SilverEagle

?????? Are you presenting these guy's comments as representing the majority of North Texas alumni/fans out there?

Dodge hasn't had to recruit since he was a coach here at North Texas. So, that being the case, I would say that Bruce Chambers (the recruiting coordinator at Texas) could probably recruit better than Dodge. Bruce Chambers played HS ball at Dallas Carter, played football at North Texas under Hayden Fry, and coached at Dallas Carter. He's had several years in the college ranks....coaching AND recruiting. That's one.

Carthel is still my favorite. He's worked as a HC at two universities, and he's worked in the political arena (9 years on a school board). He knows how to coach and he knows how to promote a program.

Well, assuming that the 5 years to play 4 rule was in place back then, he was cutting it pretty close to play for Hayden Fry, who started coaching at NT in 1973.

Since there are several who have posted on here that like to remind us of the "real world", and since MM likes to remind us of the four bowl trips under DD, let me bring up a "real world" response. In the real world, when a coach takes his team to four straight bowl games, someone takes notice, and tries to hire him away. I've posted this once before, but it obviously bears repeating. We had a coach (Jerry Moore) with an 11-11 record and NO BOWL TRIPS. Coach Moore was hired away from us..... DD has not been. The real world spoke a long time ago about DD's accomplishments.

....with a reasonable chance to win the game.

Yeah, he took out a full page ad, rather than send a letter to all of the decision makers. From what I've heard, he seems to do that a lot (take out newpaper ads to express his opinions). So Chris, what would the guys over at the psychology dept have to say about that behavior?

I'm guessing that RV and Dr. B knew what MM's reaction would be. So I'm sure that they would not (or could not) have made this decision without the support of the BOR.

One of the scary things in MM's ad/manifesto was the statement that Dickey planned to spend the rest of his coaching career here. That sort of thing just doesn't happen anymore. I want coaches to be here that get hired away from us...... especially the head coach. We just need to have the next one (who has a very similar personality and football knowledge) waiting in the wings when that happens. You know, as I was telling FFR earlier this evening, naming the practice facility ater Dickey is fine with me. Practice seemed to be his strength. He was well known for his marathon practices/scrimmages in the spring and fall. The only problem was that game day preparation (attacking your opponent, making changes/adjustments during the game) was not his strength. With the exception of the La Tech game, if we ever got behind, we were never able to come back. Dickey can have his name on the practice field, but I want coaches who went into their games at North Texas with the expectation of winning regardless of their opponent, to have their names on a new stadium. The four that some to mind are Mitchell, Rust (using Mitchell's recruits), Fry and Nelson.

Knew about NT from attending homecoming games with my HS band, and from the teachers in my HS, who either got their BS and/or MS from North Texas. Wasn't interesting in any other school.

I was watching David Letterman the other night and he was talking about President Bush replacing "Rummie" with Dr. Gates, who used to work under the Sr. Bush. Letterman said, "This is part of the Bush administration's policy of "no crony being left behind". Are you listening RV?

Dunham interviewed Lance White during half time. LW gave a great interview. When asked what his fondest memories were at NT, he talked about all the games where they competed with the "big boys" and beat TCU......with a team that had only 65 ships! I remember that TCU game very well. Lance White was responsible for many of the fumbles that TCU committed that day because he went out and knocked the $hit out of em'. He was also part of a football culture who's un-spoken motto was.. WE DIDN'T COME HERE TO LOSE![/B] He also asked all ex-lettermen out there to come back to North Texas and participate in the game day experience.

Leave it to UNT to.... A. borrow someone else's motto and B. borrow one that is open to several interpretations.

I'm not bitter at Dickey, nor have I ever been. Dickey is who he is. He just should have moved on somewhere around 2001. RV should have, (or should have been allowed to) pull the trigger back in 2001. My bitterness is toward the University administrators and all of the dumb-ass hiring SNAFUS they've produced in the last 26 years. When Hayden Fry left, he recommended that Bill Brasher be hired as his replacement. That would have provided us with an extremely competent coach and much needed stability. Instead the administrators of that time (many of whom were Fry haters) said in a very dismissive tone "we'll take it under advisement". Brasher was insulted and joined Fry at Iowa. The rest is history......for Iowa anyway. Since then, it's just been one friggin disaster after another. The only competent hire we've made since Fry left was Corky Nelson. And the University never game him the resources that he needed to take us back to D-1......which he could have done without any problems.

The title of this thread (the Keep chopping part) puts me in mind of something. I have always sought a definitive interpretation of UNT's latin motto....Eundo Crescit. I was once told by a professor in the education dept. that our motto "Eundo Crescit" translates into todays vernacular as "Keep on Keep'in on". I have looked on the University's official web-site and cannot find ANY reference to our Latin Motto and what it "officially" means. (Isn't that typical of our University). Could someone please.... ...correct my spelling of the latin phrase if it's incorrect ....give the english interpretation of the University latin phrase/motto Cerebus?

AMEN! You need to have a coach that has Texas ties and knows what the challenges are at North Texas. One of the things that seemed very clear about DD was that he couldn't believe the anti-athletic culture that exsisted here at North Texas. Instead of going about trying to change those attitudes, he got surley and made snide and sarcastic remarks about it. You can't explain the North Texas athletic culture to someone from out of Texas. Everyone in America thinks that EVERY SCHOOL in Texas is football crazy....that isn't the case with North Texas. Hayden Fry recognized this and went about changing attitudes, by giving speeches to anyone in the community that would give him a chance AND by winning games. There are several coaches with Texas ties, and one with North Texas ties, that would have a much better understanding of the CHALLENGES that North Texas presents. PLEASE RV, DON'T MAKE A CRONY HIRE!

People complain about Darrell's non-conference record, but they sent him to play Texas and Oklahoma every year." I think the losses to South Florida (when it was a very new program), Florida Atlantic, Air Force, etc were the ones that were more telling and of more concern. "It's hard to go hunting elephants with a B.B. gun every season," said McIngvale, who pointed to UNT's lack of resources as a reason for the Mean Green's struggles in non-conference play. So he's going to take MORE resources from us? You just lost your moral high ground Mr. McIngvale. "His performance in that situation and his championing of the University of North Texas and the whole Denton area should have been taken into account." And, in what Universe did that take place? I wonder what color the sky is in Jim McIngvale's world.

Don't go brain dead on us RV. Don't hire another crony. Hire someone with strong Texas ties, who can put a good product on the field, and who already has connections with Texas HS coaches.

Todd Dodge has had most of his success as the SLC coach. He has had total control of the system. He has never had to recruit. People move to the SLC school district so that their children can get a great education as well as play in his system. SLC's tradition of fan support (and winning) was in place years before Coach Dodge arrived, so he's never had to build fan support.

OK, there's blasphemy, and then there's.......... BLASPHEMY!

and motivate the players and motivate the fans and motivate the alumni who actually have some money to donate.

The "stuff" I was talking about was the socializing that George mentioned that went on between him and the Dickey family. That is what compromises his professional opinion.

A bold statement considering that North Texas students/alumni pretty much invented crazy.

And now they're beating up on us. We used to be King of the Dip$hit$....now we're not even that.

When you do stuff like that it compromises your status as a professional. When that happens, people quit listening to you, and respecting your opinion. We need all the respect in the sports community that we can get.