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Judge Joe! Plan on being there Saturday. It's wedding season for DJ's, but I have this weekend off. My business website: www.soundworksdeejay.com POWDER BC! COME BACK STRONG!

A Manifesto of Sorts?? Agree, Jack. The MWC needs Top 10 TV markets & probably sooner than later. We can't bring a perennial winner to the MWC, but we can bring the 4'th ranked TV market in America of which UNT has (by far) the largest enrollment/area alumnus combo than any school around. Who do you like at Apogee? UNT vs FIU, FAU, MTSU, Old Dominion, Charlotte, etc, or UNT vs Boise, San Diego St., Air Force, Colorado St. (& other more established & occasional fixtures in Top 25 polls? ✳️ Some might call this a no-brainier, but others who can never project a winning UNT program will be content with the same old thing & world class tail-gating. UNT only 2 years ago showed MWC officials what a winning Mean Green football product can do & did all that with much fanfare at the HOD Bowl game. Hellsbells, they "only" saw our greatest contingency of Mean Green fans at the venerable Cotton Bowl Stadium in UNT history! Do not think this was all un-noticed. Yes, it would also be nice to have the 4 CUSA Texas schools as a MWC package deal & to keep those Lone Star State budding rivalries in tact. *Time zone kick-off concerns can be worked out if this is important enough to MWC officials to make this all happen. Like the Egyptians say: Where there's a wheel--there's a way."? *Look at what non-stop TV coverage has already done fo kick-off times coast-to-coast & even with 11:00 AM kick-offs for those who'll bend their schedules to accommodate TV? *Let's also face the blatant fact that CUSA will continue to look more like Sun Belt Conference 2.0, too, which will only keep us quagmired for just about forever. ➡️ Any of those schools would jump at the same opportunity to move up if they could & like Barry Goldwater once said in his campagin: "In your heart you know I'm right." (Of course, he did get slobber-knocked by Lyndon, now didn't he)? Still....look at the names of MWC schools? Beat a few of their better known football schools & "WALA"--can you say Top 25 football rankings? Basketball? Same thing. Of course, as always on this fan's message board, we're projecting & speculating, but we're also trying to create a better future for all of ours favorite school in light of the ever-changing NCAA environment. ➡️ On this subject, do keep your eyes on UT & OU's future "possible" conference moves. IMHO, they will not be permanent fixtures in a revised Big 12 & TAMU will be their model on that subject.

Harry! (Not now but call when you have a moment & mostly to catch me up). As much as I hate to admit it, I am still a plethora of totally useless information & data (but can come up with a few little known historical gems from time to time but.....that comes with, uh, age? Plummer clan have been in Texas since 1833 so I might just be getting started? Sorry, Harry! LOL!

You say you really do, Dr., uh, Mr.Phil? When things get drab---color it up (but stay inside the lines)! :)

Silver Hey DeepGreen! Silver Eagle knows his college marching bands. I will not disagree with most all he ever says about the subject, either. Now if I can just get him from trying to convert me to the Democratic National Party he'd be just fine! (JUST KIDDIN', BILL, JUST KIDDIN')! The Green Brigade is a unique band insasmuch as its a concert band with legs. They do put out some nice concert sounds, but I'd rather listen to that kind of thing at the Murchison Performing Arts Center. I'm with Silver Eagle with the kind of college marching band I'd like to see at Apogee. When we hosted the Houston Cougars in 1975 at Texas Stadium (AND BEAT THEM 28 TO ZIP BY THE WAY) I was duly impressed with the UH Cougar Marching Band with how they all but ran onto the football field at halftime. Back then they had a high stepping drum major with his strut and head slanted 45 degrees backwards. Impressive back then but would probably only draw howls & sarcastic wolf whistles from stadiums today. GMG! PS: Unless I'm in the midst of a diabetic coma I'm 99% sure I'll be at Apogee this Saturday. Been missing what I spent much of my life enjoying & have missed seeing so many of yall----ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE! :) POWDER BC & COME BACK STRONG!

Said it in another thread & to repeat what others said on this one, but Boston College's Doug Flutie was only 5'9" & he had a great college career. GMG!

Boston College's Doug Flutie was 5'9". He did alright.

Howdy (again) 97and03! For whatever heck the reason I've liked the MWC for years even when they were the old WAC. (Maybe it was my ever first trip to Colorado Springs when I saw the Air Force Academy's million dollar chapel back when a million dollars was significant). Family lived there at the time & I remember when my late brother in law took my (now grown) nephew to see Air Force host Notre Dame. For MWC to work, though, we'd need to be in a division with at least 3 Texas schools & work out some kick-off time issues, too. GMG!

GrayEagle 2,274 Mean Green Eagle Members 2,274 3,350 posts Home:Rowlett Posted 11 hours ago · Report post I would prefer the AAC also but until Wren was hired I believed that we had ZERO chance of ever applying, let alone being accepted, into that conference. So, I set sights on the Mountain West. If they do expand by two I believe that they will choose two Texas teams, which they alluded to when the conferences began changing a couple of years ago. Since we reside in the largest market and Houston is not far behind, I believe that a team from the two markets would be the favorites. I'd hope that we would see if Rice would be amenable to such a move. I realize that we've never been a partner to cozying up to anyone else but I believe that should we should start now and I believe that we finally have an AD+ who is a little more social in dealing with other universities. ______________________________________________________________________________________ Most always agree with you Jack. AND WHILE MERELEY SPECULATING....Which G5 conference with the most name schools has the best chance of moving upward (if that ever becomes an option? Think about it, the Power Conferences are top heavy with conferences on the eastern seaboard & Deep South, might it need to consider balancing things out a bit with another P5 in the West & Southwest as in the "new" Mountain West Conference (with a Texas flavor)?:) The MWC needs TV markets so the North Texas Metroplex and Houston (2 Top 10 markets) along with San Antonio would be 3 biggies to add for their future TV package. Somewhat a pipe dream, but those 3 cities have bowl tie possibilities for the MWC even if its a 2'nd bowl al la NO's Bowl for H-Town & the Alamo City. HAVEN'T WE REALLY ALREADY PASSED ONE MWC CRITERIA FOR SERIOUS CONSIDERATION & AGAINST ONE OF THEIR MEMBER SCHOOLS TO BOOT & OUR UNT PRESIDENT'S FORMER EMPLOYER, TOO? (ALL THIS HAPPENING ONLY 2 YEARS AGO SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ANCIENT HISTORY). U of North Texas fans/alums showed the MWC officials our largest contingent of support ever for a football game at the HOD Bowl Game 2 years ago so they know when we win we have regional support. We won that bowl game before approximately 37,000 North Texas fans. Had the HOD Bowl people been able to deliver a Big 10 school for our opponent (of which none were eligible) that would have made things very interesting on that particular New Years Day & once again---just 2 years ago. A winning North Texas gets a good share of the DFW TV market & good golly Miss Molly, one UNT publication says we now "ONLY have a quarter of a million North Texas Exes who live in DFW alone. Powder BC & Come Back Strong--Go Mean Green! Come hell or high water I have a Saturday off for a change & will plan to be at "awesome" Apogee Stadium to support the Mean Green! Hope to bring a couple more alums with me matter a fact.

Once Mean Green--Always Mean Green! It's in the blood! Last game I attended was with the other 36,000 plus Mean Green fans at the Heart of Dallas Bowl Game in the Cotton Bowl Stadium & with a win "only" 2 years ago. At our present level, this program could be turned around in 2 years. We've all seen that happen at other outposts. Our time for that to happen is over-due. Couple of "Brief" Thoughts: Gray Eagle: You were right all the time when you posted on several occasions post Apogee-debut in 2011 how you thought we were just not recruiting to our "Taj Mahal" of a football palace. We cannot allow Apogee to be a Super Pit 2.0 Methinks this young staff will pull out all the stops in getting players in here who "want to play now." Also agree with some I've spoken to that we have most or all the right pieces in place across the board. We have to hope we do. Patience is a virtue many of us have had for almost half a century but we are still going to need to be virtuous. Good things come to those who.....well, you know the rest.: MWC versus AAC (if it comes up): Whatever's left of the AAC after further raids tends to make me think the MWC would be stable and for what its worth.....ALLOW US TO ONE-UP GOOD OL' SMU! (If the MWC comes a-callin' SMU would probably try to get in just to keep us out but then that would create a new DFW opening in the AAC, now wouldn't it? College Football Re-Alignment: I think when U of Houston gets the Big 12 invite that UT and OU will start shopping for a new neighborhood & I've thought that even when UH was sucking hind teat' in Robertson Stadium with small crowds. I said....brief, right? ! ! ! ! ! PS: I'm intrigued & excited that an Oklahoma Cherokee-American Indian with a great story, a superb character that equals his athletic talent could eventually lead us out of this quagmire, but now I'm really projecting. GO MEAN GREEN!

Good move, Coach! DW has been on campus and with the team going on 2 years. Lets not make Josh Greer chopped liver, though. After all, the great Derek Thompson didn't put it all together until his Year 5 and what a Year 5that was culminating before a record-breaking number of Mean Green fans on New Years Day in the Cotton Bowl. GMG! PS: When the Cotton Bowl seated 72,000 would we not have filled up almost half of that stadium with 36,000 like OU and UT fans used to do when the CB was that capacity?

North Texas location is worth 1 or 2 million budget dollars IMHO. I know that won't fly with some but I've always thought that for a long time. I mean we do have about 7,000,000 who live within 1 hour of our campus, folks. Word is we have a bunch of Texas HS recruits who drop in on their own accord at Apogee off I-35E and I35-W for an un-official & unscheduled '"free" visit. As long as they don't talk to a UNT coach all that is on the up and up last time I read NCAA rules on that subject. If is my opinion that CUSA at the G5 level seems to be at the level (non P5) where you can have a lights out season for a year or 2 and then take a dip in quality but back to winning seasons again. Casepoint: La Tech last year and then La Tech this year). Last time North Texas had 4 winning seasons in a row I was still a student and then (like many of you) a new alum who just kept coming to the games for about 40 years. (Dickey's 4 bowl games in a row were great for the program but his first bowl team went to New Orleans with an under .500 record). Our facilities and location will always be a plus no matter how said season is going. What I don't understand is why out of the last 10 years of graduating UNT classes that had we retained "only" 500 true and "green" Mean Green fans (and new alums) from each of those previous 10 years why we don't have an additional 5,000 additional fans joining the "old guard" on the Denton/Alumnus side of Apogee. ___________________________________________________________ What would 5,000 such additional fans have done for the Apogee west side for even a week night TV game last Thursday evening? Is 500 new die-hard young (just graduated) new alums asking too much out of a student enrollment that is 36,000 annually? Only 500? The Mean Green 500 ? Lights out marketing effort to annually recruit from campus and then designate (only) 500 with many of this group who were probably MG fans beginning their freshmen year & then those who were UNT campus student leaders of whom others tend to follow) and then.............. make their Mean Green 500 group exclusive beginning the very first year of this effort and then repeat this recruitment of 500 died in the wool student fans annually until they graduate. We know out of each freshmen class that surely by their senior year we could get a large part of the 500, right? In each of the next10 years they could have their own special group (The Mean Green 500 or whatever) who'd have pre-game tail gate gatherings among other socials for their exclusive group and then after 10 years of all these Mean Green 500 groups totaled up North Texas would suddenly find itself with 5,000 new fans and new faces? I know...Mr. Simpleton with all this! LOL! _______________________________________________________________ GMG! PS If health allows, I hope to be watching DW QB the Mean Green this Saturday afternoon at Apogee.

I liked DW the first time he played his first series as a MG QB last season....the ones I sat around in that game all agreed that.......HE HAS, uh...... "IT!" We haven't had too many young QB's of late that had, uh,............."IT." (Sorry 'bout the, uh, stuttering, uh, OK)? GMG!

La Tech will give UTSA a run for their money in the West while we will apparently take steps backwards this season. Some of you told me you feared what we are seeing tonight for this season. Still not sure how many other teams we will play this Fall (other than Rice & UTSA) will match what La Tech is doing to us tonight in "OUR" house on national TV. OUCH! GMG!

Another 3 or 4 year development of one Mean Green QB at dear ol' alma mater----again? Funny how it took La Tech only 1 off season to find an impact QB. This former Hawkeye from UI didn't even play with the Dog's in the Spring according to CBS broadcaster. I don't understand why we have such a difficult time recruiting a true "light em' up" impact "brand new on the team" QB in Denton--never have. DW should start the 2'nd half but he won't because we have to stick with the 3 to 4 year development QB plan. This season could be a long one but haven't we seen 3 steps forward but 5 back before in Denton? Rest of the CUSA schedule at this point looks ominous. The SMU team we drubbed was the worst one I'd seen with the first SMU team I saw which was at the 1968 Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl when Fry was the Mustang's coach. I don't think SMU's first team even right after their DP was as bad as the one we saw last week. So....things could be worse for us, right? We can hope and wish that some QB we have on this team catches lightning because 1 first down in the first half in this game is not going to cut the mustard. Looks like our offensive line are wearing the blue tonight. Seriously, ours cannot break one of our RB's at this junction (half time) Oh well....I don't mind eatin' crow at any time when it comes to the Mean Green. GMG!

Just as we were last talking about...... (And for those of you who've asked I'm down from 210 to 165 with this Type 2 thing Mostly diet, working out, metformin, pumping the weights and (again) starving to death because I can't eat what I used to enjoy. We hangin' in there, though, aren't we Gray Eagle?!? This quote (in bold letters) from a La Tech defensive lineman after last years game and from the La Tech official site quotes after our game last Fall. Only bring this up from last year's game because this years Mean Green offensive line has every chance to be as good or better. Tonight, our O line taking charge could be the big difference in this game along with our frosh' field goal kicker from Sooners'ville neck of the woods. "Today we just did not get the job done up front. I have played against ACC, SEC and the Big 12 offensive lines, and by far North Texas is the most physical offensive line we have played against. My hat is off to them. This is football. It is physical They come off the ball every play." North Texas 24 La Tech........17 PS: And gol' darn it, Harry, the font colors part of this site ain't working for me in this post. GMG!

UNT90 knows the UNT athletic terrain about as good as anyone on this message board. Fact is we are about 25 years behind where we should really be today, but you had to be around here in the 60's or 70's to know that . The 80's and 90's were mostly 2 bad decades for our school's athletic program which in the mid-70's professed to have much higher aspirations as well as to be with much better conference surroundings, too . Although our school and it's geographical base kept on growing our ticket sales and attendance did not grow with it. For those of us who adhere to the "we are & should be exceptional" mode of thinking it has mostly been a frustrating journey of having to accept dummied down standards coupled with low goal-setting then with some of our elect who were satisfied with that. (Meanwhile, many of us would see way too many schools once at our level go past us). We have past trends and day to day work operations (or habits) of late to base our present & future. Does that give some of you the warm fuzzies because it shouldn't? Outside what Dan McCarney did this last season, what would we have had to look forward to had his team won less than 5 games this last Fall--so then enter non-revenue producing sports for some to hang their proud Mean Green hats? Do we base everything at North Texas on what happens in one season because Top 50 programs in the NCAA do not. Seems beaurocratic-type operations (as Texas public universities are) just don't know when to hold them or to fold them and our favorite school seems to be the poster child on modus operendi. Yes, the perfect storm came together for us this last Fall culminating on New Years Day with an event we probably should have had happen much sooner than later in the past, but we've seen other kinds of storms, too, for much of the last 3 to 4 decades and recent trends along with present day to day work operations had much to do with how all those culminated, too. UNT90 has pretty well nailed it and that based on our recent past. GMG! .

In all fairness and past politics, ie, bad feelings of decades past aside....SMU got screwed. How many Top 25 wins did SMU have this season versus those who got Big Dance invites some of whom may have never-ever played a Top 25 school period? .

Still..it will be a good problem to have which I'd bet those who think forward will be able to solve. UH game was 4K shy of capacity as I recall, so I have no idea how 4,000 more fans would have affected traffic flow, but like you said we did not have the PB at that time, either. Just looking at the aerial shot of the MG Village, though, it is obvious that we do need more roads in and out of that part of campus.............IMO. Our future growth indicators might even suggest that that situation might need to be addressed fairly soon, too, ie, sooner than later? GMG!

drex, parking is going to be a mess when we start hitting 31,000 SRO audiences at Apogee even w/o a new hotel/convention center/4 star restaurant next door to it. I don't know how our campus planners will fix this future concern unless they start strip mining Denia to create more inlet & outlet roads. (Not sure strip mining is the correct term to have used but was the first one that came to mind).

Told a fellow alum almost the day the hotel bathroom door picture first came out that it would be popular on the internet and how JQ was going to become well known for it. That was probably an easy prediction by many of our elect, though; that is, those of us who are internet media and news junkies, but never dreamed it would make Pierce Morgan's show (along with Pierce's usual off beat and dumb-arsed questions) and now the Washington Post. The negative news Russia was getting over their rushed construction jobs along with the USA's concern over this entire Winter Olympics due to security questions would only enhance JQ's story and his kicking a huge hole thru the bathroom door.

I agree.....why Memphis other than the fact that Elvis is buried there? Sounds like a good place to be buried, though.

Quite true, WW, but the Road Runners without an experienced QB this Fall (just like us). Yet after Fall, 2014, UT-SA graduates 30 plus seniors. OUCH! GMG! .

(the "way it is" from untjim1995's above post) "Hell, that TCU-KU pic told the world that nobody cares to watch a bad TCU team play an even worse Kansas team. Now, if TCU was undefeated as they were a few years ago, that stadium doesn't look like that picture at all. That is where being a big winner helps that. Now, TCU gets a big crowd because Texas or OU come to town, which is just like it was in the SWC days--when they eventually got dumped from schools like the aforementioned, since they brought nothing to the table. Baylor is the same way--sure, when they are great, they get a huge crowd. When they host UT or OU, they get a big crowd. But when they are going 3-9 again, lets see how many people are sitting in Baylor's new stadium when they are playing Wofford in a non-conference game." _____________________________________ GMG! PS: But wouldn't it be nice if "public university" U of North Texas with more enrollment and regional alums than you can shake a stick at could be different and have SRO's no matter who we played?

This is probably one of the 4 best recruited classes I can remember at North Texas since 1973 and I say that after looking at all of BillySee58's cumulative recruiting services which featured almost 9 or 10 3 star recruits last I counted. I say "one of the 4 best recruited classes" because of a 4 star Armour All American transfer from Oregon who is being counted on this year's list numerically but has never "stars-wise" counted in any of our rankings because of his being a transfer); also based on apparently 2 (or 3) of our Mean Green recruits a few P5's tried to persuade into de-committing from North Texas during this recruiting season's 12'th hour. Back in the early days when Darrell Royal first scheduled his pal Hayden Fry's North Texas Mean Green, we played UT very close games (like in the very first UT/UNT matchup in 1976 which included Earl Campbell); anyhow, we played the Horns with our most unheralded recruiting classes versus UT's highly ranked recruited classes and played them off their hooves that first game (and 2 or 3 UT games the next few years). Like Gray Eagle has said a few times, "recruiting is an uncertain science at best" or similar words. Give UNT HFC Dan McCarney some kids with speed (which he got last week); along with some kids with size, quick feet and room to grow during off season (which he also got last week) and he will deliver the kind of Mean Green football teams very similar (or even better) than the College Football Hall of Fame HFC he worked as an assistant and whose very portrait adorns his Athletic Center office wall over-looking fabulous Apogee Stadium. GMG!