HoopManX

I don't think anyone jumps at any offer, unless it's not level appropriate. Kids who are low majors jump at mid major offers etc. Marginal high major kids jump at elite high major offers, should they come. Other than that, you have to win kids on the trail. SMU is doing a fair job of that this year, and last to be honest. The reality is that York may be better than a few of the kids Doh has targeted at the same position, but they weren't going to accept any York verbal, even if he wanted to commit, prior to hearing from Cannen Cunningham and Tre Drye, at least. Not saying I agree w/the pecking order, but it is what it is. SMU had him at elite camp, and York was very receptive. Since that time, they've brought 4 face-up 4s on campus, most for OVs, and none were named York. I spoke w/Lutz the other day, and he said York had a very unlucky recruitment. Most schools that were interested filled up at his spot, and he wasn't left w/a ton on the table after that. Personally, I would liked to have seen him end up at SMU or UNT, but whatever. I guess we'll see what happens w/Drye and Cunningham

Sorta bummed about York, I really like him. Doh seems smitten w/Tre Drye & Cannen Cunningham. Cunningham I get, but I like York more than Drye. Good pull for Keating

FWIW, I understand why Cooley started this thread and obviously have no problem w/it, but quit w/the Tubbs junk. Jimmy was a stop-gap hire b/c the search flailed, he pleaded, and DISD backed him publically. Nobody at SMU expected Jimmy to deliver McD AA's cause he'd never done it in the past, either at SMU or OU. He was a very overrated recruiter on Dements bench, and to get kids like Sasser & Davis, SMU had to give them both the green light and control. SMU has never made a living off DISD, so to think Tubbs would change that is silly. Like SMU was just gonna grab Darrell Arthur or whomever, just b/c Tubbs was coach? Nobody believed that, and there was no history to suggest it was even a possibility. Straight up, Tubbs was scape-goated and I'm the first to say it, but he wouldn't have made it beyond year 3 w/o the 'burgers and cheer' incident anyway. He was a fine man, good person, and a solid assistant, but he was over his head behind the scenes at SMU. He was holding on really tight and his health was effected from Day 1. Doh can't seem to get it done on the court, but he has many of the Park Cities heavies in his pocket. That's why Doh got facilities upgrades that Tubbs never would have come close to getting. Beyond that, Orsini was hired as AD right around the 'Burgers & Cheer' incident. Of course he wanted to put his own stamp on the program

It's embarassing, but we've all known it was coming since the end of last season. It's simply an effort to put up wins and manufacture momentum. They won't draw anyone OOC,nor do they care, but if they clean up that schedule, the frontrunner students and alums may show come conference time. No one is going to care who they beat, if they actually beat people. Beyond that, manufacture enough garbage wins and SMU will attempt to buy their way into the CBI or whatever. Also, they are putting a completely new offensive & defensive system in this year, which requires real execution, and they don't have the right personnel yet. What's funny is that it took Doh 4 full years to find a system that may work at SMU, and its not even his primary system. He had to hire Mangino, a 4 out 1 in expert, and Doh had to relinquish control of the O & D to him. A pretty wild situation, if you know anything about what a control freak Doh has been in the past. His reality is that he's recruiting full time now, specifically out west, and Mangino is running the team. That could be a far better look, but who knows. The schedule won't look like that forever, and it's frustrated many an SMU fan, but wins & recruiting are the bottomline, not RPI or SOS right now. Hopefully that'll change soon

aren't you guys freakin out a little prematurely? The kid averaged 12ppg as a frosh in juco, on a team that had other legit D1 prospects. That's pretty respectable

Petteway to Tech. Have to wonder if that changes things w/Gotcher

they could support the basketball team better, that's for sure

Only a few SMU fans know Petteway exists. I doubt they'd freak out. He's a very gifted scorer, though.

I heard Petteway's recruitment isn't going particularly fast, but he's a really really good player. Would be an absolute score for unt

exactly. They wanted no part of him in that coaching search, despite his people reaching out. Speaks volumes

someone should audit Lawrence Johns and we'll see how deep the rabbit hole goes. Any booster wrongdoing comes back to Drew walking a blurry line. From hiring Dwon Clifton, to reported unscrupulous Seawolve activity, to Stargell Love being payback for John Wall via D-one and Clifton etc. The man had an Ater Majok verbal right off the boat, which we all know is gonna help bury Calhoun etc. I've been in plenty of in-home & OVs as well, and the head man seldomly makes the $ pitch. Memphis thought Drew was disengenuous and snake oil slick, lol.

Yea, that's not how he's lining pockets. Drew is a shady shady recruiter, the whole industry knows it. I wouldn't expect him to buy cheeseburgers, though.

I would doubt it, nor do I think the SMU staff thought it would get done this weekend. Most are confused as to why they'd bring in Jones & Drye on the same weekend, when they are telling both thet are wings. Obviously, the big weekend for SMU hoops recruits will be SMU/TCU in a few weeks. I think Cannen Cunningham, Karim York, Anthony Walker, Amir Garrett, possibly Keaton Miles and a few others are up that weekend.

Lutz is a young dynamo on the trail that was completely held back by Doh. Doh plays games w/scholarships, spends too much time evaluating, and doesn't take staff contributions easily etc. Prime example is Groselle, who Doh just never really liked, then slowplayed. Lutz would have grabbed him and run over a year ago. Kid is a basketball legacy at SMU and got fed up. As for the Creighton job itself, he's finding it a fairly easy sell. 15000 fans per game, basketball first school etc. Beyond that, they gave him more money and McDermott has a 8-10 year deal. Lutz had no help at SMU, none. So much staff turnover etc.

ha, you guys beat CUSA teams straight up for Jordan Williams. Gotcher just wants the biggest offer, that simple.

Several things, I'm not saying coaches are dying to come to SMU. I'm saying SMU has eff u money, and they'll throw it around, even if it doesn't make fiscal sense..see June jones. At the rate they are willing to pay, they have serious hiring power. Beyond that, I've spent my life in the basketball industry, and know how the SMU job is perceived in coaching circles. I'm also well aware that you don't have to hire big to achieve. I'd prefer a young up'n'comer, but that just isn't the current philosophy of the SMU AD, so you have to assume he's gonna fundraise and push the envelope. Also, I never said there was no way UNT would beat SMU, nor did I even imply that. It would be a good game. I think you're favored in Denton, SMU in Dallas. Facilities are alot more than where the game is played, or people would say Duke has crappy facilities, Indiana too. As for TCU, it's the local flavor of the last few years. SMU could easily be in that position for the next round of serious expansion down the road.

Id love to see the game, but attendance for one game doesn't mean much to SMU. That's the reality. If a little extra revenue is all you can offer, it's not happening

SMU has been in leagues w/those programs in the past. They may be again. That's a far different situation than UNT, who offers no market, no money, average facilities etc. I agree, I'd like to see everyone play as well. Unlike some of you, I just understand why they aren't playing

grand, I agree w/your take, but its not happening anywhere anymore. in the past, there was a Big 4 tourney in Carolina, but it went away. None of the teams in DC, on a similar level, will touch each other. Same w/Philly etc. Playing locals in death matches is a lost art, not just SMU. You don't see Maryland & Gtown playing each other, or even Gtown & George Washington. SMU gains victories by playing scrubs. Victories are more important to that programs perception, than putting their butt on the line vs. a local. SMU pays lip service to local recruiting, but they've never recruited the Metroplex, short of the Sasser class in the 90s. Increasing exposure locally means actually knocking off A&M or UT, not playing UNT. They basically want to schedule down, so their OOC schedule features a bunch of Ws. Then, when conference rolls around, they can capitalize on record to fill seats. They are hopeful no one will remember who those victories were against lol. Sad but true. FWIW, I don't agree w/how they schedule, but freaking CUSA sent out a memo to every program to schedule down. Its not just SMU. Scheduling up makes average leagues a one bid league

They'll lose more than they win in that stretch. How many do you really think they'll be favored in?

I agree, attendance would be fantastic. I love it, if only b/c I'm dying to see both teams in big time environments. That said, why does SMU care about a few extra bucks, if it puts their ass on the line? They don't, and have the money not to care. Give me something better than a few extra bucks on the spreadsheet

You guys are the homers here, not me. That's SMU's AD stance on scheduling UNT, and it's not really up for debate. SMU has nothing to gain by playing, and possibly losing to a local, its that simple. It doesn't matter how many tourneys UNT has been to recently, b/c SMU is the more profile program & job nationally, always will be. They have too much money, and are considered a sleeping giant in industry circles. Better conference affiliation etc. I know, I talk to coaches & reps every single day. You folks know just as well as I do, that they are going to go big next hire and will have a slew of high end coaching options. Can you say that when JJ hauls? When UNT is in the position to deny SMU a game, I hope they do so. I'm all about playing all comers, but get over yourselves. You wouldn't definitely beat SMU, nor would Vegas even favor you if it was at Moody. UNT would be a very average CUSA team, just like SMU. I'm all about logical discourse, but the fact you guys think you're vastly better than SMU, mostly b/c you've achieved some success in a lesser league, stinks of polyanna. Seriously, how does playing UNT help SMU in any way? Quit w/the kneejerk garbage responses and give me one reason SMU should play UNT

it's not a commitable offer. Tons of kids think they have offers, then ask school site publishers to update the offer list, after giving an interview. football offers are very different than hoops offers. Many lists on rivals/scout/espn are what the kid says, w/o independant staff verification etc. I'm friendly w/quite a few recruit coordinators via my job, and I can't tell you how many times an offer will be listed, where the kid just can't committ.

I've been hearing for months that he's done to Texas Tech, FWIW. Some rumor that he's waiting around for an actual Baylor offer, much like all the Seawolves, if only b/c something fishy is going on w/Lawrence Johns. Baylor wants to get Quincy Miller & Deuce bello on campus, to see if they can get Bello to verbal first. If not, they may fall back on Gotcher. Not sure what else they have brewing.

Wow, Western could take 5 or 6 losses before Dec 5th. That's a brutal stretch