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but you fail to understand that UNT can't afford mike......UNT does not have near the talent that mike had when he took over at Tech.....Tech was not nearly as far down in the dumps as UNT is when mike took over......UNT has to start the season on the road playing good teams instead of starting at home playing crap teams like mike likes.....mike might sell more tickets, but UNT does not have deep pocketed donors lining up to toss cash and just waiting for UNT to win before they do it....even with the new stadium UNT does not come close to the stadium. facilities, fan or donor support that Tech had then and that Tech has today and after one of those mike coached teams pulls a typical leach and plays down and loses to a horrible team the mike magic quickly fades especially with the players because mike tosses them under the bus and or tosses the facilities and fans under the bus sounds a lot like DD.....even when DD was winning.....not sure if you were a DD fan or a DD detractor, but once the "magic" was gone with DD he was out the door and he was coaching for CHEAP compared to what mike would want to be paid and compared to the things that mike would demand at least DD took something over that was HORRIBLE......and even with HORRIBLE FACILITIES and fan support DD did better than anyone at UNT had done in decades and decades......and UNT still did not support him or improve their facilities and when DD tried to bring it up he was vilified....even when DD did NOT go out and job shop himself to every program out there......mike is DD on steroids and mike WILL put his name out there very publicly for EVERY JOB OPENING and mike still has not shown he can really build something to the next level especially when fan and facility and alumni support is not there......mike showed he could change up the schedule to replace Ohio State and Ole' Miss and NC State with the little sisters of the poor and actually beat them and then get into one of the multitude of new bowl games that came along about the same time mike did....he showed he could take that success.....keep the same crappy schedule.....and then catch lightening in a bottle a few times and then make bigger and bigger demands while he and his teams hit a brick wall as far as really getting to the next level

actually you have a point....what I should have written is that leach would take a dump and TRY to go to a BCS team that was win less the year before and then when they took a pass on him he would come back to UNT and try and tell their fans and supporters that he was just having pirate talk with his agents and the AD of that program with a coaching vacancy for two hours in the bar at the coaches conference mike leach teams play down to the level of competition.....and for leach to get 8 wins in any season at UNT he would need to start the season playing Eastern New Mexico TxSouthern, and San Jose State all at home followed by a close loss to Baylor on the road that he would blame on tweets, fat girl friends, and players reading their press clippings.....then he would go .500 in the Belt and need to back into the most spare bowl on earth with an over achieving Utah State that was just glad to be there after that would be a public demand for a raise and a contract extension with all the money for leach guaranteed and leach having no buyout clause unfortunately for leach and UNT the money is not there to bring those three schools in to start the season and I am not sure the fans would show up for that even if UNT was winning and with a leach coached team there is every chance that press clippings and fat girl friends might sneak in a loss to one of those three as well which gets UNT basically right back to where they are today because the players would lose their motivation and it would be at a higher price against even worse competition and NO the WAC would not be good for UNT.....but UNT is not getting into the CUSA or the MWC either and even if they did it would be as bad or worse than the belt for them as far as wins and loses

leach won ten or more games one time in 10 years and it was the year when his contract was no longer being automatically renewed because Tech was tired of his contract demands with results that were not equal or better than his pay check leach won 9 games three times....one year playing two D1-AA teams and FIU.....one year playing 13 regular season games and a bowl game.......and one year playing SMU, Rice, and UTEP along with Northwestern State.......so what on earth makes you think leach would do that in a couple of years at UNT before he left more like leach coming in and going 4-8 and then 6-6 and taking a dump on UNT to go to some BCS program that went win less the year before

well if I wanted to see UNT fans suffer, leach fans have their lives shattered, and UNT go through more failure or have slight success and be dumped on then I would be for it I would love to see leach fans have their lives shattered, but I figure UNT fans have suffered enough so I am against leach for UNT plus I know he would never come to UNT for a multitude of reasons so thinking he will is dreaming I would much rather see leach go to a program where leach fans are sure he can win and watch him repeat the same 10 years of really doing nothing of significance while leach fans chant the mike leach mantra of "next year" again UNT fans have been tortured with that mantra enough and leach fans would point to the decades of failure as yet another excuse for leach and still cling to his bag of nothing at Tech while hoping he gets another chance at a "good program"

I am not sure that the UNT law school will ever open up for UNTd or for UNT.....it is certainly not needed and the graduates from it will have next to no chance of finding a job in the legal profession or if they do it will be a job that can't even cover their student loans if they have them as for "tier 1" mike will do ZERO to help UNT grow their endowment past 90 million much less get it close to the needed 400 million......the "students" that would be attracted to mike leach and a university where mike coaches would do next to nothing to raise the incoming freshman profile, and after mike left in a few years UNT would be exactly where they are now and mike certainly would do nothing to get UNT above 17 million in in total or the 9 million in federal research that UNT produced in 2008 (with 35 million in federal and "restricted" research for 2 years in a row being the number one goal and the primary requirement before any other)(TxState dis 19 million in total research and 3.3 million in federal that same year for comparison (TxState had much higher state and private research dollar amounts)) Mike would not help get a National Research Library designation or a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, Mike would not help UNT restructure their PhD programs to better meet the "tier 1" goals" and mike would not attract faculty that are members of national academies so no Mike would be zero help in meeting the state requirements for "tier 1" I gave you a +1 for being funny though

honesty it really does not make a difference to me one way or the other but the reality IMO is that he would never come to UNT so thinking he would is dreaming.....or I believe he would fail at UNT or have a very limited amount of success (by UNT and UNT ONLY standards) and then jump ship I think he would fail and for that alone I would not mind seeing it because it would smash the few leach fans left on the planet over the head with their silver thunder 40oz and wake everyone up to the fact that a circus act that never changes is just an old tired circus that only little kids want to see until they have seen it once or twice or until they have grown up then it is the same old BS from the same old BSer

actually he would not sign such a document.....which is why he is no longer coaching anywhere leach will come in, act like a child, make a lot of demands, and then at the end find something to be unhappy about and a way to drive a wedge between him and the university and the administration while crying to the public about it while what leach did to adam james was in itself not that huge of a deal the things HE SAID in the process and more importantly his refusal to see or understand the massive legal liabilities he opened Tech up to during the process and most importantly (and why he was fired) he refused to acknowledge those liabilities and sign off on a document that Texas Tech HAD TO HAVE PERIOD that dealt with the FUTURE treatment of injured players and their medical care......his refusal to acknowledge or agree to that change IN WRITING was the kind of legal liability that only a moron or a moron administration would accept at a public university and because of that he was shown the door again if you want an ego filled bag of beating D1-AA teams and losing to top programs and some horrible teams along the way....all at a HUGE price tag and zero loyalty....get leach.....if not get anyone else

leach is equivalent to a 5 star player that still drives around in his car with 4 pounds of weed and his gat while playing and getting a free ride at a top program......if you want him have at it

you are dreaming if you believe any of that is even close to being true lets cut through the BS Leach will never come to UNT.....it does nothing for his ego, he has never built a program up from nothing.....and the first thing he would do is start talking like Dickey did and asking when more improvements are going to be made and when more money will be spent......then while that is being done (pretending that UNT would actually be able to do it like Tech was able to) Leach would be flying all over the USA on coach class tickets shopping for his next big job that would pay him more, feed his ego, and accept wins over D1-AA teams and losses to all the big teams in the conference and a few losses to horrible teams sprinkled in for good measure as well there is nothing close to being similar to Tech and UNT.....while not spectacular by any means Spike Dykes at least had a winning record in the SWC and in the BIG 12 and Tech had done more than Spike did in the past (and more than Leach as well) and Tech consistently pulled in more fans and invested more in their program than UNT ever has....Leach took over a team that had been 6-5 the year before (not great but better than 5-32 or whatever Todge is) and the Big 12 was having some issues with their southern teams when Leach took over as well Leach is a circus act coach and he has no real coaching abilities and that showed his last year when his players finally figured out he had reached the limits of his abilities and more importantly they figured out that he knew he had reached the limits of his abilities and that was why he was looking to jump ship to another place eager for a circus geek to come try and catch lightening in a bottle only the dumbest of the dumb and the most immature Tech fans want anything at all to change with the administration....Leach did not help build their Basketball Facility the administration did, Leach did not help build the west side of their stadium it was already planned and mostly funded when Leach arrived, Leach did not get the money for the SBC/ATT naming the administration did Leach does not do fund raising, leach barely does coaches shows, leach makes a point to ignore fans and alumni supporters which is why Tuberville was able to raise more money in the time period BEFORE his first game ever at Tech than Leach did in his entire 10 years there.....he upgraded the practice turf, upgraded the weight room, and upgraded some of the other trophy facilities as well.....all buy doing what Leach would never do which is picking up the phone and asking Tech sold more season tickets than ever THIS YEAR after Leach was fired and at higher prices than anytime in the past.....the athletic foundation is at a record for donations already, and their season ticket sales were higher than the total capacity of the new stadium at UNT as for the university administration.....Tech is at record enrollments for the last few years, with higher incoming freshman metrics to boot so they have not just opened the flood gates for anyone to come be a student 4 out of 5 years Hance has been at Tech he has raised over 100 million in donations (this had nothing to do with leach period) and he has helped recruit more top faculty (and even a few groups of faculty) than at any time in the past if anyone is "hanging out with friends that want a change in administration at Tech" then you are hanging out with a drunken, foolish, child like, immature, moron that will never have the money or the clout to change anything at Texas Tech ever and in a few years they will be remembered as "the idiots" of the group and they will be roundly mocked for their stupidity and ignorance in thinking that mush mouthed pirate had much to do with anything at Tech or Lubbock other than beating some teams he should have beat, once in a blue moon beating a really good team, and going to the spare.org bowl what changed Lubbock probably the most dramatically was the destruction and rebuilding of north overton (the Tech ghetto) which would be similar to cement city at UNT......leach had ZERO to do with this and it would have been done even if Tech was going 5-32 in football for the last few years......the Overton Project was done by Delbert McDougal that is not working with Irving for parts of their Heritage District and with Arlington and UTA on parts of their city around UTA.....leach had zero to do with or ti influence this and it was the most dramatic thing to happen to Lubbock in several decades another thing that helped was the transformation of Reese Air force base which McDougal also helped with and it has been still to this day the most successful transformation of a former air force base in the USA.....it was well underway before leach even dreamed of coaching in Lubbock leach was only able to stick around in Lubbock so long because of those drunken, childish, idiots that hang their hats on putting 70 points on sisters of the poor and hang their hats on 7 and 8 win seasons and consecutive fruit bowls and .com bowls.......everyone else has figured out the reality that none of that means anything to anyone when you are paying top 10 money to a coach that recruits poorly, job shops every year instead of recruiting or preparing for his biggest bowl game ever, never makes a BCS game, and never sniffs winning the 12 team conference once in 10 years am sure your same group of friends that wants the "administration" out at Tech was also bragging about how after 10 years of leach they still had to ride the coattails of UT to get into another conference because every other conference out there does not count the spare.web bowl and a string of seasons of beating up D1-AA teams and dropping other games to decent or even horrible teams much less the good teams you played as "accomplishments".......they count that as just another team going through the motions yet through all of that tech has grown as a university and Lubbock has grown as a city and Tech has redone or built new nearly every athletic venue on campus.....all without the help of leach or leaches string of ho hum seasons supported by people that have the point of view of last week and the vision of the future through the bottom of a beer bottle could leach improve unt.....perhaps in wins and losses on the field, but I am not even convinced of that.....and he would do nothing to improve other facilities (although he would demand they be improved and pout if they were not)....he would improve the amount of money you spend on coaches because if he did not he would be on the next plane to the coaches conference to sit in a bar for two hours with the AD of some bigger program and "not talk about football or their coaching vacancy".....instead of recruiting, raising funds, or meeting with fans or alumni much less working on defense or special teams or beating the top teams in the conference leach would be at best a 2 or 3 year flash in the pan at UNT and at worse he would just be the next highly over paid Todge take the risk if you want to, but if you think Leach will build long term support, improve facilities through his efforts, improve Denton in any way shape or form, or do anything other than promote mike leach while he is there you are dreaming and listening to idiots that have the life experience of a nat and the brains and vision of a flea which is what those that wish for leach to still be at Tech or for any administrator to leave or be let go at Tech possess

do you use old spice :unsure:

can we pretend it was like losing to one of the worst in CUSA

except for their 12K additional seats

the Tx State info was for the one that ask "why" you can expect TTU at just under 32K and UNT at just over 35K without counting the 2K at UNTd anything else will not be released until after the 12th class day when numbers are final

you of all the ones talking about a long diatribe I hope your business located in a town west of the city called Fort Worth and nicknamed Cowtown or Funkytown by some that plays sounds through a speaker system for people attempting to have merriment on days that are occasions that are special to them is doing well in this economy and that the business you are able to generate picks up in the future when this economy that anyone with an ounce of common sense calls the suck turns around and increases in economic velocity

UH does not have "satellite campuses" they have two system centers one in Sugarland and one in Cinco Ranch and the student at those two would count towards which ever university in the UH system offers the programs they are enrolled in....UHV, UH Downtown, and UH Clear Lake are all free standing universities with their own enrollment counts http://www.txstate.edu/about/25points.html I don't see it listed on there, but TxState also has a fish collection that represents one of the oldest lines of genetically pure lines of breeding stock in the USA http://www.xiphophorus.txstate.edu/stockcenter.html they have a beautiful campus with a great setting, a top quality Aquatics program and a Geography program that has been highly ranked several times....they also have a college of business with a larger endowment than the college of business at UNT and an engineering program with the same or more endowment resources than the one at UNT and the total endowment for Tx State San Marcos is only $110,000 and change less than UNT's they also have a new nursing program that has a decent endowment and offers a much needed degree in an area that has been under served for nursing graduates so location and quality of programs and types of programs offered THECB enrollment numbers of interest from 2000 until 2009 University of North Texas 27,054 27,858 30,183 31,065 31,155 31,947 33,443 34,153 34,698 34,781 Texas Tech University 24,199 25,416 27,569 28,549 28,325 27,940 27,996 28,260 28,422 30,097 University of Houston 32,123 33,007 34,443 35,066 35,180 34,582 34,334 34,663 36,104 37,000 The University of Texas at Arlington 20,424 21,180 23,821 24,979 25,297 25,216 24,825 24,888 25,084 28,085 The University of Texas at El Paso 15,224 16,220 17,232 18,542 18,918 19,257 19,842 20,155 20,458 20,977 The University of Texas at Dallas 10,945 12,455 13,229 13,718 14,092 14,399 14,523 14,556 14,943 15,783 The University of Texas at San Antonio 18,830 19,883 22,016 24,665 26,175 27,291 28,379 28,533 28,413 28,955 Texas State University-San Marcos 22,423 23,517 25,025 26,306 26,783 27,129 27,485 28,121 29,105 30,803 University of North Texas at Dallas N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 2,109

not sure why this really matters enrollment size says nothing about the quality of a university