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Another YouTube look at Brock Bergland at bottom of page. Do you really completely lose all the skills that you will see in this video? Coach Canales is obviously key to this kid's development of which he succeeds. Personally, I think he is the starter by mid season this next Fall. I have no problem with our having 3 QB's. North Texas beat the Tennessee Volunteers over n Knoxville with a 3'rd string QB back in the day. Time will tell but I do like BB's accuracy in the video and his ability to scramble. We can all hope and if the QB is still DT..so be it; whoever gets the job done. I've changed to 7 or 8 wins this Fall which differs from my original 6 or 7 wins prediction. This is if all our North Texas players with NCAA FBS potential realize that potential. We may also need for a few other teams to have bad games and/or down years for us to get to 7 or 8. We will not have had enough consecutive winning seasons for our team to get Top 25 consideration, but that should still be an eventual goal for Mean Green football. 2013 Mean Green Football Schedule Aug 31 Idaho (1-11).........................W...............Home season opener at "OUR" house! Also, a mismatch of talent with the 2 teams. Sep 7 at Ohio (9-4) .........................L................Dog gone those first part of the season road game--yet a close game. Sep 14 Ball State (9-4)....................W...............Again, they will be in "OUR" house and all our transfers and new faces begin to show their pedigree Sep 21 at Georgia (12-2).................L................Someone take some good close-up pics of their sideline hedges. Sep 28 bye Oct 5 at Tulane (2-10)*....................W...............Brock Bergland takes over as 1'st string QB & lights it up in the Super Dome! Oct 12 Middle Tennessee (8-4)*.....W................A typical MUTS/UNT shootout but being a home game before our fans will make a big difference here Oct 19 at Louisiana Tech (9-3)*......W.................the Dawgs just lost too many seniors & starters from last Fall which was cause for Dikes to leave for Cal. Oct 26 at Southern Miss. (0-12)*.....L.................a close road loss for the Mean Green Nov 2 Rice (7-6)*.............................W................MG fans gets first ever look at the MOB and it's another home game win for the Mean Green. Nov 9 UTEP (3-9)............................W................Last time we played the Miners in Denton it was a near sellout crowd--UTEP brings many fans to Apogee. Nov 16 bye Nov 23 UTSA (8-4)*.........................W..............Welcome to Mean Green Country, Road-Runners and an entire NCAA FBS schedule + a bye week to heal. Nov 30 at Tulsa (11-3).....................L...............A close game, though. Last time I saw North Texas beat Tulsa was on Houston ABC-TV affilate Channel 13 in ABC-TV's NCAA College Football's regional game of the week back in 1968; in fact, that is the last Mean Green win over the Golden 'Canes. Few (if any) in the new CUSA ever had such an exclusively televised game since ABC TV back then was the only network that televised NCAA Division One college football--except for the bowl games. I was a HS senior in 1968/69 and I think that may be the last time I will be alive to have seen us beat the Golden Hurricane since I don't think we will be on their future schedule after this season.

Great Fort Worth Star Telegram article on our fellow UNT alum Royce Womble....and a very long feature to boot! Memory loss....but what was his son's name? GMG! PS: In his last few years, UNT great Ray Renfro worked for North Texas alum Jim Rainboldt, ie, the owner of Tarrant Concrete. If you ever drive around Fort Worth very much, you will see one of his concrete trucks. When I was more involved, I once had Rainboldt come out to a UNT get-together out at the Coors Hospitality Room on North Freeway and Meacham Exit. I also asked him to bring one of his trucks that had the old "Corky Nelson era" logo (parakeet thru a hoola-hoop) all over that truck. Chancellor/President Dr. Al Hurley and a few of his assistant I had invited to this gathering got a real kick out of that truck. Jim Rainboldt was also a basketball letterman at North Texas and to this day I still see his trucks so business must still be quite good for Tarrant Concrete. GMG!

#36 in their photo gallery looks like he has the old baseball umpire protector on his chest Check the rest of the NCAA FBS, folks, this seems to be what is happening at more collegiate outposts. Like meanjoe, I'm onboard with what USM is trying to do here. I do like the dull chalky non-glare black paint look on helmets across the NCAA as to cut down on glare among other things I presume.....wonder if the old Mean Green could do that with their helmets? That kind of paint might look even better on our helmets than those who use black as their primary helmet color. GMG!

Now I know who that poster was on the MWC forum and "DJ Plummy" gave it all away, uh, GL2Greatness. LOL! When will you divulge who you are and what your affiliation to either UNT and/or TSU-SM actually is? To quote the great Ross Perot.............I'm all ears! A bonafide & aggressive NCAA FBS level type of marketing program (copy someone elses success?) would solve many of our problems at UNT and probably save a few jobs, too. I like to see good things happen to nice people which we have at UNT, but in Denton we still must have the same criteria for success the other 120 plus FBS schools have to use. UTSA's marketing successes has obviously impressed me (and others) with their short history in the NCAA. Their goal and objective of significant butts in seats seems to have been reached IMHO. How many of us would kill to see 40,000 fans trying to get into Apogee Stadium? Even at a much smaller scale marketing has worked for my small business which keeps most my weekends busy now and for which I can easily & proudly say: I Did This! (and I did the "a bit wordy" website, too). www.soundworksdeejay.com GMG!

Froggy boy, you have your Big 12 now, so why you constantly over here gloatin' and taking victory laps? Seems like the growth and potential of North Texas (which still dwarfs TCU as far as our entire DFW Metroplex constituency is concerned) still seems to intimidate you to some extent with UNT still representing some kind of pyschological threat to you as we all read what you actually post. Why does any of this matter? Yall would never play UNT for most of the modern era of the NCAA when we had our best teams and TCU which had some of the worst teams in the NCAA and SWC during a similar span of time. One helluva' scheduling modus operendi for TCU most would say. FWIW, I remember for much of my adult life (I was born 1950) that if you took all those visiting Longhorns, Aggies, Red Raiders Arkansas, Baylor fans, etc, etc, etc, and erased their traveling fans from Amon Carter Stadium's turnstile numbers thru the decades just how small your home crowds would have actually been in Fort Worth. On the other hand, what if North Texas had had that same luxury of having such large numbers of traveling fans coming to Denton annually? I would bet your old timer alums know exactly what I am talking about with that. (In fact I remember in the early to mid 70's when TCU hosted DKR's Texas Longhorns during a snow game at ACS with an "announced" 20K (+/-) in attendance. (Wonder how many of that crowd were Froggie fans)? And several yrs. ago North Texas hosted TAMU in Texas Stadium with approximately 50,000 in attendance. It was quite a visual spectacle for those of us who were there. Yet this begs the question: When did TCU draw a similar attendance against the Aggies in almost 100 years of your school's having played Texas A&M in Fort Worth? NOTE: Yes, the Aggies probably had 50-55% of that crowd at Texas Stadium but so the hell what? Wasn't that UNT merely using the old "SWC private school" formula for having good home attendance numbers to turn into the FWST Sunday boxscores albeit those particular SWC schools had to use the opponent's traveling fan's attendance to get such lofty numbers? Moral of post? Don't judge North Texas until you check TCU's attendance numbers during your school's losing years and even as an SWC school just how did your Froggies draw during all those losing years when yall played schools who brought no traveling fans? I know the answer to that question--do you? GMG!

Quitters never win? Many of us have tried, meangreener, but you just keep coming back to all this--almost like its's a drug addiction. You can take a break, be pissed at everybody, be happy with others but you keep coming back to UNT if you've ever been truly exposed which I'd almost bet you have. Honestly? Don't we all just want to see our school succeed and walk tall among the tallest because in our hearts we know that is where it belongs? Many of our peer school's officials in CUSA must shake their heads after they visit Apogee, the Super Pit, the Mean Green Village and observe that at UNT we have even more facility plans (hotel/conference center at Apogee for starters) and to the person each of that group wondering when will this MG rocket take off and when it does you know they have to think--you best watch out and then you better get out of their way! I recall a few of us posted that right after Dan McCarney was hired that Year 3 would be the turnaround year for his version of Mean Green football. We and he need it to be a turnarou more than ever because aint it just flat out time for MG football to shine once again ? Year 3 was Coach Mac's role-model's Hayden Fry's turnaround year. Fry won 5 his first year, then only 2 wins his second year in Denton and then Year 3 for Fry became the Mean Green's nationally recognized coming out party--my junior year and WALA--I had eternal Mean Green fever. The YouTube ballad below was actually performed by one of our Mean Green fans who actually quit all this, ie, the Mean Green scene and just look how it affected this poor old feller. Think twice before even thinking about quitting all this--I defer to the song below.. meangreener, you can take a sabbotical or a short vacation from all this in MG Country but............if you've truly been exposed and have ever developed a serious case of MG fever I assure you can really never totally quit all this.. Now here's that Mean Green Ballad From A UNT Fan Who Actually Did Quit.

News getting bleaker by the minute. My late mother and father felt the Texas City explosion in their home town 40 miles away from Texas City.

Hide...Watch & See, folks.. TSU-SM has something we don't have at North Texas right now....some call it "athletic program momentum" and their interviewing & hiring North Texas alum Danny Kaspar added to that mometum. Meanwhile over at the Mean Green Villlage............the beat goes on.

This was to be most predictable with UTEP and the MWC. Why not, everyone else who moved from the NCAA's ghetto league (the SBC/CUSA 2.0) has herpes or some bilblical disease and don't want to be exposed to any of us. UTSA will be next on the MWC list because they they have a dynamic city that supports their 3 year old football program and they also know how to draw crowds with losing teams 2 of those 3 years while our own on-campus B.S. Brigade keep many (even on this forum) in some kind of a catatonic trance of shock and awe-inspiration with overall poor hires and bad W/L records across the board. Do I hear any AMENS here......or just more red numbers on that "loose cannon" PMG? When I get red on any of my posts that is a Badge of Honor for me because I know most doing the red thang' (sitll a slang word, right?) have not in their lifetimes seen a HFC leave Denton with an above .500 W/L record and have few answers to our present dilemma and if they had them would be too timid to post them in fear of the dreaded (to them)............BIG RED THUMBS DOWN & LOSS OF ON CAMPUS OR GMG.COM SOCIAL STANDING ! (PARDON ME WHILE A TAKE TIME OUT TO LET GO A BIG NORM HITZGHES GIGGLE). Too Long of a Sentence...sorry, Mrs. Andrews. Want to know how North Texas fits into any of this "MWC Talk" with our 25 year sleep and mostly roller coaster ride at a true non NCAA FBS level that has impressed absolutely no one outside Denton but seems to have with our powers in the Hurley Admin. Bldg who just keep handing out those salary raises and extended contracts to keep Mean Green mediocrity on life support? At what point do those in the Hurley Admin. Bldg. finally look at all this happening right under their noses and pull the plug as they figure out this thing with present staff is all but brain dead? Do those at the top have a clue as to what works at the NCAA FBS level at all? Might we even start copying some other school's success for a change? We just don't do college athletics well at North Texas starting at the top, the UNT Board of Regents (who I supposed to the person seem to not have very many friends in high NCAA places "that could be hired to fix all this......" whatsoever). Pissed off yet? You should be by looking at our records and hiring failures and don't blame the many posters on GMG.com who feel the same way with the theme of this post but just won't state it or post it for whatever reasons. Visionary is a word that is just not in our Denton-based alma mater's dictionary.. C-USA only happened for UNT because of our DFW location and anyone with half a functioning brain knows that--because for certain it was not our across the board W/L records. Had "OUR" school been located in Ruston or Monroe we would have never been given 1 iota of a look for CUSA membership and all know the reason why by now.. Not sure why we let the blind up there keep leading us quite frankly because even the trend today in attendance building and fundraising--"NOT" using the same old tired 40 year old fundraising list of same ol' names indicate there will continue to not be very many new faces.. I really feel Coach Mac will have a winning program beginning his 3'rd year this Fall, but all of the ancillary administrators surrounding him will typically hold all this new reasons to celebrate down if we can merely go back to past history in UNT athletics. A UTSA'esque type of marketing program (never before done at North Texas at a similar scope) could have winning Mean Green football teams playing before much larger audiences and don't most football players want that? Such a program designed to fill a football stadium and with those larger crowds at Apogee comes more people (and media types) talking about your athletic program a la the Road-Runners and even getting mentioned for up and coming conferences which will most always be an annual occurence.. UTSA has received much positive ink and even MWC schools fan's admiration and that even with 2 of their first 3 years being quite "well attended" for their losing football teams. It was shameful that on the promotion tour (or caravan) last summer that Coach Mac's bosses it seems had him telling the same ol' tired alums and fan's (from that same ol' 40 year old list) to do more as if it were those alums/fans job to fill Apogee Stadium for crissakes'................In all fairness, Coach Mac should have told his bosses his job was to build a winning football program and that it is their job to fill the freakin' football stadium with new faces of which a sellout has not even happened beginning with our stadium's debut game when the UNT Athletic Dept. staff "ONLY" had an entire previous spring and summer to get it sold out. In 1980 this program would have been a shoo'in for Mountain West Conference membership but as of today (?)............you fill in the blanks as to why we aren't now_______________________________________________________________________________________

In Living Color...........and just for TSU-SM enthusiasts GL2Greatness.... When I and most others critique our alma mater it is not with any degree of contempt whatsover (but maybe a little disappointment of our lack of success) or with the same (apparent) disdain that GL2Greatness seems to show in most of his or her's (do we really know? posts about most things concerning the University of North Texas. What many of us who still care enough to do is post our concerns and just hope that UNT leaders will merely tweak or try a few things different from time to time if what we keep doing annually doesn't show any semblance of success or showing any such trends that what we do will be successful. What's that definition of insanity once again? I've been following TSU-SM's progress for about a decade now. Yes, they sold out their first game (which we did not albeit we would have had Texas Tech been our opponent) but TSU-SMU has had problems hitting the 20K attendance numbers for most of the last 10 years. Most Texas-based Go5 schools during their losing years (except UTSA) most always draw less than stellar crowds. Just like UNT will in my lifetime never catch SMU because of their history in NCAA D1.....it is still my belief that TSU-SM will never totally pass UNT long term. I will say that TSU-SM just hired 2 key mens varsity sports coaches this and last year who I think will pay off for them quickly but none of us on this board had any say with North Texas would interview and hire, now did we? Might have a few suggestions from this and Scotties's board have made our athletic department recovery quicker? I also think TSU-SM will have problems in scheduling most Texas-based FBS football programs which is no stranger to North Texas. You think UT-Austin will ever schedule the those Fightin' Bobcats? I don't............and I remember when North Texas was the first Non BCS type school that did get on the Longhorn schedule back in the mid 70's and it seems the Longhorns still want to tee it up looking at our future football schedule.

TFLF has obviously been around the Mean Green scene long enough to know just how it's been. Sometimes being around something long enough gives you a clearer perspective and the ability to see the trees for the forest. You who are emotionally bonded to those employed at North Texas will most likely never be able to be objective about the very things that are keeping Mean Green athletics barefoot and pregnant (so to speak) and unsuccessful as far as intercollegiate athletics on our alma mater's campus is concerned. Spoke with another fellow UNT alum the other day and we remain amazed with how so many of you who post on this forum have in your entire lifetime ever seen a Head Football Coach leave his North Texas career with an over .500 record and that sad fact leads to this............ ..............why does there seem (as I read this forum) such a lock-step solidarity on some of your part to keep supporting that which has yet to work with trends indicating that we could very easily go another 5 to 10 years doing the same ol' thing? Our membership in C-USA (albeit now a SBC 2.0 version) I think will be the necessary high powered microscope needed to show our future new leadership in the Hurley Admin Bldg that much of who and what we've had running the show will continue to not be effective. Also, I am talking more than just Dan McCarney's wins and losses for the next season or 2. That part is most strategic for us but just one slice of the pie of so many other things UNT must improve in to move this athletic program forward. GMG! PS: It also bothers me to read in an above post by an older UNT alum where even a Mean Green loss to UTSA this Fall will be an ender for him with this program and cost us one of the best Mean Green fans and contributors we've had since the 1960's; in fact, his being a supporter before the Mean Joe Greene era. What bothers me even more is how I feel that same attitude will snowball with many other alums if this initial CUSA football campaign is a bust or is not more than what we've seen the last 8 years. (Personally, I think we win 6 or 7 games this Fall but not sure what kind of national ranking this football program will have and if that is not on our radar of things to improve as a CUSA member then we will not have been considered a positive addition to this league).

Said it probably a year or 2 ago, but Texas State has been shadowing our school for some time now. Last time I checked TSU was even about $10 million ahead of UNT in its endowment coffers. Anyone seeing a trend and possibility of yet another school that could pass North Texas by while we are all still high fivin' each other with our having a 3 year old stadium (this Fall) which has yet to have a sellout? Negative? No, I've just seen this movie so many other times since my first days on campus in 1972. You get to where you can predict many things about North Texas once you've experienced its history longer than some of you have even been alive. Others know where I am coming from because they, too, are able to do the same thing. GMG! PS: Still..........with the right people in place at UNT, our future is still so bright to the extent to where we could just grin at TSU-SM for even thinking they could pass us by; after all, we've been NCAA D1 for the most part since the 1950's Abner Haynes era and have some impressive NCAA D1 wins in that span of time--just not as many as there could have been of late. At UNT we've just got to quit dummy'ing down & diminishing our school's future with non-stop dumb-a$$ hires of those who are largely unproductive over a fair amount of time to be productive and in the very areas that we now have to be productive to keep other schools from passing UNT; that is in our present endowment any more than they already have and as they are now flirting with the idea of passing us by in intercollegiate athetlcs. How long till others put the imitation green kool-ade aside and just start waking up and smelling the coffee among our Mean Green Nation We get at North Texas what we ask for but the question still remains............what the hell are we collectively asking for?

They are for darn sure building for a big time 40-45,000 enrollment university in Denton but for the moment that is where the big time ends. (I like their ideas for Apogee Stadium and the new hotel and conference center at the Mean Green Village/Apogee area, too). We've just got to start putting round pegs into round holes with our key hires in Denton instead of what we've been doing, ie, round in square which has us where we are today especially since our school's athletic stock has not risen dramatically or significently for so long. This upcoming new main UNT campus president hire may be the most important hire for us in that position in a very long time. We cannot afford to miss on this one. GMG!

I think one of the 10 commandments at most normal operating NCAA athletic departments (which North Texas is not and has not been for quite awhile now as one looks at all the varsity W/L records) is to simply do this..................interview a graduate from the school he/she attended and who is now applying for a similar position (as in head basketball coach) at his/her alma mater whether you intend to hire that person or not. So..........where the hell is someone with some major cajones like a university administrator version of Donald "YOUR FIRED!" Trump when it's all but been put in sky-writing that changes need to or even should have already taken place? Silver, found this unbelievable piece of info on the subject on the other board................and so sadly..............it's just almost unbelievable what this regime gets away with in Denton leading I'm sure even more to wonder if they have anyone higher up that ever critiques their job performances and hirings (using wins versus losses a the usual and normal barometer). From the other board: UNT alum Danny Kaspar now has SFA at 20-2.......11-1 in SLC play. They drew almost 4400 at home the other night. Anyway, Danny and the Lumberjacks play Long Beach State in a Bracket Buster game on ESPNU on Friday Feb. 22. Finally, five name coaches called on his behalf when he wanted to get an interview here---UT's Rick Barnes, the Spurs Greg Popovich, Butler head coach Brad Stevens, former OU/Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson, and former A & M and now Maryland coach Mark Turgeon. Danny never received a call to interview here. (kudos to mngrn04 for some of the info in this post). GMG! PS: So come on all you red totin' regressives out there...show me some Big Red while you still amazingly continue to genuflect to those who are leading UNT to an NCAA version of a burnin' straight down to the ground Rome and..................a program that would have not even performed well at the NCAA FCS level most of the last 10 or so years.

This SMU football player sorta's sizes up the Mustang football program in his first 2 paragraphs (in living color)) in his letter to the SMU student newspaper. Personally, I don't think winning and going to bowl games at SMU in their latest new conference will make one hill of beans difference. I think for North Texas....it will make a difference, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step---so dammit, lets start a multi-year winning and bowl attendance streak beginning this Fall, right? "College football is a chance for a school to unite around its team and build spirit and camaraderie between its students, faculty and athletes. Most collegiate football schools get this, where students camp outside ticket offices or fans drive hours to cheer on their team. Most schools thrive in this, except SMU. After having a dream come true with the invitation to walk-on to the football team in fall 2010, I believed I'd be able to be a part of watching SMU rise from the ashes and become a powerhouse. After back to back bowl trips and a 5-1 season record including a win over archrival TCU, I thought surely the days of empty stadiums and an uncaring student body were over. Boy was I wrong." http://www.smudailycampus.com/football-player-asks-where-s-the-spirit-1.2653972#.UWI-AKKG1db

Sometimes it is that senior year when a QB just puts it all together and few of us would have any problems with DT doing just that. If BB turns out to be a bust (and I don't think he will after he gets his land legs & a bit of confidence) but if we had another national talent not make a difference I would have to defer back to the "snake bit" theory concerning our athletic program. We all have to admit that this basketball thing has us all a bit shell-shocked. Hell, at some point those who come to North Texas with some degree of pedigree will have to come through eventually; in fact, can we ever count on the law of averages being an ally with our school at all? GMG!

Be careful, Bill, you are bordering dangerously of being blasphemous. UTSA's attendance successes? Check out their athletic department marketing staff which are quite numerous. Sure they gave away a few tickets but within their athletic department's marketing department they seem to have a whole bunch of foot soldiers who are getting the job done for their home game attendance. While some at North Texas pray that we have a good crowd show up on Game Day at Apogee Stadium at UTSA they put foots into their prayers. GMG!

Peace on earth good will toward men...........even among & between all of us who attended North Texas. Lest we forget in all our hot sports opinions, we are still really pulling for the same team in green. And karaoke version:

In 5 years will it really be so much difference in most of our Go5 conferences no matter the name? The social standing or pecking order environment (which I think all but came from the old Southwest Conference lower tier group of schools who we know so well will always be in place and only thing that will break that up for schools like North Texas is to truly become the next Boise State and have their kind of success for 2 plus decades or more. As far as the new C-USA as a Go5 conference, one really has to be impressed with many of our league's destination cities (and areas) compared to other leagues in the NCAA. We all hope the TV advertisers will be as impressed. The prime goal for CUSA should be to make sure our top 1 or 2 football teams are annually in a Top 25 poll most of the season or at season's end. That will be the defining or determining factor of which Go5 conference will succeed over another similar conference. Right now I count only 3 schools that will remain in CUSA who have broken that barrier and those being Southern Miss, La Tech and (albeit years ago)..........North Texas. A school's athletic department staff having friends in high NCAA and media places, ie, voters in these polls can really help with that. Yes, admittedly Hayden Fry got his Mean Green football team in Top 20 polls because he had a few good teams and ol' Hay-Boy probably made a few strategic phone calls, too. Anyone out there really don't think Sonny and (dad) Spike Dykes didn't do the same for La Tech last Fall? Sometimes for schools like North Texas it becomes a matter of..................who your top athletic department officals know in the NCAA and moreso, the coaches and sports media types who cast those poll votes, having officials who have also pressed the flesh with same and for damn sure not pissed off. Some call it, uh.....P.R.? GMG!

Still waiting for the Dallas Morning News to feature a story about how TCU would never schedule North Texas Mean Green football for about 30 plus years; that is, in the 50's (Texas first integrated college football team plus the All American Abner Haynes/Sun Bowl team era); the 60's (the Mean Joe Greene era when we lost count on our NFL draft choices including 3 #1's and then those vaunted 70's (the Hayden Fry era).............now that would make for some interesting reading on another slow news day. And a slow news day? North Korea declaring war on the USA and threatening nukes on our homeland is hardly a slow news day. GMG!

You kool-ade drinkers may not want to read this one--just a fair warning. We more than anyone should know by now that being larger hardly translates into thinking larger and producing (at the turnstiles) larger too, but.........that eventually will change IMO and our new UNT president will most likely play a huge role in seeing that it does. Yet being more competitive needs to happen pretty quickly looking at our recent number of years of non-success in the SBC. Some schools in the new C-USA could care less about our best eras of Mean Green athletic history and it is that group who are now zero'ing in on North Texas and most on this board know who that group is already beginning with one down in San Antone'. Many of us on this board are whistling nervously during a midnight walk thru our Mean Green athletic cemetery of recent decades past hoping that we haven't found ourselves among even more schools who will pass ours by which is a feeling that has already (understandably) been expressed by some on this forum; that is, those who've seen it happen too many other times in the past with many of our elect who also by now know not to say.....'this will never happen" And if North Texas wins in CUSA will it be a matter that we have to hope that all our conference-mates are having tremendously "down years" and we back into a championship or 2 with un-ranked teams--any of that sound a bit familiar? I know..... this gets darker by the word but we who've been around all this awhile and even were around to see the last above .500 head football coach at UNT (before many of you were born) do have a definitive history to go by with this, folks). Still truly wish our school was in a better position competition-wise (across the board) coming into our first year in Conference-USA rather than many of us finding ourselves wishin' and hopin' that (still) too many numbers of unproven talent will develop. The inaugural C-USA athletic year for North Texas will be a most telling year for so many's future in Denton, Texas, America, as it should be and probably should have already been in our Belt's last few un-productive years. GMG!

Best thing for North Texas is that our varsity teams still get to make trips to Houston, Texas, USA, every other year. If we lose that then we can all collectively start looking for rusty razor blades. I still see all this social climbing as steerage passengers on the Titanic trying to get the best view of the northern Atlantic from not a very good vantage point. We have some pretty good destination cities in CUSA at this point that I know we all hope we keep. The new CUSA is as marketable a geographical area as any other with real potential rivalries. The former CUSA schools still have one leg in many of their's glorious past and the other on a banana peel. I don't think this change for them will do much more than CUSA did for some of them which did not amount to not much. The new CUSA must always have its football champion in a Top 25 poll for this to work IMO; otherwise, this will just be old hat. GMG!

Of course, during all those decades that color pic of Joe was available, it was never used in any future media guides and especially during the Fred Graham era as UNT's sports information director. (I think they could have cropped that pic of Joe even back then to separate him from the other players in that picture). No big deal on this pic thing, just funny to me with how it has shown up now on Harry's link and only because it was in a Playboy College Football All American issue back in 1969. Heck, we didn't have Playboy magazines at Griffins General Store back in my hometown. And if we would have and if you had purchased a copy of Playboy back then, everyone In town would know about it before the next Sunday sermon. LOL! Life in Small Town, Texas....you just can't beat it! GMG!

Hint to all UNT campus-based publications who cannot find a single color pic of Mean Joe Greene in your vintage files in Denton well then do this..................crop this Playboy AA pic of Joe and there you go by-George.........I think you got it! HUH? Another idea coming from GMG.com that will be totally ignored? WHO SAID DAT?!?!?!? GMG!

Heads-up Alert! An Actual Color Photo of Mean Joe Greene While He Played Football At North Texas ! Many of us on this forum have seen almost every publication or photo concerning Mean Green football during or post-Joe Greene era at North Texas but for the life of me, I have NEVER seen that color photo of Joe Greene found in the content of Harry's link in any past North Texas Mean Green football media guide or publication since I started checking those out circa 1973; instead, we always had the old standard black & white file photo of Mean Joe with hands outwardly extended. Any of you other older alums agree with this "color pic" discovery or have I just missed seeing it thru the decades? ? ? ? GMG!