SteaminWillieBeamin

Exactly - which is why I am very uncomfortable with your twitter links from easily disputed and debunked jack-holes.

" The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ .... At the end.. it has this paragraph ... which I very much feel about your twitter links here. To be honest, I initially had serious doubts about publishing this piece. The trap of exposing conspiracy theories is obvious: To demonstrate why a theory is wrong, you have to explain it and, in doing so, incur the risk that some people will be convinced by the very theory you’re trying to debunk. But that horse has left the barn. More than half of Republicans under the age of 50 say they simply won’t get a vaccine. Their hesitancy is being fanned by right-wing hacks, Fox News showboats, and vaccine skeptics like Alex Berenson. The case for the vaccines is built upon a firm foundation of scientific discovery, clinical-trial data, and real-world evidence. The case against the vaccines wobbles because it is built upon a steaming pile of bullshit.

It's right there - in text - stating the limitations. But when looking for conspiracies, it is ignored.

I mean - the statistics for deaths and vaccinated SHOULD reach the point where all deaths are with vaccinated people, right? The goal is to have 100% vaccination, stop variants, try to stop massive spread... but breakthroughs will happen and will kill some portion of vaccinated people. Since the vaccine is not 100% and hasn't ever claimed to be. Therefore, it only logically makes sense. This doesn't seem like ground breaking information or claims.

The Malone guy is problematic ... he is the conspiracists wet dream. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ The whole notion of "Hey, guys, I am just asking questions!!!" when someone throws out wild stuff is what then gets it going. When really, it is easily debunked, written about a lot and does NOT follow the main numbers. The dude who started the whole "vaccines cause autism" crap was a medical doctor too. He ended up being a liar, crook and con as well as an MD. The people that want to hype of Malone over state his 'inventor' status fwiw. Also, people that want to not believe in something, latch onto some old reports, misreports or just plain bad information... like what happened at USA Today with Malone and the CDC. https://thedispatch.com/p/how-misinformation-starts

It is definitely an evangelical thing - phrasing. There are ton of blogs about 'finishing strong, ending well, etc etc' Appearantly it comes from Timothy. https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/4-7.htm Feels like the whole 'quiverful' style of Christian churching, but again, like always, what do I know?

This is an important point - this coach was a political conspiracist and anti-covid-vaccine. Then his wife asking for recommendations for at the any doctors who aren't crushed by cancel culture and know the REAL cure for COVID. And then the end result as we all know how it ended... It truly was preventable. It truly is a case of willful "personal choice'ing" the libtards. It is really really unfortunate for his kids.

I wasn't suggesting the flattening led to increase. I suggested the more aggressively contagious Delta variant kicked in and hospitalizations and deaths picked up.. because it is hitting the unvaccinated extra hard. Nothing to do with the flat curve, all to do with variant. Now, had the vaccination rate continued to 100% and not flattened till then, the death would be more flat too. Not the steep slope. But all of that assumes the vaccine is actually working and all these fine folks surviving aren't chock full of horse dewormers. /s

Well - devil is in the details as always. 1) FDA approval was four days ago. 2) The CEO said what scientists already know - the "likely" a new variant will require a new vaccine, but Pfizer is setup to produce it within three months. What is news here? It is how the Flu vaccine works. Scientists watch the strains and trajections - formulate the vaccine - roll it out as fast as possible. The difference with these new vaccines was the FDA approval for manufacturing and supply chains - which will not change in new vaccine variants. Therefore it will meet approval faster, like the Flu vaccines. These are two good items you listed. It's working!

Here is Oregon's break down of existing conditions of COVID 19 deaths: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/oregon.health.authority.covid.19/viz/OregonCOVID-19CaseDemographicsandDiseaseSeverityStatewide/DiseaseDeathData Note: ~55% of Americans over 55 suffer a neurological condition (alzheimer's, polyneuropathy, parkinson's, etc) ~48% of Americans have Cardiovascular disease. ~42% of Americans are Obese ~25% of Americans have liver disease (most don't know it) ~15% of Americans are diabetic/prediabetic ~15% of Americans have a Chronic lung condition (COPD, Asthma, etc) ~15% of Americans have kidney disease (most don't know it) ~14% of Americans smoke. ~3% of Americans are Immunocompromised So - high probability that any one of us fit into this 'underlying condition' ... but we are not going to die of it. Covid WILL hit that person harder though and may end up killing them.

You see the vaccination rate flatten out and then the Delta strain kicking and deaths start to tick back up. And given the percentage of deaths for unvaccinated - that uptick is nearly all unvaccinated.

I know a dozen or so of the largest hospital systems released their numbers last week. I will try to find if there is a roll up of the numbers, not likely yet. The overview was like 10% of ICU were vaccinated and 1% of ventilator patients were vaccinated. Anecdotally, I can tell you that the vaccinated ICU patients are older and have immune compromised situations they deal with ... Breakthroughs hit that population harder, which is predictable and why they are getting priority on the booster shot.

The numbers are out there - but "they" don't want to see or trust them. It is the classic False Dilemma Fallacy... If there are breakthroughs and even minimal deaths in vaccinated, then the other side must be true. The numbers were released last week showing hospitalization raw numbers, broken down by vaccination status. Then the numbers of ICU by vaccination status. Then ventilator by vaccination status. It was overwhelming. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm

This is not true again. 'underlying conditions' is very well reported.

There is a big difference between the two. Need to look at percentages to assess for protection level. I am not sure what you are implying? Vaccine doesn't work? If that 4,115 number is shocking, wait until you see the number for unvaccinated! It will really shock you.

Because the ultimate goal of the vaccine is to prevent hospitalization and doctor visits - not to prevent infection (against the new strain)? It is already shown the breakthroughs are increasing, thus the recommendation to wear a mask in public (in hotspots) even when vaccinated. They are tracking hospitalizations/visits - which is the ultimate goal - and it is showing that even in this new strain that is extra aggressive in transmission that it is keeping people out of the hospital. These are things that are out in the open and known - not some sketchy mission.

FWIW: You actually do know in this case. Your liver cannot handle tylenol and alcohol. You will go into organ failure.

Mock? Who mocked? That is truly confusing. The list of coaches who have died is absolutely insane. Perhaps if all the deaths were listed, then it would get attention and sway some of the non-vaccinated to do it. There is no mockery. Truly sorry about your friend. Death is bad times. As you should be able to tell, I don't wish Covid on anyone for any reason.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/26/pflugerville-connally-high-school-coach-todd-schonhar-covid-death/4260257001/ https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/forney-high-school-football-coach-44-dies-of-complications-from-covid-19/2498830/ https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article248050965.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article247688190.html https://www.wsbtv.com/news/jacksonville-high-school-football-coach-dies-covid-19/WWYDVT2SBND6JMVFE7IMSIIMYI/ https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/07/13/dunbars-track-and-field-coach-dies-after-battle-with-covid-19/ ... I mean ... WOW. The list just continues on. It is tedious to cut and paste so many coaching deaths.

He looks like he's jittery and is trying to make one too many moves. He needs to settle in before he settles out. The guy he's trying to fight for playing time has looked fairly solid.

The misinformation part was that it didn't get the same trials - nothing about long term effects. That is what I addressed. That is what the entire reply was about. In fact, that is why I only left that single line in the post I was addressing. This whole notion of "both sides of the aisle - misinformation" is where it breaks down and people are tending to lose their cool. Opinions and Science, feelings and facts, are not the two sides of the aisle. Double standards? Have you been punished or banished for constant attempts at ridiculing me? There is nothing new here. I post, you complain. You and your pals downvote. No big deal. I don't see anyone shouted down. You give out more than you get on this board. I didn't see anyone call Trump your hero - you just replied to it like you did. But, on that same thread though, if you catch me at some 'rally' - you may be able to call that person my hero or perhaps at minimum someone I hold in very high regard. That isn't too far of a stretch and maybe just not seeing it on this tiny screen, but it didn't say that UNTLifer's hero is Trump.

This mRNA COVID mad rush with money could be revolutionary for vaccines. Last night I read in a journal about a phase 2 human cancer vaccine using the mRNA technology is starting. Later this year an HIV vaccine is starting trials. Just a slew of new potentially game changer vaccines are coming into focus.

But this is not true. It did go though the same trials, except the animal trials since there are no animals that get this covid (at the time). Otherwise the process was the same. Post trials are being watched even more closely.. mRNA is not new technology. They nearly had it in use for the Swine flu over a decade ago, but the existing traditional vaccine worked well enough and the pandemic was under control, so the funding was stopped.. it moved into cancer research and other lessor common vaccine research. But research has been testing and using it for decades now. Ongoing. This time there was a ton of money and focus on the singular disease, which is why it could go so fast. It was remarkable. Anyhow, you know all of this. You are just saying you understand why there is a hesitancy.. but misinformation still needs to be corrected.

Perhaps now, yes. But it didn't face the antivax mania like we see now. MMR has had high adoption for as long back as I can find (30+ years) I went ahead and looked up some recognized "vaccines" that people have no problem calling vaccines - to see their efficacy. HPV vaccines have been found to have high efficacy (close to 100%) for prevention MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps. Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective. DTaP (pertussis) vaccines are 80% to 90% effective. Tetanus complete vaccine series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100% for tetanus and 97% for diphtheria. Shingles - more than 90% effective at preventing shingles and long-term nerve pain. Tuberculosis - reduces the chance of infection by 20 percent And of course we know the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines 90-80%. I'm fairly certain we can all agree that efficacy is not why people don't want to call it a vaccine (now). There is something else at play here and it isn't science.