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I mentioned this in a previous thread...but I feel it needs to be re-hatched considering the signing of Tristan Thompson. In a 3 guard system, you ideally have five contributors in your guard rotation...2 capable point guards and 3 wing players. Last year Bell and Sturns(sigh) ran the point and Young, Watson and Davis were your wings. Mangrum and Edwards played sparingly and Edwards left to find PT elsewhere. Next year, Bell and R. McCoy will play the one with Dennis, A. McCoy and Sturns on the wing. Thompson and Mangrum again will be the odd men out. The following year it will be R. McCoy and a new point, with the wings manned by Dennis, A. McCoy and Thompson. Players leave programs after 2 seasons of limited PT unless they can see their next 2 seasons as being showcase years...Edwards saw he wasn't going to factor into the plans so he bolted. Next year Mangrum may well do the same. I never saw Mangrum as a star here...rather a glue guy like Rich Young or Kenneth Mangrum (no relation...come on...thats funny)...a guy who can really help you win. And I'm not posting this because I'm a white 2 guard and have an affinity for others of my kind...my concern is with the player turnover here. We already bank heavilly on JUCO's...if our freshman keep bolting as well I think we have a serious problem. I highly doubt Thompson would take a redshirt which would help the problem. Also, if Mangrum does stay...and never works into the guard rotation then you spent a scholarship on a guy who will average 2 points for four years. I don't want to be taken as critical of Thompson...I was high on him when he was first mentioned...I like prep kids and Brewsters has put out some good ones...I think my major concern is how the scholarships are being distributed...it seems the length of Johnny's foresight is the next season rather than the next 2 or 3. I mentioned before what I viewed an ideal recruiting class as...and this just isn't shaping up as it. These are good players...some of the best JJ's ran through here...but even if you find the reincarnation of Chris Davis you cant win with 12 Chris Davis's...especially if ten of them will only be here for 2 years. Now...if Sturns doesnt have a scholarship...or if he does and its at SFA...then this is moot and I like this class a lot more. Mangrum plays your reserve wing this season with Thompson working in every once in a while...things shape up much better for continuity in the future. I can tie Sturns bashing into anything...I rule!

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He'll be back...hes not a pure point and doesn't have the jumper (unless its with 1.2 seconds and the game is in denton) or the height to be a 2. He'll eventually round out someones NBA roster but not worth bolting year early to go play with the Idaho NBDL team. That having been said...I hope he goes in the lottery

Oh...it is certainly too early to be engaging this conversation...but its much less asinine then debating whose touchdown ritual we're going to steal for next season...and as i mentioned...i was ohhhhh so bored. I would prefer to see Vizza redshirted as well...its a nice concept to think we could have a guy learn the system for a season then be a cornerstone for 4 years (Colt McCoy)...however it seems the indication is that Vizza has been told to be ready to compete for the job as soon as he's on campus. If it is a returnee at QB...give me Woody Wilson. He threw a nice ball in the spring game and has the added ability to run is something Todge has a hiastory of implimenting (Chase Daniel, Riley Dodge). I think he and Meager have the best shot of the returnees...Tune still needs a bit of time and Phillips is our Kyle Boller (not much past that big arm), and both these guys are true pocket guys. After his games against UT and SMU I felt Woody should've been named starter last season. A lot of his mistakes were the result of mentally looking over his shoulder at Meager and Phillips...he forced passes and tried to make too many plays b/c he felt a need to impress rather than just run an offense. The OL didn't help obviously...but with the new system that shouldn't be nearly the issue it was in a run oriented game. My knock of Wilson is game management...even in the hurry-up he had 2 delay calls in the spring game...I feels hes an instinct type player who has occassional mental lapses. I think the most important thing is that we have a "starter" established after the Arkansas game (preferably earlier) and just trust the offense to him the rest of the way...barring injury or awful play. It isn't fair to a quarterback to be involved in a compition for his job all season. UT had QB controversy in spring ball last season...McCoy or Sneed...but they resolved it before the season and put their confidence behind Colt and he excelled. We have 5(really 3) guys who will be competing in the fall...so I'll expand the window a bit.

We should still have one more

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Figured I'd spark some discussion actually involving the team...and I'm bored out of my mind at work. QB - Giovanni Vizza - this is essentially a new system for every qb involved except Vizza...Meager ran the spread 4 years ago...so who better than a player who is very familiar with the spread to introduce it. This is viewed as a transition and rebuilding season...getting Vizza exposed to D-1 football as a freshman can only make him more successfull as a Soph, Jr and Sr. RB - Jamario Thomas - a bit of a no brainer if he's healthy...but not a lock to hang on to the position the entire season. Based on the amount of work the RB postion will see this season and the load they will carry...this is probably the deepest position on the team. Cam Montgomery (6'1 213) is a change of pace from JT preferring to stay btwn the tackles, Deavin Cox showed potential last year and Micah Mosely had great numbers in HS yet was shunned by Texas all-star teams and bigger programs and may feel he has something to prove WR - Brandon Jackson, Casey Fitzgerald, Brock Stickler, Marcus King - lots of players to work out here and lots will have the chance to make catches this season. Jackson's experience and TD's man crush on Fitzgerald will get them starts...Stickler is physical and a solid possession guy and King has been touted as a a big time deep threat. All the freshman, Korey Washington and Johnathon Ieans will also contribute OT - Robert Peachey, Josh Alexander - Matthew Menard will work his way in to the rotation as well...but look for the versitile Alexander (if healthy) to start and help stabilize the weakest part of the line OG - Chad Rose, Adam Venegas - Both are experienced and capable of 2 second blocking as we hitch and slant down the field. Tyler Bailey is a monster of a man who may find time here if Rose is better suited at center C- Kelvin Drake - Shared time with Rose at center last season. DE - Jeremiah Chapman, Blake Burruss - Chapman should be first team all SBC this season...Burruss will see most of his work on running downs b/c of his size...look for Eddrick Gilmour to see most of the 3rd down action as a pass rushing specialist. DT - Joseph Miller, Montey Stevenson - Both established themselves last season as solid contributors and should see themselves in a rotation with Isaac Thomas and freshman Jordan Scroggins (only one of our recruits to be listed on rivals as a TX top 100 player) LB - Maurice Holman, Brondon Monroe(OLB), Colt Mahan(MLB) - Holman will be a first team SBCer and Monroe will regain his freshman form and finish out his career here strong. Mahan made huge strides last season and is more talented then the hard working Derek Mendoza, who will still see plenty of time. Germaine Dawson will be a good fit in Nickel situations, Tobe Nwigwe will see time and the staff seems high on RS-Fr Craig Robertson. CB - Antoine Bush, Dominique Green - 2 smallish corners will be pushed (esp. against OU) by the bigger Latif Nurudeen and Desmon Chapman. This is still a young position...but the experience gained last season is so valuable to thier future success. Green will start all 12 (13?) games and push for SBC honors. Freshamn Kevin Ealey's athleticism has been sited numerous times and may push in mickel and dime situations S - Roy Loren, Aaron Weathers - Weathers is ready to have a break through senior season and conjure images of Jonas Buckles in the minds of fans. Loren is healthy and will compliment Weathers well. Their biggest duties may not be covering all of their assignments...but occassionally covering the mistakes made by our corners. The SBC has all of a sudden become a pass oriented league so the DB's have added pressure. Overall Analasys - The offense will be improved...I mean...it really just has to be. I feel the biggest problem last season wasn't the o-line, it wasn't JT and it wasn't the QB...it was DD never naming a starting quarterback and sticking with him. Wilson, Meager and Phillips all pressed and forced plays last season with the fear of being pulled. Simply naming a QB would have stabilized the position. I've heard JT's healthy for the past 2 seasons...but if he gives me 800 yards I'm happy. The spread will be fun to watch. The defense has the potential to be better then the 2001 defense. This is a deep, experienced and talented group who will be battle tested (OU, Arkansas) by the time the reach SBC play. The D has the potential to carry this team throuhg the offenses learning curve...and could be the best in the SBC if the secondary comes together. If we win our first 3 home games (FAU, ULM, MTSU) I think the Navy game will be one of the best atmospheres Fouts has seen in a while. Road games at Troy and Ark St. will be trials...but not unwinnable. Give me 7-5 (loses - OU, Ark, Troy, Navy, Ark St.) this season and TD is off and running. Thanks for indulging my inner Sean Salisbury and disagree to your hearts content...its better than arguing about tortillas

This is good logic. Being critical of JJ and the state of the program AT THE MOMENT is not hating on JJ. And RIGHT NOW our first tourney appearance in 19 years has translated into 2 mid-level juco transfers. Of course there is still time...but the further you move into recruiting, the smaller your pool of players gets to choose from. If anyone says JJ ought be fired is an idiot. But also blind faith that 2 quality signees will end up here because Wat and Young signed later is faulty reasoning. Fulce was higher on our board then Thompson or Smith (especially now he won't be eligible) and we missed out on him and are seemingly hoping Wichita St. is out of scholarships so we can sign their leftovers. JJ has his hits...but there are also misses...and from what I can tell no flawless classes. If the McCoys are hits...its reasonable to be weary that the next 2 are misses. JJ's history: 2002 - Sam Byrd, Michael DeGrate, Ty Thomas, Ron Harris, Scott Roniger - Degrate, a JUCO forward, is the only one to play here as a senior 2003 - Mike Jones, Marqus Mitchell, Calvin Watson, Mark Wilson, Shawnson Johnson - Wilson was highly-touted and never stepped foot at the pit 2004 - Isaac Hines, Michael Sturns, Quincey Williams, Jeffery Simpson, Kendrick Davis - solid class...I'll reserve my opinion on Sturns 2005 - Lionel Brown, Harold Edwards, Harold Stewart, Justin Howerton, Rich Young - we beat Memphis is Lionel were still here :-( 2006 - Ben Bell, Collin Mangrum, Collin Dennis, Roderick Flemings, Johnathon Jackson, Curtis Muse - 1 solid, 1 hurt, 2 questions and 2 gone. Nothing wrong with airing on the side of caution Also tap the breaks on the Adam McCoy out jumping anyone...Harold Stewart has thrown some sick dunks in practice and at the rec...he'll push McCoy.

Blount settled down in the area and got married...Awasom is a reserve end with the Giants...all I got

If next year is your concern...then you ought to be worried about the state of our recruiting class. We're not...oor atleast we shouldn't be...recruiting for this season, but rather the following 2-3 years. As of right now, the 2009-2010 season will has 1 player on the roster, Collin Mangrum. This isn't setting up well for the future of our program. If JJ signs 2 players who will have eligibility in 09-10...that still leaves a minimum of 9 and as many as 12 roster spots to fill in the next 2 years. Thats a very high player turnover rate...and no matter how good a recruiter is it is tough to try and find 7 guys in a class who can contribute.

Let me explain the Censored by Laurie name: This harkens back to 2003: Laurie Klein is the director of Intramural Sports, in 03 we had a very successful intramural basketball team named "Bukkake" (I refuse to explain that name...go to a very public computer...maybe with a church group around...and look it up). We won Mens A division and consequently had our pictures and team name put up in the rec center. The following year...we were informed by Ms. Klein that due to a complaint we would not be able to use the same name for our team...that it was inappropriate. Thus our team had been Censored by Laurie...and we had our name.

Thanks Justin...hopefully this guy reads your post and realizes I have a Y chromosome.

So I was digging through Rivals.com and decided to check out Sun Belt team sites and went to Mid. Tennessee's. MTSU has a preview of their first conference game with FIU...they break down FIU by position and then give commentary on their schedule. FIU plays UNT in their last game of the season, to which the MTSU website has this to say: North Texas This should be the pillow fight of the year. After a record-tying seven overtime game in 06' these two flowers look to square off in what should be the fluffiest pillow fight of the year for the 2007 college football season. (ESPN 2, where are yooooouuu?). These two teams are near images of each other. Both are breaking in new coaches and trying to improve on extremely poor previous seasons. Look for FIU to finally make a stand and set the tone for the off season with its first victory of the year! Expected Results – W 31-28 I think 3 things need to be taken out of this: first, F*CK YOU Middle Tennessee...especially you mocking ESPN 2 when you've had fewer national appearances than both of these "flowers." Second, FIU doesn't use pillows, they use helmets and cleats...we all saw this last year against Miami. Lastly, and most importantly, as excited as everyone is about Todd Dodge, myself included, he is still a new coach implimenting a new system...and I think MTSU's analasys should give us a rather sobering perspective as how Dodge's hire is perceived...he's viewed as just a guy...a guy with very little college coaching experience.

The focus of possible signings has been guards and wings...it seems the idea is since we lost 3 last year, we need to add 3 this year. If we sign anybody else under 6'8" it had better be a D-I transfer who will make a big impact in 08-09 (Marquez Haynes). We need size...3 seniors and 2 juniors next season in the frontcourt, and only one of those juniors has proven consistant...meaning you would have one proven commodity in 08-09. Another D-1 transfer would be great to tuck away and maybe what you'll find waiting this late. I saw mention of Miss St having 4 transfer out...anybody have any word on those players, or any other D-1 transfers? If JJ does ink another wing...I fear it may be an indictment on his hopes for Collin Mangrum. When you recruit a freshman, you hope that he's contributing as a junior if hes a big, and as a sophomore if hes a guard. Quincey just came into his own as a junior, Wat and Sturns were seeing consistant minutes by the end of their freshman seasons. If Mangrum were ready to be in the rotation, Thompson or Smith would no longer be on JJ's radar. UNT runs what is basically a 3 guard line-up...so a five man rotation is ideal: Watson, Young, Davis, Sturns, Bell last year; if you ink lets say Thompson: 07-08 - Dennis, Sturns, Bell, McCoy, McCoy; 08-09 Dennis, McCoy, McCoy, Thompson and new point. Mangrum seems to progressivly be the man out.

If we threw octopi on to the field I promise you the kids would think that was fun...and it would create quite the mess...but it still would be blatent plagerism of the Detroit Red Wings. The tortillas need to go...its Tech's thing, let them keep it. As for the cannon and the "North" / "Texas" you would be hard pressed to find schools that dont have something similar. Every school has some sort of loud noise maker after a score, and having a historical cannon like ours is awesome. The back and forth is done nearly everywhere and when done well and at the right time it creates a great atmosphere in Fouts. Traditions just have a tendancy to happen...I wish the hand puppet thing at the Pit would've caught on...that was a great bit. If you want something to throw, lets get a bunch green rubber dodge balls and throw them at our opponents following a touchdown

Ideally I would like to see a cross between Baylor and UL-Lafayette. A white stone/brick facade...one endzone with seating with a nice green UNT or North Texas imaged. The opposite endzone, an open, grassy area, preferably not actually within the stadium. Admin could set up their "Mean Green Village" in this area, give away beer and food ect and create a party atmosphere in one end zone. The fans who go into the games now will still go into the game, but this area would give us atleast a showing of those who tailgate and never go near the gates. I doubt admin would realize the benefit of this...thinking it would cost them ticket sales. Really all I want them to realize the benefit of not having an f'n track between the feild and the fans.

The talk of Texas St. joining the SBC had me daydreaming back to 96 and the creation of the Big 12 and the expansion of the SEC. As much as I loved Ann Richards...she single handedly got Baylor into the Big 12 and things could've fallen into place so much better had the Big 12 gone elsewhere: Big 12 takes Arkansas instead of Baylor; SEC nabs Louisville and conference USA looks like a deep south conference and the WAC and MWC only have 8 teams each Pipe Dream Conference: West: TCU UNT SMU UTEP Baylor Texas St. East: Tulsa Rice Houston UL-Lafayette UL-Monroe LA. Tech C-USA North: E. Carolina So. Miss Ark. State UA-LR Troy Mid. Tennessee South: UAB Central Florida Fla. International Fla. Atlantic Tulane South Florida This thread has absolutly no merit...I was just bored...maybe they'll have a "crate your own conference" on the NCAA football.

The all-time greatest chant I have ever heard came from the Cameron Crazies at Duke. Maryland and Duke had a series of heated basketball games and Maryland fans became quite vulgar towards the Dukies...especially J.J. Redick. Tensions reached their peak when UM fans wore shirts to their games reading F*CK DUKE. The next time Maryland came to Duke...the Crazies decided to remind all Maryland fans that Duke is concerned with UNC: "Not Our Rival, Not Our Rival!" I read SMU and TCU bashing all the time on here...and as much as I love UNT...I feel the need to remind everyone that SMU is concerned with TCU, and TCU with SMU. The point I am making that actually applies to this thread is that Texas St. joining the SBC would actually create a regional rivalry...something UNT is sorely lacking. I am 100% on board with TSU moving up to D1A...it would give the SBC 10 football teams, 12 baseball and 14 basketball (assuming TSU moves up from the Southland in all sports and UNT continues to be sans-baseball). UNT fans would travel to San Marcos for games...SM is a really cool town and ATX is only 30 minutes away. TSU and UNT would compete for similar recruits which would increase the rivaly, and like most small programs...when TSU is successful...their fans show up...2-3 years ago they had a really fun spread offence that could score at will (hmmm) and made it to the final four of the D-1AA playoffs (another hmmm). Adding TSU would initially bring down the prestige of the conference...but keep in mind that the SBC in the form we know it is only as old as 2001. TSU's recruiting will improve simply by becoming D-1A, and with other programs in the SBC starting to get recruiting figured out and considered up and coming programs...it is quite feasable that we are on par with the WAC, MAC and CUSA within 5-10 years.

I think most people have missed your point. UNT is more than capable of attaining a level of national respectablity, including a top 25 ranking. TCU and Rutgers are good examples...but perhaps Boise St is the most comparable program with which we ought to set our goals. Boise implimented a solid system and began recruiting patterns...targeting not 5 star guys, but 2 and 3 star quality individuals who fit their system. The groundwork of this philosophy has been laid here by TD...he is very specific about the types of players he's targetting (quality players from quality programs) and has implimented a fun offensive system that is both appealing and familiar to many high schoolers. UNT's respectablity does hinge significantly on the improvment of the SBC. Troy is leading the way...the Florida's know that they have a wealth of talent to pull from...UNT has the best recruiting ground in the country...the rest may be a step behind. Boise plays in the second worst conference in the country, but the WAC is still a severe step up from the SBC...and unless WKU can find similar success to Troy...the SBC will only get worse. That leaves non-confernce games: An upset against Oklahoma, Texas or Arkansas is years away...it starts with respectable showings; a 14-13 halftime lead...comfortably covering the spread...these types of occurances will start the wheels of national recognition. It's a long journey...7-10 years minimum...but it is quite possible.

Thank you Rick...the purpose in having a uniform color isn't just so its appealling on the field, but also so that its fans look "uniform" in supporting their school...at home and especially on the road. Having gone to the tourney game in New Orleans...what made our mediocre fan base even worse was the fact that there were 4 or 5 different shades of green in our crowd...as if our fans had just gone to walmart and grabbed random green shirts in support...and being an alum who missed out on the color change I take part of the blame in wearing my older shirt. I like our new uniform "kelly green" (tshirt on the far left of ricks pic) and hate the lighter version "toothpaste?"(other 2 tshirts) but the University must be 100% firm on its belief that if it sanctions a product that it doesnt settle for a close representation of that color. We talk of trying to build tradtions and we can't produce a uniform color?

Would somebody please explain to me what South Alabama has done to get themselves involved in the coaching carousel. First, John Pelphrey's skins include one NCAA tourney and a first place regular season finish in the Sun Belt that netted them a first round exit from the conference tourney. Second, Ronnie Arrow literally built the TAMUCC program and got them to the NCAA's in their first year of eligibility...had South Alabama made the NCAA's, they would've been a 13 or 14 seed...TAMUCC was a 15, not a huge step up. If Arrow is Billy Gillespie-ing (my new term for a coach who stays put for two years and moves up...replacing the old the previous term of "Larry Brown-ing") I think he could've held out another year and found something a bit more prestigeous than South Alabama.

Oh...forgot to point out...Middleton plays at Akron...one of the schools Thompson is visiting...if we pointed out the Watson to McCoy connection...I guess that needs to be pointed out as well

Oh...forgot to point out...Middleton plays at Akron...one of the schools Thompson is visiting...if we pointed out the Watson to McCoy connection...I guess that needs to be pointed out as well

Landing Thompson would be a major boon to this program. Prep school players are typically more mature and more college-ready because they've had that intermediate level of experience between high school and college. Brewster has produced some solid players in the past few years who have typically been solid role guys at big programs and counted on players at the mid-major level: Damion Grant 6'11 260 North Carolina Armon Gates 6'3 215 Kent State Joel Smith 6'4 195 Washington Cederick Middleton 6'0 180 Akron Adrian Joseph 6'7 205 Virginia Chris Lutz 6'2 190 Purdue Weyinmi Efejuku 6'5 205 Providence Jeff Adrian 6'8 225 Connecticut Xavier Silas 6'5 195 Colorado Will Harris 6'6 230 Virginia Mike Freeman 6'8 220 Hampton This is a list of the players who have passed through Brewster since 2001 who have made an impact on a significant college basketball program. Jeff Adrian is a star at UCONN; Lutz was all freshman Big 10; Silas averaged 13 ppg at CU; the others we're either starters or key reserves. Brewster produces good basketball players...and seemingly quality individuals as there is no record of any of these players being in trouble or even headaches to their respective clubs. If Thompson is anywhere near the level of these players...he is a steal and a huge recruit for us.