a bowl game although the UNT constituency has grown each year substantially since that year was back in the early 2,000's. There is something grossly wrong with a program that has witnessed such growth all around our campus the last 15-20 years to just keep staying the same in numbers of fans. The above link which will not register with some on this board no matter what it says still tells the tale of North Texas football (and athletics in general) for many, many of the past years in Denton. It's does not make for good reading material at all-not even the kind you want to read on the toilet albeit those multi-year records from the link and the aroma from the Toilet Bowl would have much in common. WE DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT UNT, FOLKS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE UPPER ECHELON LEADERS WHO CANNOT SEEM TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOOD NCAA ATHLETIC PROGRAM AND ONE THAT REEKS WITH MEDIOCRITY AND HAS FOR YEARS. IT'S ALL ON RECORD FOR ALL TO SEE FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO SEE IT AND ADMIT THAT THERE ARE DEFINITE PROBLEMS THAT NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GET ADDRESSED.. SOME OF OUR SMALL THINKING ALUMS WHO CANNOT SEE THE TREES FOR THE FOREST ARE AS MUCH THE PROBLEM AS THE ONES PAID WHO KEEP CREATING OUR ANNUAL (now into decades) PROBLEMS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS. ONE ALUM TOLD ME WE GET WHAT WE ASK FOR WHICH SEEMS TO NOT BE VERY MUCH. Have to go DJ an event now so I an keep paying those taxes! Have A Nice Day! and........GMG!

So what would be the appropriate time to post that our leadership in the UNT athletic department continues to suck at what they do? Compare season ticket sales from 1 year after a bowl win (2003) compared to today AND...........attendance figures from that same year to this year--even in our 2'nd year at Apogee Stadium when all of the newcomers at UNT, Denton and Denton County should be knocking the doors down to go watch our fine varsity football players (of which I think Coach Mac will turn his part of all this athletic department business around, quite frankly). It's not our varsity football players or Coach Mac I am posting about at all. Yet...........you really are a newbie, now aren't you? Give all this another 10 years (which is what this admin could very well approve with this group with pay raises and contract extensions and that for those who keep our season ticket sales down because they never set goals nor have the personnel that could reach them if they did, and then you, too, sir, will change your entire tune. I work most Saturdays as a professional DJ and (like a Jewish Rabbi or 7'th Day Adventist preacher) Saturdays seems to most always be my work days. Sue me for being a tax-payer who now works to help take care of all the generational slackers who've been around longer than before this present regime in Washington in fairness to them. Been a supporter since 1973--Hayden Fry's first game to coach for the Mean Green was my first as a (then) UNT student to attend but.....................the last 15 or years we've all seen so little return of our investment (which many of us still kickin' actually saw close to 40 years ago with 2 UNT HFC's who actually left Denton above. 500) yet so little return lately with a program at a respectul level (even at just a Top 50 ranked NCAA FBS level). Right now I'm paying higher than hell med bills at age 62 so North Texas (still being the toy section of the department store of life for most of us) will have to take a back seat. I utterly admire you who still continue to throw your good money after what we should all know by now has no momentum whatsoever as an athletic department--I really do and that is no B.S. with that statement, either. So UNTnewbie' and others who can't see the trees for the forest with all this, just give all this more time and you will see what most of us on this board have seen for years, hell, for decades (and call it for what its worth no matter how that will keep those of us who who question "the Emperor Who Wore No Clothes from ever being recipients of the UNT Ulys Knight Spirit Award. GMG! PS: Minus the politics, TTG. -1....And yes, athletic dept. types at UNT do read Harry's Mean Green. They could "hear" some of this at those promised quarterly meetings that never materialized because I assure you what I have to say is tame compared to others I've heard last few years. Ask not and you receive not, fellow alums.

Over the weekend, MTSU’s 8-4 football team was snubbed by a bowl 24 hours after playing for the Sun Belt championship. The Little Caesars Pizza Bowl instead chose Western Kentucky, which had a worse overall record (7-5) and conference record and lost head-to-head to MTSU. _____________________________________________________ Talk about your basic chicken caca move from Karl Benson and the SBC folks. And then trying to jack up the exit fee from $1 mil, to $10 mil upon hearing about MTSU & FAU impending invite to CUSA? You SBC supporters still glad we're singing kum-bah-yah around Benson's camp fire? UNT and MWC? I just don't concur with North Texas genuflecting to the rest of the Texas FBS level or regional schools in the name of close-by games or more traveling fans to Apogee. Out of over 7,000,000 citizens in the Metroplex with UNT still having the largest constituency of any Texas-based school in our region I still don't understand all these decades later why we can't hire people like UTSA hired who could easily take advantage of our warp speed growth last 2 decades and put 31,000 in Apogee without blinking an eye no matter how sub par a product we've had in Denton of late. FWIW....if we have 31,000 each home game we don't concern ourselves with traveling fans. Hell, UT-Austin most always sold old against North Texas as I recall. TCU never wanted to hold hands with long time metroplex rival SMU or the rest of us by playing every school in Texas out of just being good ol boys from Cowtown but chose the MWC (leaving SMU and UH behind) which later culminated into a Rose Bowl berth and then, subsequently, a Big 12 invite. Why? ? ? ? ? ? ? Because TCU the last 10 or so years always made decisions to do what was best for TCU--not what was best for the brotherhood of Texas intercollegiate football which they probably saw as something that would eventually water down their product. The Horned Frogs sought exclusivity for their athletic program and they got it---seems to many of us that it paid off, too. I don't think North Texas has the leadership now to get us in a bonafide dog fight so MWC is probably completely out of the question, but it is we alums and fans who will have to live with their passativity in this long after they retire or leave our school and for us their becoming another fool-hearted memory. We finally got into CUSA not on our record or pro-activity (since they turned us down before) but only because SMU left CUSA and the Stangs' leaving CUSA with a huge geographical hole in DFW. If SMU doesn't leave CUSA--North Texas is still in the Sun Belt today and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. GMG!

One can only wonder how many more times re-alignment takes place (now or in the future) that North Texas will stlll not be positioned with an authentic, bonafide NCAA FBS level athletic program whereas it would be North Texas being talked up by those doing the talking. We are nowhere to be found or mentioned as a legit candidate for MWC in most other message board discussions on the MWC situation. Like our UNT athletic officials who say they "NEVER" read this board? Don't kid yourself, they do (or they have others who read this board for them) and rest assured so do conference commissioners just like the MWC's Craig Thompson. No doubt it was location (but mostly SMU leaving) which helped us with CUSA but this next movement seems to be about programs that have some semblance of success at a reasonable NCAA FBS level and (once again) that doesn't come close to describing our alma mater. One has to marvel how long all this has still been allowed to continue in Denton because (truth be told) we were not ready or positioned at other times when CUSA expanded. We've had all the red flags for years concerning why we are looked upon and judged harshly at times, but in Denton that usually translates into pay raises and extended contracts--almost a guarantee that no other NCAA FBS program operates this way and if they did most schools do whatever it takes to improve their product, maybe even hiring new, energetic, un-jaded talent who have a record of success and a genuine appreciation of the customer base.

The DFW Metroplex and Houston are very important to MWC Commish' Craig Thompson, the MWC and their dire needs to increase their present woefully lean TV market. So I would all but wager he is using Rice U and North Texas as pawns to get SMU and UH to $hi& or get off the pot if they ever want in the Mountain West Conference and may be telling them they need to act now or forget it in the future. Maybe not--maybe so. GMG!

Still.......unless I've missed it North Texas seems to be no more mentioned in any of this MWC talks probably because of the 3 ring circus our athletic program continues to be. Location (hardly our record) was our only ally in the CUSA move from the SBC but this MWC thing seems to be about "established" athletic programs that have had some semblance of success by mostly schools that Top 25 rankings have not been a total stranger. (Yes, Rice U has been mentioned, too, and would be the exception with that). And I have to ask the question: Does this continued scenario of an annual totally impotent and lack-luster athletic program in Denton piss off anyone else on this board? Serious response on that question (if any) but no smart A$$ remarks from the usuals in the GMG.com peanut section of which most of that group have never seen a UNT HFC who left Denton with at least a .500 career W/L record. Amazingly, I don't even think most at UNT even see the MWC as a move upward albeit was for TCU who went to a Rose Bowl as MWC football champion. Anyone see this happening in the new CUSA anytime soon? If I were to be wrong about this concerning UNT & the MWC I would be the first to admit it or even eating crow would be my choice of menu if I end up being wrong about this MWC thing for UNT but I don't think I will have to concern myself with any of that at all. There are solutions to each of our problems at North Texas, folks, there really is, but the (forever) "good ol' boys network" and certain athletic department employees sucking up to key UNT Board of Regent members will have to completely disappear from the Mean Green scene in order for the Mean Green Nation to get the solutions to our long-running problems. GMG!

Not near enough and how much did you give to the Salvation Army the last 10 years if we need to star getting personal on this board again which is where some of our youngest, dumbest and the most clueless concerning the illustrious history of our school's athletic program seem to always go when they mostly. have nothing else. Sorta' like those who use the race card when they have..............nothing else? Speaking of which............ I actually heard a young white man (early 20's) at McDonalds the other day actually say he couldn't get a job because he felt it was actually because of his race. I thought I had heard it all after that one. I told him................go get yourself a freakin' job anyway and become one of us tax-payers so you can help the rest of us take care of the 52% who don't pay taxes. (Seems that 52% did show up at en mass at the polls last November, though). Digress? Hell, I'm in my 60's now and have the right to do that more than ever. For what its worth, I work most of the time on Game Day since that is what DJ's do on Saturdays but I seem to not be alone since there are more UNT alums who don't go to games (who could with their schedules) than those who do looking at our attendance numbers the last 10 years (specifially) where North Texas (in spite of our sky-rocketing growth) seemed to have not made any increases at all as I look at the box scores. Sadly, even that with a new football stadium which is so telling of our present leadership for those who have the ability to observe (AND) admit such things which are so few on this forum. Since 1973, I have attended my share of North Texas football games--and in hindsight, should have probably spent more time doing much more important things quite frankly. Should I ask you how many games you've attended in that same timeline albeit I'd bet you may not have even been born during that time is my guess? PMG is not the problem with North Texas athletics and it's plain for those who don't have their heads up their butts who and what the problems are at our Mean Green Retirement Center and forever goverment employees up there who seem to spend way too much of their time buttering each other's bread while the non-stop mediocrity continues by the decades now. While this seems to have been the norm in Denton, many of us Old Fart Alums have seen so many schools pass us by athletically we need new score cards to keep up. Now on deck to do the same are UTSA and TSU-SM. (So red number that one if that also gets some of your panties in a wad because personally--I dont' give a shit what some of you think about one person's opinion, but as a UNT graduate I do care that the school progresses but with the right personel in place for it to have half a chance to do so). Now do you really want to know how I feel about all going on in Denton after about 40 years of this? I am not too shy to tell you. Have A Nice Day! .

You and the Fueher have been punked with this off topic of thread title shit. It is the only way I can get that special Chris Matthew'esque tingle down my pants legs I guess. Feels so good.

http://espn.go.com/c...ach-sources-say The greatest disappointment for many of us who have followed MG athletics for decades is that we are still in no more positition to make a move upward in a conference (if that chance ever came along) but based on our record instead of just our location. Continuous under .500 football seasons and now a basketball program emerging too slowly means there needs to be some changes in Denton at the top--not our head coaches at this time. We have some extremely nice people up there in Denton in athletics who have been gentlemen and cordial to most of us most of the time but they are just not moving our school athletic program forward and there just comes a time when a change is in the best interest of all concerned. One the eve of CUSA (no matter what's left of it) we just need more new ideas and marketing ideas with feet that will make those marketing ideas come to life. We are still a sleeping giant that no one seems to know the first step as to how to get a yawn out of that sleeping giant. GMG!

We all hope our Year 3 in MG Country will be successful, but here is what happened with all these coach's 2'nd years at their respective outposts. This info below from M & G board: Will Muschamp, Florida, $3,000,000. Record: 11-1 BCS #4. Bill Blankenship, Tulsa, $800,000. Record: 10-3 .....C-USA Conference Championship. Dave Doeren, Northern Illinois, $400,000. Record: 12-1...MAC Conference Championship. BCS Buster #16. ......Left to take the NC State Job. Darrell Hazell, Kent State, $324,000. Record: 11-2......Final BCS rank #25. David Shaw, Stanford, $1,000,000 per year. Record: 11-2....BCS final rank #8, Pac 12 Conference Championship. Pete Lembo, Ball State, $400,000. Record: 9-3 Rocky Long, San Diego State, $700,000. Record: 9-3 Mark Hudspeath, U of L Lafayette, $400,000. Record: 8-4 Brady Hoke, Michigan, $2,000,000. Record: 8-4......Final BCS rank #19. Al Golden, Miami (FL), $1,500,000. Record: 7-5 Dana Holgorson, West Virginia, $1,400,000. Record: 7-5 James Franklin, Vanderbilt, $750,000. Record: 8-4 Paul Chryst, Pitt, $1,750,000. Record: 6-6 Jerry Kill, Minnesota, $1,500,000. Record: 6-6. Hughe Freeze, Ol' Miss, $1,500,000. Record: 6-6 Paul Pasqualoni, Connecticut, $1,600,000. Record: 5-7 Steve Addazio, Temple, $675,000. Record: 4-7 ....Left to take the Boston College Job. Don Treadwell, Miami (OH), $400,000. Record: 4-8 Dan McCarney, North Texas, $600,000. Record: 4-8 GMG!

From CUSAbbs board: A WeatherfordMeanGreen post directed at the usual ones in CUSA heading Big East who think all the new CUSA additions seem to have cooties: Some of you can just keep on re-arranging your (I still choose to use) "non AQ school's" deck chairs & conference scenarios till the cows come home but fact remains you are still a non AQ school in a non AQ conference--just like the kind of conference the rest of us still reside. A Weaker Non AQ Conference Champion ='s BCS Bowl Buster? Are some of you creating conferences that will keep your school from ever having that role; that is, as a BCS Bowl Buster? Sure, the future new bowl arrangement will choose one out of the non AQ conferences group but if you play in a weaker conference (this year the MAC) and maybe even pull off a Top 25 win and then.......go undefeated won't that school get the nod most years or lawyers and courts get ready? Seems Northern Illinois pulled it off this season, now doesn't it to all of you, uh.................. Former Big Time Non AQ Schools Who Think Being In Bed With Each Other (again) Will Help Your School Regain That Old Big Time Magic? And ask SMU and Tulane what the old CUSA consortium of schools (that is, CUSA before all the new schools with apparent cooties were all added last Spring) but ask those 2 schools what the CUSA of the last 15 years did for their home attendance numbers (even during winning seasons) and for what its worth, that is basically the same group of schools that will make up the new Big East. Hint: There will be no changes in the turnstile numbers for most of these non AQ schools no matter what kind of new wrapper they put on their product or how many "former" Big Time Schools are in one conference together---all over again. Bottom line in all this are the Big East schools or any combination of non AQ schools who form a new conference (not likely) are just as stuck in the mud as the rest of us and only TCU has been able to dig themselves out of all this muck and mire and only that because the Big 12 came a-callin'. A Suggestion: Bloom where planted because that is what Northern Illinois did in the MAC and now they are Orange Bowl bound versus the Florida State Seminoles. GMG!

La Tech promotes perception better than we do--always have. They even used their WAC membership to out-recruit North Texas--which they obviously did as we look at recent results that even led to Top 25 rankings for the 'Dawgs. Yet La Tech basically got into CUSA as a small market school based on one year; that is, last year albeit a very successful bowl year for them (even though they lost their bowl game). One successful year as CUSA was looking for newbies? Look at their last 20 years of a Bulldog's W/L roller coaster ride. You have to admire their promotions people who know how to sell their school to conference commissioners. Honestly, I've become a fan of how La Tech has made it happen for their school--almost envious truth be known AND............... If not for our DFW location, UNT would still be a member of the Sun Belt Conference based. on our last 8 to 10 years and I think even "the power of positive thinking's" Norman Vincent Peale would agree with that (if he were alive and a Mean Green fan). Of course, the same could be said for Big East bound Tulane still being in CUSA if not for ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?.....someone please tell me why a school in a city that has (sadly) lost half its population because of Katrina, a T.U. with an enormous 25,000 seat FCS style stadium to be built in a neighbor hood that still doesn't want it built there and the Green Wave's fan base of 500 is walking right into Big East? New Rule: 25 years is as far back that FBS non AQ Conference Commissioners (like the ones in the Big East and MWC) can look at prospective schools who still have "The Name" but haven't done anything significantly with "The Name" athletically for at least 40 to 50 to 60 years; legally, that is. Back To The Dawgs': Also, La Tech coaches recruit as if their jobs depended on it. Apparently, so do ULM's coaches with their well document and anemic athletic budget yet theirs recruiting efforts paying off by beating Arkansas the week the Hogs were ranked #8. Never-ending job security in Denton makes too many in our athletic department (seemedly) want to coast along while waiting for better more upwardly mobile jobs which never seem to come along; meanwhile, our fan base has to suffer for such a "coast along" modus operendi and I think at this moment in time I've not seen our fan base as frustrated as it is now with those running the show in Denton. The Vaunted 4 and 5 Year Plan (or moreso a contract time-buyer for some): North Texas also gets locked into these forever 4 and 5 years plans mostly because of each preceeding UNT HFC's under .500 W/L career in Denton the last 30 plus years and now................ at age 62 (damn! that happened quicker than I ever thought it would) I'm now witnessing about our 5'th or 6'th one of those....4 and 5 years plans, that is. Many of us are still counting on Coach Mac cutting his down to a 3 year plan, but the jury is out on his staff's recruiting if we compare it to even one Lone Star State based school who next year will be the one remaining Sun Belt Conference school in Texas with its uncanny number of 3 star committs compared to UNT's (if they stay committed to the San Marcos school, that is). Some of us do like that Coach Mac has started looking at and signing a few JUCO's because I think a program like UNT's needs to do that for now. I just hope this North Texas job doesn't kill our coach because he has already had one stroke while in Denton and I am a proponent of "no job is worth dying for." Coach Mac is Type A all the way and he just needs to take care of himself. GMG!

My main man was Herman Cain (even over Rick Perry) but he didn't make it to the finish line. GMG! PS: La Tech will now have more pure recruiting time and probably with all the players they are losing wanted the extra time that a bowl game "might" have taken away? Hell, I think I would have still taken the bowl game if I were the Dawgs.

cl_1_2008 beat me by 1 minute on this story,Harry & moderators. Please remove mine. Thanks in advance.

.. ULM in the Independence Bowl. This from the MWC board. http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=44039

Coach Dan McCarney won 2 more games his 2'nd season than the immortal Hayden Fry did his 2'nd year at North Texas---lets hope history will repeat and my bet is on Coach Mac--I just cannot bet beyond much more than him (and our HBB coach is still unpacking his bags to judge him this soon for what that's worth). And let me tell you which local school would never schedule North Texas during the 50's, 60's and 70's because they know we would have kicked their froggie a$$e$ however small a froggie's a$$ would be. GMG!

For Mac's sake I hope Year 3 is the turnaround as some of us have projected it would be. The recruiting services have not given us good grades across the board if one goes by all that they say with their star system. Yet if ever a program needs to have a turnaround it is this program and it is also this athletic department. I actually think they are running out of time as well. Production is still all about ticket sales and booster club membership increases and we have neither at North Texas even with Apogee Stadium. Compare the numbers using both of those aforementioned as barometers first looking at the Year 2003 (after the winning bowl year of 2002) to this year? See what I mean? Someone must have some strategic pics of our Prez and/or BOR's in uncompromising positions to keep their jobs it sometimes seems. (a poor attempt at humor) As a whole and (still) looking at the last 10 years overall records, this athletic department seems to not have to answer to anyone on campus except themselves and runs a pretty loose operation from all of you who go up there and have observed on a normal work day have even suggested on this forum at time. You know, like "where is everyone after 2:00 PM on Friday" issues some of you have posted about? Cut and paste link to top of page address bar and click for the photo. C:Users1Pictures2012-03-28 The RanchnfTRMerererre.jpg And it becomes evident each progressing year that our top echelon leaders seem to run things at North Texas like the beaurocrats in Washington D.C; you know, that place up near Virginia where we (for the most part) send non-businessmen (uh, lawyers are lawyers--usually "not" businessmen) to run the biggest business in the world--the United States of America? And what does any of this have to do with next year? I really think much hangs in the balance with Year 3 in more ways than one, ie, our first year in what will be a much tougher Conference-USA compared to the SBC and if we look at the last 8 years of football in the SBC I think Year 3 for Coach Mac becomes important for more than just him. We need to all hope it does as alumnus and fans quite frankly. Some say it's just a " no facilities" thing at North Texas. Well, we''ve had the Super Pit since 1973 and look how it has been squaundered as a top rate facility since? As Bill Clinton would say as his nose would begin to grow...."Listen to me now"..........it is those you hire that makes your facilities shine--not the facilities and I think we of North Texas know that better today than ever before. The running of this athletic program has been the source of frustration for more UNT alums/fans than just the RV years truth be known. It's almost as if our upper echelon' leaders are at the point of "no one else we can hire (uh, HELLO?) can do better so lets just keep giving who we do have pay raises and contract extenstions--after all, they are good family men and women we have here." If ever a nation of fans and alums deserve more than what we've been getting last few decades it is all of us, ie, the Mean Green Nation. OK, time for the meds and my first cup of Sunday AM coffee. Have A Nice Day! GMG!

That would be a true act of mercy on the Sun Belt's part. And this... C:Users1Pictures2012-03-28 The RanchnfTRMerererre.jpg GMG!

Was getting the auto's oil changed couple of hours ago so I listened to some of the OU/TCU radio broadcast on my way home. One commerical spot that got my immediate attention was a very nice 30 second piece on the University of North Texas Health Science Center but almost drove off the road when the Frog broadcaster added: "UNT Health Science Center: Now sponsors of TCU athletics." I know the different spins that will be made about that but one question some may have is this: Does the UNTHSC sponsor UNT athletics with paid advertisement?

I know this info or data does not fit our narrative and won't ever be on any present UNT athletic types resumes, but during 3 of our bowl years future SBC members Troy AND FAU beat us in each of those 3 years. So if those 2 future SBC schools had been in the SBC when they beat us, well, uh, CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW.......................sunshine, lollypops and ? ? ? ? ? ?

I love that Oiler derrick, Eagle1855. I digress (again) but I once watched Billy Cannon, George Blanda, Don Floyd (ex TCU great), Charlie Tolar, Charlie Hennigan...enuf..... all wearing that helmet in old Robertson (then known as Jeppessen) Stadium. Wonder when UH has their implosion ceremony of that stadium if they haven't already? 2 things to build on in CUSA if we don't go get lucky like we did in CUSA only because of our location (hardly our athletic records of the last 10 years) and when it was a desired conference to be in and our hopefully getting invited to MWC because of (once again) our locatiom. Lest all have already forgotten a TCU football team went to a Rose Bowl as a full fledged member of the MWC). (1) Apogee Stadium: The best of all the new recently built stadiums of the SBC and CUSA from all accounts. Thanks UNT students whose referendum finally passed after a 2'nd attempt, then its passage allowing Apogee to be financed. Also...............thanks HKS architect firm and the BOR's who approved them to design it and not make it another erector set type of stadium which seems popular in Florida. (2). Rice U: The Owls athletic program gives us a trip to Houston every other year in football and basketball which we've never had such a luxury to the Bayou City on a regular basis. Not even in the old Mo' Valley days did we have that since UH was leaving that league as we were joining it. Still, this re-alignment business ain't over with and may never be over with as all the former non-AQ conferences continue to re-arrange the deck chairs according to which schools they think they belong with the most no matter if some of those schools have a football fan base of about 500 like 2 private universities now in the Big East. I guess the crumbs left behind by the NCAA power-brokers even have different levels of quality and what makes most of us want better crumbs. Why not since upward mobility has been a definite trait of most all the taxpayers of this country since its very beginnings. GMG!

We need dramatic changes to create scenarios in Denton as to where we can even throw such a game-winning hail Mary. Just looking at the last 10 years in the Sun Belt & specifically in the daily nuts & bolts operarations, we don't have such a scenario right now. Not really sure why Dr. Rawlins and our BOR's cannot see this as to take action. The record of this athletic department is clear for all to see. (And no, I don't think we fire our head football or basketball coach, either, since they are still all but unpacking their suitcases in Denton and need at least 3 years to really show what they can do). Getting angry is not the same as hatred. Getting angry is a measured response to a perceived negative stimulus. Anger has led to quite a lot of positive outcomes. Cory Blissitte Warning: I don't like "Howard Biel's" usage of the Lords' Name in vain but his YouTube monologue below is one of the most memorable in the annals of cinama history.

I understand the spirit of this thread from super UNT alum & long time friend GrayEagle but just who are stats for? One could ask Cowboy QB Tony Romo for that answer. GMG!

One of the BSU Bronco posters several months ago (before BSU went Big East) said he wanted no part of North Texas (but posted that in a respective, humorous way since he was referring to All Time Series Record between the MG and his Broncos). They started their BCS Buster march in 2000 as our score that years reflects. North Texas is (3-2) against Boise St All Games 1996/11/09 North Texas 30 - Boise St 27 W 1997/10/18 North Texas 14 - Boise St 17 L 1998/10/10 North Texas 21 - Boise St 13 W 1999/10/16 North Texas 17 - Boise St 10 W 2000/10/21 North Texas 0 - Boise St 59 L All we need to do in Denton is to merely catch lightning in a bottle with winning football seasons that last a several decades instead of what we've, uh,....well, nevermind. Damn! That loss to UTA last night was really gave reason to reflect on what kind of future we might have in CUSA, especially based on what we've had in the SBC the last 10 years. Have the chickens come home to roost at last on what has really been going on in Denton which was going to eventually rear its ugly head once we started varsity sports in CUSA? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GMG!