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I hope they have road games against UCONN, Yale and Boston College...I'll be more than proud to be the only person in the stands in green...what shade you ask...I'm not telling Annapolis is do-able too...would love a return game with Navy.

Most point guards White will face this year max out at about 6'3"...and I doubt highly he saw too many much taller than that in H.S. If OSU sticks with its starting line-up it has in its first three games, Obi Muonelo will be starting at point and he's a long and athletic 6'5"with a good outside shot...White would be giving up 7-8 inches and Muonelo can shoot right over him. 5'11" Byron Eaton will see plenty of minutes for OSU...so get White minutes against him. Add the fact that your most experienced guard is Collin Dennis...and a good start is key in a game like this. As for Hogans, if he is athletic as I've heard...haven't seen him at all...getting him some minutes at the 3 as a defensive stopper could be a huge role for him...despite any sort of a shot...surround him with scorers and he won't have to get a bucket ala Bruce Bowen.

Hmmm...OSU has been starting a big guard line up...Tyrel Harris (6'5"), Obi Muonelo (6'5") and James Anderson (6'6")...so I would be hesitant to start the 5'10" White when you have McCoy (6'4") and Dennis (6'2") and Hogans (6'6") available...

I love the occassional addition of a tight end and Papa Todd needn't look any further than Mizzou as a guide. Hmm...making adjustments mid-season when your original gameplan isn't as successful as you'd like it to be...what a novel idea.

Also add Monday's strong SBC showings - FAU - 62 Boston College - 68 - Its a loss, but considering the way FAU played against Rhode Island I thought they would get blown out in this game. Kudos to Rex Walters for being able to regroup a team thats been on the road for nealy a week. Also, kudos to the FAU backcourt for rebounding off their dismal performance against URI...on a night where star post Carlos Monroe was held to 2-10 from the field and 4 points, they got solid play from Carderro Nwoji, Paul Graham and Sanchez Hughley...guard improvement will be key for this team once conference play kicks off. UA-Little Rock - 71 Loyola Marymount - 40 - An absolute dominating performance against a school from the West Coast Conference (Gonzaga). UALR held LM to 13 first half points, focrced 23 turnovers and held LM to 21% shooting. UALR got a balanced scoring day from Shane Edwards (14), John Fowler (12) and Deandre Eggins (12). UALR is now 2-0, their other win against D-II College of the Ozarks. Tuesday - Denver - 76 Wyoming - 65 - Huge win for Joe Scott, especially on the heels of a 30 point dismantaling. Wyoming was picked in the middle of the pack of the Mountain West, which should be a two bid conference. Denver was 12-21 from 3pt land, including 4-5 from center Adam Tanner who finished with a team high 21. UD also got double-figures from Tyler Bullock (13) and true freshman point guard Kyle Lewis (16), who currently leads the Pioneers in scoring with 13ppg. South Alabama - 78 Ole Miss - 81 - Ole Miss opened with an 11-0 run and outscored USA 51-32 at the half. USA outscored Ole Miss by 16 in the second half, led by Demetric Bennetts 28 points. USA's depth has been hindered by the abscence of Daniel Hayles (Auburn transfer, 6'4" wing) who is only part time in school at USA and ineligible until classes end in December...only Dominic Tilford saw double figure minutes of the bench Western Kentucky - 88 Kentucky Wesleyan - 67 - This game was 46-45 WKU at the half...a very poor showing from a team that prides itself on being the class of the SBC (just ask any WKU fan)...WKU got 75 of their 88 points from 3 players. Big game tonight for UL-Monroe as they match up with Michigan State...a strong showing against a basketball powerhouse may easy the 29 point shalacking they took from Kansas.

I know three of those girls and they either currently go to UNT or are alum...so I'm assuming the remainder are similarly affiliated with the University.

Lots of new faces for Sean Sutton and the Pokies...and two major holes to fill in departed post Mario Boggan (19.0ppg, 7.6rpg) and scoring guard JamesOn Curry (17.3ppg, 3.7apg). Sutton responded with a deep and talented recruiting class and if their first game (104-48 over Prairie View A&M) is an indication of things to come, OSU will have lots of fire power and few problems finding contributors to make up the 36 points per game missing from their line up. Frontcourt: The job of replacing Boggan was going to fall to junior Kenny Cooper, but Cooper transferred over the summer and the post position will fall to a pair of true freshmen. Ibrahima Thomas (6'11" 238) is a long and athletic, yet raw post from Senegal. Thomas started against PVAM and went 5 for 5 for 11 points and 4 boards in just 16 minutes. Complimenting Thomas will be freshman Martavius Adams (6'8" 255); Adams posted similar numbers in OSU's opener, going 4 of 5 from the field, netting 11 points as well. For veteran leadership, Sutton signed Anthony Brown (6'6" 225), a JUCO transfer from Carl Albert JC. Brown is a bit undersized, but very strong and physical and is an ideal four in OSU's up-tempo style. Brown scored 8 points in 11 minutes of action. Marcus Dove (6'9" 215) is one of just two seniors on the Pokies roster and is versitille enough to play anywhere from the 2 to the 5. Dove is very athletic and a great defender and rebounder...and unconcerned with his offensive numbers, taking just four shots against PV, but pulling down 5 boards and dishing 4 assists. Backcourt: Athletic. Easilly the best word to describe this unit. Junior Obi Muonelo (6'5" 215) returns as the Pokies leading scorer (10.1ppg). Muonelo can jump out of the gym, shoots well, and has a decent enough handle to see limited time at the point, but often plays too fast and out of control. Muonelo put up 16, 12 of which came on his 4-7 three point shooting, and pulled down a team high six rebounds against PV. Terrel Harris (6'5" 190 Jr.) was right behind Muonelo in scoring last season (10.0ppg), but is the epitome of streaky, and demonstrated that with a 0 for 7 shooting performance in the opener, and this was at home...last season Harris excelled at Gallagher-Iba but struggled mightly on the road. Byron Eaton (5'11" 215(uhhh...very generous, at times closer to 230)) returns as the Pokies primary ball handler, and if he embraces that roll OSU could excede this season's expectations...but Eaton fancies himself a scorer and if he leads OSU in points on Wednesday, UNT will be in great shape. Eaton did go 4 of 6 against PV for 12 points and 4 assists. Sutton's prized recruit lived up to his billing against Prairie View; James Anderson (6'6" 195 Fr.) put up 29 on 11 of 15 shooting, and found time to lead OSU in assists with 5. Anderson was Mr. Basketball in Arkansas last season. Two other freshmen saw time in OSU's opener; Marshall Moses (6'6" 215) and Nick Sidorakis (6'4" 175) combined for 13 points and along with sharp-shooter Brad Garrett (6'5" 188 Soph.) a transfer from Southern Idaho give Sutton plenty of big , athletic guards to run his up tempo style. Overall: In terms of legitimate talent...OSU is lacking everywhere except in true freshman Anderson. In terms of athleticism, UNT will not see a comparable team...and the pressure will fall to Ben Bell, Dez Willingham and Josh White to make smart decisions against an aggressive, pressing defense that forced 36 turnovers against PV. OSU likes to run, and this game has the potential to finish with both teams in the 80s or 90s if UNTs offense is clicking. In terms of match-ups...Bell, Willingham and White can pressure Eaton and force him into mistakes; it will be more difficult for UNT to match up with OSU's height on the wing, especially if Dennis starts at the two. Up front, Wooden and Williams should be able to bang with the young OSU posts. I dont believe a shootout is advisable, but it may be unavoidable...this is a winnable game and I think the mindset of Johnny Jones and the UNT team has reached a point where it expects to win games like this, especially at home (where a packed house would provide a wonderful home-court advantage...HINT, HINT!!!!!) A win would be huge in sparking the positive momentum created last season. Prediction: UNT - 87 OSU - 84

Its amazing to me how many people have either missed our point or purposly ignored it. Nobody is attacking the Dallas, Fort Worth or Parker County Alumni who don't make it up for every basketball game...nobody is claiming that if you're not in attendance at every soccer match, swim meet or golf tourney that you're not a loyal UNT supporter...and nobody is saying that basketball is God's gift to sport (though, it is). The people who have been complaining about this issue for two days now are upset that our defending conference champions had 3100 fans to support them as a new banner went up in the Super Pit when an hour before there were 26 thousand fans directly across the street who could get into see the basketball team for free. One night...one night of commitment...one night of an angry wife or bratty kids...one night that you got to Tavern two hours later...one night that you knew months in advance could turn into a long night...even if you would've showed up to see the banner go up, cheer for the first five minutes until the game is out of reach and then head home. That place should've been full when that banner went up...no excuses.

That was my suggestion for improving the defense

You and I would be such good friends... What'd ya go with at NY Sub? I typically go with either the number 8 or number 12...no oil and vinegar, no tomatoes, add mayo...but theres a lot to be said for the Turkey Pastrami as well. Man I miss that place

Do we lead the country in safties?

I understand that weekday...or even weekend basketball games throughout the season are difficult to attend...and I don't expect anyone to have the same passion that I had for UNT basketball while I was in the area...but I'm not talking about next months game with Hartford...or even Weds. game with OSU...I'm talking about a game that was 500 feet away from a football game attended by 26 thousand people...and 3000 of those can make it over? For a conference championship banner raising? I guess in the end I should be happy...because all weekend I was upset thinking that I chose the wrong weekend to come back in town...I thought Homecoming was great...but I was thinking I missed the most exciting football game UNT has ever been apart of...and then right after I was going to have to book it over to the Pit for what had the potential to be a sold out basketball game...I was really upset I was going to miss it. I feel better knowing I only missed another weeknight basketball game against Jarvis Christian.

OK...show me the Student Only portion of this board and I'll gladly go bitch there as well. This board isn't just alumni...plenty of students on here as well...and I am calling out anyone who has ever posted on here complaining about fan support...anyone who has ever claimed to be a UNT athletic supporter...and it belongs on this board because this is where most of you I'm so angry at reside. Those of us who post regularly on the basketball board who could attend...were there. It is just ridiculous to me that only 12% of the football crowd were able to find the large, flat-roofed building with the flashing marquee directly across the street from their car. And, no, I didn't go to either game...as regretably I live 1663 miles away from the Super Pit and decided that the one trip home I could afford this year was two weekends ago for homecoming...anyone who wants to challange my loyalty though...feel free.

Most of the people at that game weren't really Indiana fans...rather basketball fans who wanted to come see Indiana...when UNT had it close late most who were cheering while Bracey Wright was banking three pointers from everywhere on the court where pulling for UNT in the last few minutes. I'm concerned this game could end up more like the Houston game...OSU has loyal fans who will drive the 2-3 hours from Stillwater and it could end up as Gallagher-Iba South if this sort of UNT fan apathy continues.

This is an appropriate place for these complaints for two reasons: 1. This is easily the most read board. 2. It is the 23K football fans who we're upset with. That goes for students and alumni as both read this board. You've known about the events of this day for a quite a while...plenty of time to make adjustments to your schedules and make sure the wife is happy...spend Sunday cleaning and cooking for all I care...but it was no secret that Saturday was going to be a long day for UNT fans (both literally and figurativly) so I just don't think I've read a viable excuse from anyone who claims to be a loyal UNT Athletics supporter...if you only claim to be a football fan...fine...its Texas and I know any sport other than football and NASCAR is either Yankee or French and thus sissy...but to the majority of you I am thorougly disappointed. Yup...and a good majority will probably be wearing Orange.

Ditto to my rant on the basketball board. You have a free ticket to a historic moment for your alma mater and you don't go? There is no excuse for that.

Oh what a great visual

They play UCLA. he looked better in green

After the first weekend of basketball for most SBC teams...the conference has a respectable 5-4 record, heres a couple of quick summaries: South Alabama - 73 West Florida - 41 - Dominic Tilford scored 15 and Brandon Davis and Demetric Bennett added 12 each. Interesting note, the USA frontcourt is a bit foul prone...DeAndre Coleman fouled out in 15 minutes and other starting forwards Brandon Davis and Ronald Coleman picked up four each. Daniel Hayles, a NCOY candidate, did not play WKU - 96 Kennesaw St. - 61 - Courtney Lee dropped 26 points in just 21 minutes...and 3 others scored in double figures including top freshman Stefphon Pettigrew with 11. Troy - 72 Alabama - 84 - Troy did a surprisingly good job of hanging with Bama but had no answer for Richard Hendrix who had 22 on 9 of 11 shooting. O'Darien Bassett had 17. UL-Monroe - 78 Kansas - 107 - Tony Hooper led the Warhawks with 19...Jordan Payne chipped in 17 off the bench but ULm was completely outclassed the entire game. Denver - 50 Oklahoma - 80 - Denver fell to 1-1, their one win an overtime game with East Central College, David Kummer (UNT_92's favorite player) had 11 to lead the Pioneers who may be having a bit of difficulty adjusting to Joe Scott's style as they committed 19 turnovers.

Quinnipiac - 85 Hartford - 79 (2OT) Hartford really was the better team last night...one QU shooter got hot late in the second half and basically carried QU to the end...but the is absolutly no reason for UNT to not win by 20. Hartford is a very small team...nobody on the roster is taller than 6'7"...starting center Warren McClendon is 6'6" 250...hes very strong and has range out to the 3pt line. Behind McClendon is Fabrice Tafo (6'7" 225 Jr.) is very active, but not very skilled...Morgan Sabia (6'7" 200 Fr.) is a wing who won't help on the block and Kevin Estes (6'7" 230 Fr.) will see minutes if foul trouble becomes a problem. Michael Turner (6'5" 215 Jr.) essentially starts at the four...he is very gritty and is the vocal leader of the team...Hartford also lacks a true PG and Turner handles those responsiblities frequently. Their guard rotation is solid: Joe Zeglinski (6'1" 185 Soph.) is a very fluid scoring guard...Rich Baker (6'1" 180 Sr.) is the teams best shooter and either Zeglinski or Baker or both are always on the floor. The other starter is a freshamn, Anthony Minor (6'6" 200) and he provides the teams only real athleticism. Off the bench...Brian Growiak (6'3" 180 Sr.) is another solid combo guard, as is Jaret Von Rosenburg who scored 7 in the teams first game...but didn't play against QU. UH stayed in a 1-3-1 zone the entire game...and with their lack of height will probably be forced into the same against UNT...which means Collin Dennis and Adam McCoy may have career nights shooting over the zone... Overall: UH gets its scoring from McClendon, Baker and Zeglinski - I think McClendon will pose a bit of a match up problem...but Zeglinski and Baker simply arent athletic enough to get the shots they got yesterday against our athletic guards. UH is very patient though...and UNT will have to play defense for all 35 seconds of each possession...but we should be able to run off of misses and find holes in their zone in the half court. This is a pretty major step down in level of compition for us and should be a relativly easy win.

3100!?!? What was football attendance? 25K? So 12% of you managed to walk the 500 yards from your Fouts to the Pit? THATS PATHETIC...and I could care less about drunken exhaustion, Saturday responsibilities or whiny kids/wives...anybody who posts on this board, claims to be a loyal UNT supporter who was able to go to the football game has a responsibility to go to the basketball game as well...plan accordingly early in the day...tell the kids or the wife that you need to be ready for a long day...go to Home Depot on Sunday instead...start drinking at 9:30 rather than 9:00...but there was no reason for the Pit to be anything less than 3 quarters full. People on this board bitch about a lack of traditions...well they're wrong...UNT has a proud tradition of apathetic fans who like to complain about the apathy of other UNT fans.

That would be a very small starting backcourt...6'3" 6'2" 6'0"...I think in both Dennis and Willingham you have that perfect combo guard...Jet Terry or Vinnie Johnson like. Starting both of them would almost be a waste. There is a such thing as having too many scorers on the floor at the same time...atleast in the first 35 minutes of a game. I havn't seen Hogans, but everyone seems impressed with him so far...so what about starting him at the 3 and making him a defensive specialist? OSU has three solid wings Obi Muonelo (6'5" 215), Terrel Harris (6'5" 195) and James Anderson (6'6" 195)...matching Hogans on on of these guys and forcing them to work for their buckets would be wise...Anderson dropped 29 against Prairie View and hes a true freshman. OSU won't get scoring from too many other spots but these 3 and their chubby charib of a point guard Eaton.

Rhode Island - 90 Florida Atlantic - 63. FAU has an incredible frontcourt. That said...pretty much anybody reading this board could transfer to FAU and find minutes in their backcourt. Carlos Monroe led the way for FAU with 22 points and 9 boards...most of the time working against a URI post with atleast 25 pounds on him. He showed nice range knocking down a few 12 footers and is incredibly smart at avoiding foul problems. Jeff Parmer scored only 4, but also dished out 4 assists...he was a bit too passive as he has some nice post moves and showed a nice attack from the three point line to the bucket. The biggest surprise to me was the play of Arlington native Brett Royster, a true freshman. How did we miss this kid? He is incredibly athletic, long arms, soft hands and solid post moves for an 18 yr old kid...hes going to develop into a force. Derrick Simmons contributed little...but he looks a few inches bigger than the 6'6" hes listed as. Once Sammy Hernandez gains his eligibility at the end of December, FAU will have a crowded but very talented frontcout. But man, their backcourt needs serious help. Paul Graham looks and plays just like Matt Barnes, just without any sort of perimeter shot. He attacks the basket very well and has solid mid-range from about 15 feet. JUCo transfer Carderro Nwoji started at point...and likely seems like FAU's best option their the rest of the year. He's lightning quick and plays some aggresive on the ball defense...but he couldn't hit a jumper any further out than 10 feet and his decision making is at best suspect...he wants to push but just doesn't have the talent on the wings to run with him. RS Freshman Xavier Perkins started at the two...he looked a bit over-matched at this point...hes big (6'4" 225lb) and will get smarter with his attack. Eni Cuka, Sean Alarcon and Sanchez Hughley all saw time in the backcourt...and all showed about the same, mediocre ball handling, questionable decision making and POOR outside shooting...as a team FAU went 1-11 from 3, Alarcon hit their only 3 pt with 3:20 left in the game when it was well out of reach. FAU was up through the first 15 minutes...and down only five at the half...but poor point guard play killed them. URI showed mostly man defense...and I wondered why b/c the 2-3 they went into occassionally was extremely successful...this is a team that needs Monroe to touch the ball on the block or for Graham to breakdown the defense, both would be limited by a 2-3 and they sure as hell won't shoot you out of a zone. JJ...ZONE THE HELL OUT OF THIS TEAM...and also press...Nwoji's handles are adequate but he's going to make mistakes and their second best ball handler might be Monroe. I felt bad for Monroe and his frontcourt mates...this backcourt was just woeful and I thought that with just a care taker point guard this team could be really good. Off to watch Hartford this afternoon.

Its dangerous to put too much stock in something like this... I wasn't able to see the game...but the score indicates to me that JJ made sure that his players didn't "play down" to their compition like I've seen in past years...and thats a tough thing to do. Cooley - I have a very hard time believing that Josh will knock Ben out of the starting role at the point...if for no other reason than Ben is a senior. Josh will see his minutes but there doesn't seem to be a need to rush him unless he is just clearly superior to Ben. Any word on why Dez didn't play?

He was a 6'6" wing when he went to school.