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Careful there youngster......let's see how RGIII fares after a year or two...I recall a guy named Vick who was similar in that he was a runner and a passer....where is the guy now and how many productive years did he have in the NFL? Sometimes the NFL has a way of figuring these types of guys out pretty quickly. Not saying that RGIII might not be the second coming of Brett Farve, Johnny U, Peyton Manning or whomever, but it is his rookie season. Seen lots of this....time will tell.

Oh, indeed...try it with three little ones at home...but, we did take in a UNT BB game when our youngest was three days old. Kid grew up to be a UNT ball boy for about 6 years during the Gales era. So, watch out...taking them to a game when so young leads to interesting things. Enjoy it...they grow up and have families of their own way to soon. Yep, Happy New Year!

No one said anything about amounts...it is about support at the level one feels is appropriate for their own situation. Mean Green Club memberships start at $125.00 and recent grad memberships start at, I believe, $50. No one said anything about the "most money" or any level. Season ticket prices are extremely reasonable depending upon ones choice of seat locations for both football and basketball. No one said anything about crappy hires and being happy or sad about it either. If you look across the board the record is definitely not hideous. It is not All about any single coach hire. And support should not depend upon a hire or two. It is about your university and whether one wants to be part of the solution or part of the problem. If this opinion and position makes some folks feel uncomfortable, that is their personal situation to deal with. If the message hits a tad close to home for some, well, so be it. Don't blame the messenger.

Just having some fun with you....really! Lighten up...it's New Year's Eve.

So...that excuses a defense that couldn't make a stop when it needed to with the game on the line? Ok..not excusing Romo for the INT's just saying that you are being a tad unrealistic. And, wake me up when that "rookie no name" actually takes the 'skins to the Super Bowl. He and his team...whose defense actually made plays when they counted.....beat a mediocre team in the Cowboys...what are they 7-9. Not saying much to beat a 7-9 team. Not ready to put RGIII in the HOF as yet. Let's hold off on the accolades until we see how the 'Skins do against teams with winning records. And, how many picks did the Dallas D come up with...remind me again about the big plays they made when it counted.

I believe that people who complain about a program not being good enough should do more than complain if they want anything to happen. I do not consider supporting my university ever to be "throwing good money after bad". Perhaps that explains some of the difference here. Folks who withdraw support from a university they say they want to improve are part of the problem not part of the solution. People who complain and want changes need to put their support where their mouths are, or perhaps consider closing their mouths. Yes, you will be around for a long time...as will I....and you will be a Mean Green Club member, a season ticket buyer and a donor outside the Mean Green Club. That cannot be said for some of our so-called fans. We have way to many of THOSE fans and far too few of YOU! And, that is the point I try to hammer home as often as I can. Some folks don't like the fact that I do that...perhaps the point hits too close to home for these folks.....these same folks like to turn to belittling me for my support instead of looking in the mirror and considering their position. It is a lot easier to let "someone else do it" or to fall back on support they used to provide but no longer do for whatever reason...always easy to blame others rather than to face the hard facts. And, I do have a Braniff stock certificate in my possession. Worst investment I ever made...I keep the certificate to remind me that investing is best done by one's brain and not by one's heart. How did you know that I owned some Braniff stock at one time? Ha! You been stalking me, Sarge, and sneaking around my home files? And, sure, I think you are swell too, you just bitch too much!

Hate to break it to you, Matt, but Romo is not the reason the Cowboys missed the playoffs. Several times this season, a single stop by the Cowboy defense would have made for a win. Want to fire the entire defense as well? The problems with the Cowboys may lie more with the GM.

You need to get out more! Seriously......

Let's just can every coach on every team in every league from pee wee football to the NFL and from every tee ball team to MLB. Seems to be the only thing that will make many who post here happy...and while we are at it let' throw in all the GM's too.

Nope!

You go UNT tennis...seems UNT is building a program that will be a top tier program in CUSA and beyond. Well done. A real bright spot for the Mean Green Nation.

Oh, if I could only give you 500 plus 1's for this post. It isn't so much what the guy is saying as we all realize his love for UNT, it's more the way it is being said. One might think about that a bit if one cares..... My bride for several years beat on me for the exact same thing...she would say...it's not what you are telling the kids, t is how you are telling them. Took awhile but I finally figured out that she was 100 percent correct. Found a different way to deliver the message, and it was amazing to witness the improvement in results. Glad I wished up...after much wifely prodding....before the kids were old enough to stop listening entirely. So, yes, I give you much credit for this post...

Thanks for all your efforts to help the Mean Green Coach Riddle....good luck at Arky State. Here's wishing you all the best. Congrats on your new assignment and God speed.

Folks love to come here and spout about the job RV is doing using their myoptic glasses and always forgetting the resources provided by both the university and the fan base that RV has available to him. Sure, they point to the big three coaching hires and forget entirely about everything else that goes on within a program like UNT's where the supporters love to talk but hate to open the pocketbook save for a few...very few. Yes, the big three sports are critical, and no one denies that, but do not think for one moment that the level of support provided plays a big role in what does and does not go on with the UNT Athletic program. Just as UNT90 said in an earlier post, one best be careful what they ask for...or they might just get it. You can say it for coaching changes and you can say it for AD's. Want to talk big three...fine, let's see....lots of folks continue to praise the hiring of Petersen, Mac seems to have the ship heading in the right direction ( yes, perhaps a year later than folks would have liked, but does seem that 2013 holds high hopes for improved win totals). And, then there is Benford....seems to me that the jury is "still out" as this is year one. So, let's just grant that year one has not gone as most of us would have hoped or expected in year one, but it is year one. So, knowing what the fan base provides in support, the small cadre of season ticket buyers, the lack of support for the Mean Green Club, this UNT AD job is probably a lot tougher than some realize. I seriously doubt that everyone knows how many potential football and basketball head coaching prospects were talked to before the hires were made. These folks know how a school is supported...or in UNT's case...hardly supported given it's alumni base size...and that certainly can play into decisions when potential hires have choices to make. For me, I like the Petersen hire a good bit and think the women's team is on the right track, I support Mac and think 2013 will be a break-out year for the Mean Green, and I am more than willing to be a tad patient with Benford. I happen to think this team might be better with T Mitch in the NBA. Why? Well, simply put, the supporting cast would not have him to rely on and would have to rely more on each other...which I happen to think they would. The cupboard is certainly not bear after T Mitch leaves for the NBA. Call it a chicken or egg thing if you wish ..... Win more and folks will give more and buy more tickets rather than give more and use the increased resources to create a better program and more wins, but support matters....in up years and in down years, support matters. As a case in point, one long time supporter withdrew from season ticket purchases and from Mean Green Club membership this last year, but still considers himself a true fan and supporter of the Mean Green. OK, personal choice, but hard to take the criticism from such folks who no longer have a dog in the hunt other than an emotional one these days. Just one example, there are far too many like this around the UNT program to even count. People always like to say they want UNT to be "BIG TIME" and to compete with the big boys....well, me too, but let me ask an honest question...how can UNT ever even hope to be big time without the support from its fan base and alumni? Folks, it is simply not going to happen. Either get happy with what it is and the pace of progress we see, or become part of the solution and support this program with season ticket purchases, Mean Green Club memberships and by showing up to support the program in lean times as well as good times. That is a lot to ask...I know...and those that do hang in there deserve recognition and they deserve to see the progress...so, the spot UNT finds itself in with the big three programs is definitely not the fault of the fan base alone...no way...but, it is part of the equation. Yep, I support this AD and I support this program. And, I take no back seat in that support nor am I alone in this support. It might just surprise some folks as to how much support this AD does have these days and where that support comes from, but, be that as it may, everyone is free to have the opinions they have....just understand that if you call for changes, better be prepared for what you might just get....AND, no...I do not know his personal cell phone number, have never shared a meal with him one on one, have never received any personal favors from him, have never seen the inside of his home...every game ticket I have possessed I have either purchased or "won" through volunteer work for the program or Mean Green Club...so, if it is like some seem to think that I am some personal sidekick of the AD's you are sadly mistaken. Like many of us, I know the man and like many of us, I like the guy and hope he stays at UNT for as long as he wishes, and I believe he has and is very good for UNT...and not just within the Athletic program. But, I was also a donor and supporter long before RV came, and God willing I'll be around and capable of supporting the Mean Green afte as well.

Well, thanks for keeping the emotions out of it. And, let me get this straight...in your opinion if you think the sky is falling that is "telling it like it is", but if you think otherwise it is just an emotional post. Roger...got it.

Thank you for this. Well put. Just the sort of thing that puts the T Mitch situation in perspective. Very well stated.

Just a small correction....we are not ALL calling for the canning of the coach.

Absolutely...let's hope it is a whole lot better and UNT gets a good seed in the tourney and wins the thing. Can happen...yes, yes it can! Hello 2013!

Agree...and shows that 2 star recruits can turn out to be pretty good, yes? Recruiting has got to be the most imprecise science in the world. You are dealing with mostly 18 year old kids, many of whom think they are God's gift to the football world and who think they are pro bowl and HOF worthy at age 18. Got to be tough. Placing one's career in the hands of these unproven kids has got to be nerve racking. But, it also has to be so rewarding when you see a kid turn out to be a Dunbar, Fortenberry, Kokjohn (had to throw my favorite player of 2011 in the mix), Atterberrys, etc., etc. no not all NFL guys, but all "solid character" guys we can all be proud of having worn the Green. I could name many many more recent and past Mean Greener's who fit this bill, and apologize for leaving names out, but we all know who you are past and present! GO MEAN GREEN!

Just FYI....I have no clue who you are, so I don't dislike you or like you. In fact, it is a "who cares" to me. It is just that your posts are so inane and childish and immature that folks just wish you would go away and go play with the rest of the Cougar diaper set in your own board. Why you constantly have to come here to post reflects your immaturity. Just go let your Mom know you need a diaper change and go away. And, as far as you calling me old and that hurting my feelings....oh, man...I have been called much worse by far more immature folks on this board. Being called old is a badge of honor I will wear proudly. Not much one can do about their age, but you can certainly do something about your immaturity and need for recognition here on GMG.com. But, Happy New Year to you...maybe you can grow up and go away in 2013. Or, start posting appropriately here...maybe folks can learn that Cougar King is really not so inane after all...give it a try. Appropriate conversation welcome here....give it a try sometime. And, I will add...this post...other than the first part...is very good and a case in point. Keep this up and folks here might just start reading your posts again. I gave you a plus 1 for this....

Happy New Year to the Mean Green Nation. Have a grand New Year's Eve and New Year's Day Celebration and bring in the New Year in Mean Green style. If you are in the area you can start the celebration at UNT 90 Grad's Collin County watch party at Rudy's in Allen for the game tonight...the party on...be safe and have fun! Good things, yes, good things, are ahead for the Mean Green in 2013 with the new basketball practice facility, the very real possibility of starting the rebirth of the baseball program at UNT, an improved football team, a full slate of home football games in 2013 , the Sunbelt Tournament in Hot Springs (last one...you really do not want to miss it), the start of UNT's CUSA affiliation, another winning year for soccer, volleyball, golf, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, track and field, etc. And a few things that we will "discover" as 2013 progresses. Lots of reason for high spirits for the Mean Green faithful heading into 2013. Have a great new year...be safe...have fun and continue to believe in the MEAN GREEN!

Great idea...go for it! Happy to help with whatever I can....just PM me if you want any help. Happy always to volunteer my time for UNT and the Mean Green Nation. Like the connection with Rubbber Gloves, could be something special.

Thanks for getting these set up. Your willingness to help set these up for the Collin County Chapter is appreciated. Happy New Year to all Alums, students and followers of the Mean Green wherever you may be. If you are close enough, stop by the Collin County watch party and enjoy the game before you head out to celebrate the Mean Green victory and the New Year!

Absolutely spot on. This is what we have been seeing all year. NBA folks at the Lehigh game said pretty much the same thing. So, for all our basketball experts here, is this correct, and, if so, how does Mitchell break out of this pattern and showcase the skills he has before it is too late in the season? Is this the evaluation of a NBA lottery pick, a first rounder or a second rounder or a guy that needs another year in college ball? Hopefully, some of our more basketball savvy posters can discuss this without the emotions involved in most of the discussions I have seen lately.

BINGO! in fact...double bingo to that!