UNT Five&Dime

I'd love a solid green helmet, thin double white center stripe. No logo.

I'm 100% behind McCarney. If Fran or Leavitt weren't happening, I wanted Canales to get the chance he deserved. But this is a solid hire and I think we'll have some pretty damn good successes in the coming years. Go Mean Green!

Don't D00D me.

One or two hand touch?

If someone intercepts the ball, do they run to the 50 and turn around?

I think Jim is too.

We'd be resposible for half the Big 12 losses this year, so I would think so. It would definitely put us near the top of the Mid-Major Poll.

Is that Boyz n the Hood Cuba Gooding, Jr guarding him?

I've been wanting to say this for 2 weeks now, but decided it wouldn't be worth my time. +1 for you and your courage.

Can we carpool? It's all about sustainability.

What does your race have to do with any of this?

Internet should be capitalized.

We are 1-0 since they got approved. Coincidence?

A couple of things before I end this wonderfully enlightening conversation we are having... 1) I have read enough of the report to know that something happened. The fact that the report exists is proof enough for that. BTW, it's called a report in the 'Enclosures' of the termination letter. 2) The interview summation FFR has posted show varying accounts of what happened. I take that as proof something happened. FFR and others take it as proof of a conspiracy to terminate a contract. 3) Leavitt Papers Some Findings: "Leavitt’s “passion” and energy that particular day was further exhibited in the helmetless head-butt that was exchanged between Coach Leavitt and another Student Athlete (who was wearing a helmet) which resulted in a bleeding wound across the bridge of Coach’s nose." "Leavitt yelled at Student Athlete A. Leavitt then placed his hand on the player’s throat and slapped him twice in the cheek. These actions were personally observed by several Student Athletes who had the clearest line of sight to the event. Despite Coach Leavitt and Student Athlete A’s denial that any inappropriate contact had taken place, the reviewers find it more likely that contact did, in fact, occur to the face and throat/neck area of Student Athlete A. This report was substantiated by multiple reports from credible direct eye witnesses whose recollection was corroborated." "Leavitt denied grabbing or slapping Student Athlete A. He describes his actions as “shaking” Student Athlete A by his shoulder pads and asking him what was wrong because he “appeared to be down.” After careful review of all the witness accounts, it appears more plausible that an inappropriate physical encounter did in fact occur, contrary to Leavitt’s portrayal of the incident, to the neck and face of the Student Athlete." So what happened? I wasn't there. I'm sure nobody else on this board was. But, you can't read all that and shrug it off as nothing. It's common sense. How overblown is all this, if any? Nobody knows except Leavitt and Student Athlete A. Nobody has claimed Leavitt is an abuser, just that he put himself in a situation to be accused of something. 4) I don't need to listen to other alumnus. I can do my own research to make my own conclusions. What credibility do they have in any of this anyway? Regardless, just because they agree with you doesn't mean they're right.

Okay, I believe you. It's not like you just registered here to push a certain coach. The only thing the report / investigation / inquiry / whatever you want to call it proves is that something occurred. It is highly likely it got physical in some manner. Yes, grabbing a student athlete's pads is physical. I understand it happens, and many condone it calling it "passion", but something happened to make at least a couple people uncomfortable. A line got crossed somewhere. Does UNT ignore this and take a chance? Who knows. The one thing I have learned from this thread is that you can register to push a certain coach exclusively and not only can it be accepted, but also embraced by those so vocal against the other coach pimps. You're just selling the right trick.

I think the Band thread proved many prefer Troy.

I fail to understand how you can compare recruiting for USF to recruiting for UNT. The level of FBS competition in Texas is remarkably superior to that in Florida. States border us too, and those same big conferences recruit here. Selling 7 homes games with an road to another Florida school is easier than a 5 game home schedule in a dump we've had to sell in the recent past to in-state recruits. Would you rather play against C-USA and Big East talent while handing out grass kickings to the SBCs of the world, or play against SBC talent and have your grass kicked by the SECs and the Big 12s? That's a no brainer. They aren't the same situations. Not even close. Conference affiliation counts for a lot. It might be more accurate to compare USF to Texas Tech. Texas Tech is probably #4 in pecking order in Texas. They accomplish the same thing. Average finishes in a BCS conference, with a quick stay at #2 before a fall. They'll continue to get the big boy leftovers, and we'll scrap the bottom of the barrel. Again, our conference will play a huge role in that. So really, what USF has done isn't anything not done before nor since. Leavitt and Leach would boost our recruiting. I don't doubt that. They won't be bringing in a plethora of NFL talent nor stealing any significant recruits from UT, OU, etc.. Not anytime soon at least. No denying they'd be a boost to our coaching also. But they aren't getting us to #2 or have us BCS busting in the near future. A big name isn't needed to succeed where we are at. I think that thought is driven by years of jealousy and the desire to thump one's chest and say "We're big time!". The need to go from one extreme to the other isn't the only way to go. For the record, I'm a Fran-Leavitt-Canales guy. In no particular order. I'd be happy with any. Leach is not the kind of man I want associated with my University. Leavitt is borderline. I'll defer to RV and Neinas to decide if he's a man of character or not. That's above my pay-scale. Accusations don't just pop up without something to fuel them. I'm not as impressed with his .622 record and 3rd place finishes as some either. There is no telling how that would translate to an SBC school behind 8-9 other Texas schools. Fran would give UNT the name splash many want and what I regard as a great football mind. Does he have the heart for it? I don't know. Canales has improved the two of the most frustrating things about the Dodge teams in in just 3 weeks... discipline and turnovers. From his limited time at HC, he has shown to at least be competent at the job.

45-36 UNT at half.

So far, this poll is proving nothing we couldn't deduce from everyone's posts.

Hi. Who wouldn't? The myth of USF being a top AQ team is all I am challenging.

Where did anybody say this? Quote it if it's out there. I'm sure as hell not re-reading the 9 pages of this thread. Why is everything so sensationalized with some of you people? I can assume it's directed at me and my posts. Yea, USF got to number 2 in BCS. Once. For one week. What else have they done but been an AVERAGE AQ team? Spare me the 14 years crap. They had extraordinary circumstances and are now a perennial 7-8 win team. The only thing I've said is tap the brakes on their praise.

Third sentence... "I don't know."

Shhhhhh! I'm just trying to make a point. I'm in too deep to quit now. Seriously though, anyone can look at Boise and tell they are a top 10 team. The USF teams, not so much. Every year teams are ranked higher than they should be early on. USF was in '07. It's as simple as that. The wins, with the exception of WVU, were nothing special.