Army of Dad

To your first point I would agree that there is a wide divergence in the opinions of the two groups you mentioned. I would add a qualifier to the former group: more guns in the hands of good guys makes for safer situations. To your second point, I don't have all of the facts and haven't seen a detailed report of this incident. I don't think you can make such a definitive statement without more fully understanding both this incident in particular and the relative training levels you are talking about.

That's isn't what he said and you know it. -66 is consistently anti- 2nd Amedment, yet tries to throw out that's he's not in just about every post. I honestly can't recall a single position he took that was pro gun rights.

I was surprised to see so many people in the stands.

Oh, they argued in and out of the store. And you know that everyone else in the area was able to hear it and understand what was being said? Just because they are (presumably) yelling doesn't mean that will make the situation clear to everyone in the area. You keep making these diffinitive and absolute statements and I've not seen or read anything that backs up what you are saying. It's certainly possible I didn't read the same stories you may have, but I've mentioned it several times and you don't appear to have back up for most of those statements. Yes you are denigrating his actions and his motives for acting. It is certainly possible his actions prevented the shooter from engaging others. That is something that can't be proven either way, but the former marine was well within his rights to act as he did. It's probable that he could have things better, but he did something instead of just standing by and watching. It's obvious our opinions differ, but that's a commendable choice in my opinion.

Oh, how is it clear to the people on scene at that time it was a domestic? We know that now, but haven't seen anything that indicated it was well known to others at the time of the incident. Do you know how he approached the shooter? Do you even know how the scene was laid out? If not, how can you be so definitive? I'm not sure why you feel the need to denigrate the actions and/or the motivations of others who attempt to protect people. The threat to others isn't a big leap. You've already got one major crime. Those often lead to additional crimes.

It's no guarantee that we will get the crossover games you are talking about. UAB's return could cause that to change quite a bit...

It sounds like you are the one making big leaps. Why not attempt to secure the store entrance? Because their are other potential victims outside (including the good samaritan's wife). Additionally, I haven't seen any reports that indicate anyone other than the first victim knew this was a domestic violence incident. Have you? If not, then you are making a leap in logic. It's unlikely the former marine failed to consider cover or concealment, why are you so dinfinitive that he didn't? He likely made at least one tactical error, but approaching the shooter probably wasn't it (it's possible that an error was approaching to close, but that's not the same thing as approaching the shooter). It's been one year since two terrorist douche bags tried to kill a bunch of people in Garland. They were stopped, not by withdrawing, but by moving towards the threat. In fact, it's now fairly standard to move to active shooters. I haven't seen any information that shows the threat was clearly over when the former marine decided to do something. I hope if you are ever confronted with a deadly situation such as this you are able to safely cower away from the shooter while others act to save you. Each situation is different and must be assessed by the people there at the time, but please understand that many people prefer to be more active in the defense of themselves and others. Be thankful, they may just save your life one day.

Not so fast my friend. Was the shooter returning to his car to arm up? Or, rather than go through each of the scenarios you used to make your argument let's address this first: Have you ever considered how to address this situation and taken into account things like your skill level, your preparedness (mental, physical, weapon availability), tactics, identifying cover or concealment, effective means to stop unlawful behaviors?

Usually, no. Sometimes the NCAA will make an exception, like when UAB killed off their program. Kids could transfer and be eligible immediately. If the gaining school was already at their limit they could take a UAB player and reduce the next class.

Some people will never get that since they can't comprehend the decision to get involved and risk one's own life to protect another. Quite possibly this. The wife of the shooter has made public statements that she thought he was coming to finish the job he started when he shot her in the ankle.

Two different things there. 85 total scholarships, no more than 25 per signing class. The 25 is subject to be adjusted based on several factors. In many cases if a walk on is put on scholarship in his first two years he has to count against his original singing class(as an example). We were told the reason Littrell's first class was small was because of those retroactive 'signings' when walk ons got 'ships. This happens when the original signing class was already full so the next signing class must be reduced to balance that out. (hope that makes some sense)

It's not the thread that's depressing, but the state the program...

Not quite. Where a player played does matter when it comes to evaluations. First, there's a question about the talent level he played against (for both film evaluation and trying to project him at the next level). Second, if only a few teams come to a school's Pro Day then most of the league aren't likely to draft one of those guys since they don't have any of the basic measurables on them.

Will have to wait and see if there is another massive round of turnover if Kee stays or if Kee is allowed back again...

And nothing like the Kee quotient!

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This is the most quiet the board has been in all my years here. This is a major danger sign, even the more ardent supporters are being driven off. I think it's fair to say that the apathy has seeped into the GMG community.

I just can't see that reconnection taking place under the current leadership. Too many lies, broken promises, and incompetence to overcome. Both sides are just too divided, and likely to remain that way. Coach Littrell has a monumental task in front of him and support will be lacking (especially in the stands). If he pulls this off then he will have a spot in the HOF, and he will be gone to a bigger job. I am cautiously optimistic that he might actually be able to pull it off. Basketball is just f-ed. There's nothing there to be excited about. I hope new leadership is forthcoming and SL, Jalie, and whoever is the new men's BB coach can rekindle the fire of Mean Green Nation and it isn't too late by the time they have success...

They built a rep for good D, but they haven't realty lived up to it in their Big 12 time.

Wilson had some injury issues already, no? He should get less blindside hits and have more of a chance to prepare for the coming shot. QS is, I think, wwell muscled enough to help absorb a pounding. I'm pretty sure he was one of the top offseason workout guys last summer. Like most people who understand the new rule have been saying since he transferred here... Yeah, I'm more than a bit surprised to see that about Young. Anyone know if he has been dinged up or something?

If they work out. But Jucos don't work out as starters very often. Agree on the freshman recievers though.

Yes, because when I think of great defenses I think of the (not so) Big 12...

If this were left up to the usual suspects I would have not been surprised to see an announcement in late June. It looks like Seth and his boys aren't playing around. I'm surprised and happy to see that.

Yes, and I hope that fails. I like Cabela's just they way it is and I shop there over Bass Pro most of the time for good reason.

Not golf related, but I think you could say it's a fun/cool North Texas sighting.