PlummMeanGreen

Yes, it's the Tea-Sippers and we open up with the Tea'sips at DKR this August 30'th, but I'm not totally comfortable with how Coach Strong seems to be getting treated down in weird Austin and at other Texas outposts. They didn't expect as much from Mack Brown when first hired as I recall but this seems to have turned in to a "National Championship" or you're fired kind of discussion from some of the UT people. That's nothing but pure-D crap from some of those highly expectant fans before a coach even has his Samsonites unpacked. GMG!

You left out the "C"... I think the P5 boys are just plain meanies myself.

Scrappy, homeless?

Just reading the below article concerning the upcoming NCAA Convention I don't see any new classification level around the corner for our Group of 5 at all. The Big Boys do not want to leave the NCAA because of the structure of all other sports including March Madness. Best thing that could happen for the G5 would still be an 8 or 16 team play-off as some of you have mentioned in the past. That seems do-able but will take a few years to happen. Even a 4 team play-off leaves as many P5 schools (like TCU, Iowa State, Baylor Texas Tech, Duke, etc) out of the loop with no chance to ever play for a NCAA national championship as much as it does the rest of us. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24404728/ncaa-proposal-would-put-power-in-hands-of-bcs-conferences

BillySee58, I would wonder if UNT is expecting any more attrition due to grades, quitting or transferring?

And that, Phil, the reason we must have 9,000 more seats added to Apogee...............NOW! (being a tad facetious) Any stadium expansion now or out there in the sweet by and by needs to come with the understanding that we are going to have as an aggressive a season tickets sales program as UTSA and that we really believe we can retain many, many, many...... new faces from that Sea of Green we all saw at the historic Cotton Bowl stadium New Years Day. That wondrous feat which some seem to have already disregarded or discounted in our future plans to actually have many new faces and fans at our on-campus stadium's turnstile on Game Days. If you're not moving forward in today's NCAA especially at the FBS level--then you are going backwards. GMG!

Mean Joe Greene quote on recent radio show with the Dallas Cowboy's Mickey Spagnola and on the subject of Apogee Stadium: "Well, it is small....." Will UH's 40K stadium ever be called.....small? Todd Dodge right before he left UNT: "It will be a nice stadium albeit small." When is "small" ever a good thing when it comes to college sports and campus venues? Lets see here, we now have one who talks about 38,000 MG fans in a very cavernous Cotton Bowl Stadium on New Years Day but adding 9,000 more seats to Apogee is such an "out there" idea? What am I missing here? No one has said we need a 92,000 seat Apogee to my knowledge. Wonder how those 35K to 38K Mean Green fans at the HOD Bowl would have looked inside a 40K seat Apogee? So see just how close we already are with such a venture? No, we'd never sell out every game in a 40K sized stadium just like U of Houston is not going to against most their AAC opponents--few of which most Texans know or care about; but why not shoot for a 40K sellout at least once a year by having the right OOC games in Denton every Fall? We had more impressive OOC games at Fouts than we have at Apogee for the time being--that needs to change no matter how large or small our stadium is. If a school that says it wants to be the equal of UH and then proceeds to build a new stadium which adds only 350 more seats than the stadium its replacing, then hasn't that been a most defining statement by our school about our future? Does that bode well for a school that says it has UH-type aspirations? Granted, UH will have empty seats at 40K in their AAC, but they will still be able to do like UTSA and schedule some pretty impressive P5 home games because of their initial seating being at 40K They are not building that large for AAC foes like UConn, but because they have a bigger picture in mind by playing home games against schools who will help them fill a 40K seat stadium from time to time. SOMETIMES WE ARE SLOW LEARNERS AT NORTH TEXAS: Whether one want to admit it or not, we are still in a NCAA FBS facilities arms race (especially among the G5). And no, if we keep doing the ways we've always done them at North Texas, then we might need to do like Rice U and start removing seats and getting canopies to cover up Game Day embarrassments. SLOW LEARNERS YOU SAY? After all, it only took us over 30 years to figure out that maybe we needed to hire a HFC with a similar background as the last HFC to leave UNT with over a .500 record? I suppose it takes Ivy League graduated kind of leadership to figure that one out, but I don't see many of those on our payroll of late, either. Anyone else kinda' figure out why some of us don't exactly listen to those so-called "experts" who've never led or been around a truly successful NCAA football program which has annual superb season ticket sales and lights out attendance? No, we really don't need to expand Apogee with present crowd who never really had a viable plan to fill Fouts Field; a staff with no apparent football season tickets goals who never tells our group how many they've sold; or a staff of which large group promotions is a total stranger to their ways of running things on Game Days at Apogee. I guess they just like the strange, aesthetic look of empty seats. Only reason to enlarge Apogee has everything to do with the future and the fact that one day we might just have leadership who will get schools to come to our on-campus stadium much like UTSA is scheduling right now? I repeat: Much like UTSA is scheduling right now. Does that make some of you regressives who base our entire future on just about everything we've (unsuccessfully) done in the past proud, too? Well, just wait till the next re-alignment comes around and see what the main criteria will be for a school to move up. Right now, even UTSA has the advantage over UNT with that looking at the ways these kind of things usually shake out. First time in the late 70's what would divide the wheat from the chaffe? It was attendance back then and it will one day be attendance again. Yet what was it that got UTSA all the national publicity along with a few national feature articles as well? Wins? At the time they had a mere handful of "W's." It was UTSA's B.I.S. So no, I don't think we'll expand Apogee any time too soon with our present crowd because they are still too busy high fivin' each other with the construction of a "3 years old going on 4 years old" "new" stadium. One whose capacity is smaller than our present enrollment and about 1/7'th the size of our over 200,000 North Texas alums living within 1 to 1.5 hours of the Mean Green Village. I'm moving on from this subject. GMG!

. I have no response for you. Figure it out for yourself. You're one of the small time thinkers who constantly lives in the past and has Denton and Denton County in some kind of time warp with populations that never grew. That post was not mean't for your kind to read whatsoever....move on.

Some on this message board cannot see past their noses when it concerns our athletic's program future and for our particular program that has not always bode well the last 30 or so years looking at all our results . Had we shown more solidarity as an alumnus group during all those decades we could have "demanded" a Dan McCarney kind of hire (and even God forbid off a Fry coaching tree) a long time ago. We rather got caught up in the same ol' hiring modus operendi in Denton which never produced not one North Texas HFC who left Denton above .500.....go freakin' figure. Some look at new ideas on this board as goofy, dumb-arsed waste of time and just back to more of the "just not the kind of thing we ever do in Denton" kind of thinking, but when we built a 30,850 seat "new stadium" in this new millenium we were still sorta' putting our own selves in our own place with how we felt about even our future; that is, we seemed to think that we will always be a Sun Belt'esque kind of school--nothing more and for sure never a Top 25 ranked kind of football program. Some of the red numbers I will get for this post will (in fact) be from some of that very crowd who thought that way and with some who still do. For North Texas to expand our stadium another 9K to get it up to 40,000 would make another completely new kind of statement from our school about what we think now about our school moving ahead, but still a few on this board will use their old faithful, trusted yet hardly proven theory of............... "WE MUST FILL APOGEE FIRST THEN JUST THINK ABOUT IT MAKE IT LARGER OUT THERE IN THE SWEET BY & BY which begs this following question........................... How many times did we fill Fouts Field before we had dirt turning ceremonies for Apogee Stadium? HINT: You can count that number of capacity crowds at the 30,500 seat Fouts Field on less than 1 finger--that's how many times. HINT 2: That means we never filled Fouts Field to capacity at that particular seating capacity. So............anymore new theories on when we should expand Apogee? UH has us beat with new stadium capacity beginning this Fall, but isn't it a new ball game somewhat in Denton? As in North Texas became a new and different kind of DFW area sports animal based on what I call a perfect storm which took place on New Years Day at the historic Cotton Bowl Stadium when most every UNT constituency I can think of showed up en mass? An event which all but shocked some of our (always) small time thinkers who know nothing else but.....small time thinking. In closing................we don't need think too small too long for Apogee Stadium lest in today's NCAA our school will get left behind (once again). Funny thing with that is I think even those who rarely can see past today might possibly even agree with that. GMG!

Move aside Band Day...how about all our fans becoming "Scrappy'ettes" or someone making a Mean Green hand puppet so we can be "Mean Green'ettes?" (Yes, 40 years of all this has finally caught up with me)!

Are we supposed to really care? UH (like TCU) won't play UNT as long as we're in what is going to be a win cycle so why does anyone who professes UH loyalty keep squattin' on our land (or message board)? (Those "very visible" 35,000 Mean Green fans at the historic Cotton Bowl Stadium for a New Years Day bowl game really seems to have gotten under a few Coog's thin skins it seems to me). http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2014/01/uh_fans_whine.php Judge Roy Hofheinz is turning over in his grave>>> http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2014/01/uh_stuns_uconn.php UH didn't even have the common decency (a real Texan's basic trait) to schedule North Texas in a return game at your stadium's grand opening so who the hell do you think you are by even coming here? If we are not welcome as the opponent at the debut of UH's new football stadium then what the hell makes you think you are even welcome here at GMG.com? Beat it, dude! GMG!

A glimpse into the future...

Heck, all we need is 9K more seats to be have a 40,000 seat Apogee. Find a way and do it ASAP, Smatresk and AD/RV...and THEN...........we can get Coach DMac's close & personal friend and HFC down at UT to tee it up with us in Denton............promise. If we only "ask" others similar to UT and perrenial Top 25's some will say yes to a home and home, too, but like in sales.................you have to ask for it. Too many empty seats on Game Days will only happen if we keep on hanging onto our not so glorious past tainted with low (or no) goals and absolutely no large group promotions. Our school's population center locale and enrollment is not projected to shrink, folks, and after all..... ..............isn't UH's new stadium going to start out at about 40K? Is UH better than UNT? Is UH that far ahead of UNT that we have to regroup and think small again? Have we forgotten what we all witnessed last Wedneday at the historic Cotton Bowl Stadium or was that all an apparition? GMG! _______________________________________________________________________________ "The ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world are the ones who do." Steve Jobs ________________________________________________________________________________

They were cubic zirconias that Coach DMac and the Mean Green turned into the real thing.

A Denton source told me today that UT has had 2 four star commits to decomit in the last 24 hours. Interesting... GMG!

What North Texas "walk-on" is now in the North Texas Athletic Hall of Fame?

...from a UH poster UH is the 3rd largest public university in the state and will continue to grow. With that growth will come fan base. ESPN had an article about UH being a sleeping giant and it only needs a chance. I don't see the Big 12 opening its doors because why would it want to add more competition to landing recruits. UH was a force during the Southwest conference days and am waiting for that shot at a level playing field. I would love to see the PAC 12 want a piece of Texas and its largest city. ____________________________________________________ A school which at one time was in the Southwest Conference is still considered a sleeping giant? Posterpedic sure must be making a hunk of money on large mattress sales throughout the Gang of 5 schools.

I love Coach Mac and the Mean Green! Was on record of liking his hire from the git-go since he had the background of being HFC at a Big 12 school with some of us saying Year 3 would be "The Year" for him after some on this forum were ready to run him out of town after Year 2 but... ....to show how we thru the years have allowed ourselves to be dummied down with low expectation (until Coach DMac came along) I still offer this perspective: La Tech was in a Top 25 poll last year. W/O a shred of proof, I will still contend that Papa Spike Dykes campaigned across the country with his ol' coaching pals for his son's team to get the necessary votes to get in but fact still remains----they got in. Not sure how many CUSA coaches gave us votes, though, as Top 25 is still very much about coaching politics and who you know who will actually vote for your school. Still, the votes we got are a good start. Top 25 has always been where many of us wanted our school to go to show true NCAA FBS level progress, but getting in and staying in the Top 25 a la Boise is where we really need to go with all this. GMG!

It was a joke,UNT90. Take your AM chill pill because you're already getting in your "me against the world" or your "me be opposite of what everyone else posts" mode much too early. GMG!

We are obsessed with SMU, but at least someone is. GMG!

How the hell can you look down at someone when your in a valley and the school your attempting to look down upon is on top a mountain? Or is it more a case of.... :surrender: :surrender: GMG!

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And you think all of NTXCoog's posts on this thread were edifying of the North Texas football program? I guess we have some generational differences at work here, but UH was the first college football program I ever followed, but I know when someone is being condescending to our school and all his W/L comparisons with others schools UH played versus those UNT played were not mean't to be in praise of our school at all. Ender?

He who starts the pissing matches will eventually get pissed on. Count on it. And if it starts getting too warm here in the kitchen some of you need to think about getting out of the kitchen. No one has a gun pointed at you making you read any of this no matter how you choose to judge it.

Harry, pleeeeezzzzzzz no "b" in my name unless I was a plumber and I don' t make that kind of money! Plummer: Like Christopher Plummer in "The Sound of Music"? Jake "the Snake" Plummer of Arizona and NFL fame, .....................Glenn Plummer of Hollywood fame? Yes, he's black and I'm beige (never been white) but we still spell our names the same. Plummer is as English a name as Miers is German. Now To Get Serious Here... What I think all this is really about and probably got under NTCoog's goat was about 35,000 North Texas fans showing up quite visably on ESPNU TV for a New Years Day bowl game at the historic Cotton Bowl. Just a theory, but I think he might have had visions of another school possibly catchin up with or (EGADS!) even passing his by after what he merely saw last Wednesday on ESPNU because.................... .................UNT: Until recently was the Jolly Green Sleeping Giant schools like UH, SMU,TCU and others have most likely always thought would stay in an eternal state of slumber and never be anything but a pesky pest in all their respective ways to NCAA stardom. AND.............reading some of NTXCoogs posts on this and other past threads hardly makes me think that he thinks "THAT" highly of our program. Don't see how others could see it any other way, either. We can sing Kum Bah Yah till the cows come home but some things in the Lone Star State are set in stone. NOTE: Remember all those who left CUSA for the AAC and most all of their attitudes toward North Texas and the rest of CUSA 2.0 as they were leaving? Have all of our Mean Green elect already forgotten all that? UH (like TCU) will not schedule a resurgent North Texas football program....move on, folks, all this is a moot point with those who would do the actual scheduling anyway (which will not happen from any college or conference message boards, either, IMO). GMG! P-L-U-M-M-E-R (You know I wub' ya' like a bro', Harry)!