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You know...it's funny...I did not see many of the folks posting here at the game. Don't think it was on TV, so odd that so much "knowledge" can be found just from seeing a score. Ladies looked tentative all night, and found it hard to work against the press and a zone defense for the entire game. The Mean Green struggled at times to break through the press...early season jitters and new teammates. That team will not come in 7th in their conference. It is senior and junior heavy and sports lots of JUCO players. The coach is young and pretty much played a platoon system with the 16 players he had on the bench. At times I thought I was watching a shift change at a hockey game. But, the guy made the most of what he has. Our ladies would have won by 10-12 if they had just hit their shots at the basket. They just missed and missed easky shots from the start. Don't expect that to continue for the season. Peterson has lots of "teaching moments" he can use in practice leading up to next Friday's game against Houston. That will be a much tougher contest for the Mean Green, but I would expect Houston to play the Mean Green more head's up one on one and not press for the entire game. That should give the Mean Green more room to work and to display their athleticism more. But, Houston will present a much greater challenge for the ladies than did the Muleriders. The game certainly will help all the new players and returning players find their comfort zones in knowing what to expect in various situations. As Coach Pete said after the game....this type of game will teach them more and prepare them better than a 20 point blowout win. Let's hope so as there is work left to do before conference. But, a couple of things...no one cried when Peterson "chatted" with them, the players seemed to play as a team more than last year, and the Mean Green has a small (5'1") guard that looks to be able to run the floor and pass with a bit of zip on the ball. Hitting our shots and dumping in free throws would help too! LOL!

And..where did the city get those funds and where will the money come from to replace those funds when exhausted due to this legal fight? And the compromise I am talking about in crafting a workable ordinance would be with the citizens of Denton for and against the ban and perhaps after consulting with the state. Again, the oil and gas companies are not idiots. Not hey knew they had a pretty constitutionally sound position, so why give at that point? If I hold all the cards, or think I do, I am not prone much to compromise, but if the tide turns it might just be in my bests interests to compromise a bit. Having a workable ordinance that the citizens are behind yet still allows for drilling could have brought them to the table, but since the council punted we will never know. Now the courts will tell us what to do...and you know those decisions are always just great! Ha! Anyway, appreciate your comments. They are well stated and you have obviously formed your opinions based on some considerable research and work. You, Sir, are an educated voter. Thank you. Don't care what side you voted on, you seem fully prepared to cast that vote. We can all stay tuned and see where this goes.

Ryan, tell me why you think the citizens will not be paying legal fees? And, while I think you are off-base with that position, I truly hope you are correct. Just help me to understand why you think so. Ryan, you seem much more educated on this issue than most others I have talked with about it from the very start, and I appreciate your position. But, do not think "home rule" is the issue here, and I don't think the home rule issue trumps state law or the Texas Cinstitution in this regard. But, like I said...this is why I will enjoy watching and studying as this plays out. The Texas Cinstitution is unique in so many ways. Appreciate your coming on here and discussing this important issue in a civil manner. As I am not a constitutional attorney, just an amateur constitution study fan, I can only watch and read as it plays out. Just so very sorry the council punted and left it to an emotionally charged citizen vote. Don't think it had to go that way.

I know, Ryan...but Denton did not need the oil companies to craft a suitable compromise ordinance. The oil companies are not idiots, they felt they could eventually win in the courts (which I believe they will), so it was in their best interests to stand firm. The council just took the bait and punted. As the oil companies are not idiots a decent compromise crafted without them could well have staved them off. Sometimes a council just needs to put their big person panties on and make the tough decisions and do what they were voted into office to do. Watts and Roden both deserve no pats on the back for shirking their responsibilities. How will this "not effect the citizens of Denton"? Are you saying that now the council will craft a compromise ordinance before the court cases are heard that will be acceptable to the state? Did the council allow this vote just to get folks off their backs knowing it would pass and then they could craft a suitable ordinance and say...."see we tried" , but they made us change it?

Ryan..New York laws are far far different than Texas laws on this issue. The Texas Constitution is really pretty different than most states on this issue...as I recall, Texas even "retained" it's mineral rights when it agreed to become a state. Also..agree 100% that this is not a political issue...it is a constitutional issue. One the city council should have decided. Have no problem with anyone being on either side of this issue. My "issue" is not with the voters...they get to vote as they so choose...my issue is that all this could have been avoided if the council had done its job. Now, the lawyers and courts will get to "tell" Denton what they will or will not do. It is now out of Denton and it's citizen's hands thanks to our punting city council. Let the "fun" begin. Well, I will enjoy watching this play out in the courts without the emotions of the voters, but I will not enjoy paying for all the legal fees!

While I think the State will eventually prevail, as it is a constitution issue, and a property rights issue that the state has prevailed in before regarding mineral rights vs surface rights issues, I do not think it will be easy. Ryan sees it differently and that's fine, but the lawsuits are already being filed. If the average voter age is 51.....that means many many folks just passing through Denton did indeed vote...I don't care which way they voted...but their skin in the game lacks. This was an issue the City Council should have decided. Not one member of the city council deserves to be re-elected after punting on one of the most important decisions it has faced in many many years. Their punting will cost the citizen's and property owners of Denton dearly. I firmly believe that a compromise ordinance could have been crafted that would have appeased both sides and which could have become the template for other Texas cities facing this same issue. The result would have been to hold Denton in high esteem across the state. Instead, the council punted and Denton becomes the target for multiple lawsuits and perhaps years of costly court dates. It became an emotional issue as soon as the council punted on their responsibilities as most voters do not take the time...and it does take a considerable amount of time...to fully research the issues. Don't believe me? Just go back and read the letters to the editor in the Denton-Record Chronicle during the campaigning phase. Yep...citizens voted...and voted big for the ban. They have their drilling ban on the books...sorry, Ryan...it is a drilling ban as no Fracking in the Barnett Shale...no gas.....technicality or not...reality trumps technicality here....bottom line effects are the same...no drilling. As I enjoy watching and studying constitution based battles play out, this will be most interesting to me, but what will not be interesting to me is paying for the fun of watching it play out in the courts.

Nope...outside lawyers. City attorney in no way prepared to fight this fight. City Attorney will be involved for sure, but like most of these lawsuits, outside expert attorney's specializing in constitutional law and propert rights law/oil and gas lawful be hired. City will have to to have even a slim chance of prevailing in this one.

So much dis-information and bad science flowing here regarding Fracking from both sides. Easy to see that emotions trump knowledge and reality here on GMG.Com just as it did throughout Denton regarding this drilling ban...and make no mistake about it...IT IS a drilling ban. In the Barnett Shale you can drill all you want, but you will find no gas unless you frack. So, call it a Fracking ban, but in reality it is a drilling ban. But, that is really beside the point. In Texas mineral rights owners trump surface rights owners in the majority of the cases...as odd as that may seem to some. This ban, as it is written (how many of you actually took the time to read the entire proposition?) appears to be unconstitutional. That is the real issue here. The lawsuits are already being filed and the taxpayers of Denton will pay and pay and pay. I can hear the lawyers laughing now! This ordinance could have been written properly and within the framework of the Texas Constitution, and both sides could have been reasonably pleased. But, no...emotions and a weak and poor city council and mayor punted and sent it to a vote. A vote where many who pay no property taxes nor will be living in Denton long voted. This was an issue the city council was elected to decide. This is exactly the type of stuff the council should be deciding. But, because we now have such a weak mayor and council who seem to want to take Denton back to the anti-growth, anti-business days of yore...they punted on their responsibilities. I personally do not favor nor oppose a ban on Fracking. What I do oppose is an emotion driven campaign in support of an unconstitutional regulation that was forced upon the voters by a weak city council, that could have been crafted to suit both parties and avoid all this stupid lawsuit waste of money! The crap flowing from both sides in this election is just the result of emotions and a city council NOT doing their job. Get your checkbooks ready property owners of Denton....stupid, just stupid!

Says the guy that lives in the Denia neighborhood. ....just couldn't resist the temptation. Just too target rich this time!

Interesting how tame the replies on maroon sports were to Hill's drinking and being benched.

Taxable?

Oh, on this we agree 100%. Where we might disagree is on the tenor and tone of that "questioning". There is a professional and civil way to question and then there is the crude, cute and personal attacking/name calling way to do so. Many here on GMG.Com seem to have found crude, cute and personal attack as their only method for "questioning". There are several posters who are quite capable of questioning the direction and do so in a civil and professional manner. It is just too bad that they are often shouted over by the cute, crude and attack style posters. So, absolutely question, debate, disagree....but one might try professional and civil.

Don't give a rat's rear end about Baylor or Texas. Why would I read their boards? I said the one's I read. Not denying there are other negative ninnys out there...but the quote was that they were ALL as negative as GMG.Com. Unless you read them all, that was a pretty lame statement that was made.

Army-Navy game in Philadelphia, very first Cowboy pre-season game at the Cotton Bowl, Dallas Texans-Houston Oilers AFL Championship game at the Cotton Bowl, all the World Cup games at the Cotton Bowl, Masters Golf Tournament, and on and on....so many wonderful times and fantastic memories...and did I mention the Mean Green's win over UNLV in last year's HOD Bowl? Pure greatness!

Did you forget the comment aimed at Mac on this board? Disgusting as well. It was finally pulled by Harry after being allowed to remain posted for several days. Disgusting!

Not the other ones I read. GMG.Com takes the cake over the others I read...not even close. Way way more negativity toward our own program, personnel and players on here than in the others I read and post in. But, just because others are whiners and moaners does it mean Mean Green fans should be as well? Just because one CAN does not mean one SHOULD. But, to each his own. For some reason, most odd to me, it appears to make some folks feel good about themselves to knock and discredit their own. So be it.

Man, so very much irony in the above post. I am almost busting a gut laughing so hard. So, let's see...in football it's the players who are responsible for doing the work required in season and off season, doing the study required to learn the system and the plays, executing those plays properly and in maintaining the proper attitude and work ethic...but in basketball the players are never responsible for the same things and it falls 100% on the coaching staff? Why are you always blaming the players? Oh, the irony of it all. Hey, we all need a good laugh every now and and then.

According to your endless upon endless posts saying the exact same thing, it seems you currently do not support UNT Basketball....or did I miss the fact that you were purchasing season tickets for this year? How do you support UNT basketball by claiming you will not show up at any games, not buy season tickets and by ragging on everything that is associated with UNT basketball on a constant basis? With that kind of support UNT basketball does not need any enemies. Just asking of course.

We'll maybe you should. . I didn't either until I had grandkids.....you will then or whatever the thing is at that time those many years from now...if you want to see the photos that is....wish I didn't sometimes...but, alas...the fate of a grandparent it seems.

You don't read this board much these days, huh?

I got an announcement and it was on Facebook. I guess I "liked" UNT basketball. But, I knew about the practice from two sources. Sorry you did not...I am in Italy so couldn't go, and you are there and could....fate, huh? Sorry, man.

Of all the posts on GMG.Com you have read...this is the one you label as "stupid"? Seriously? It is way less "stupid" than much of what is posted on GMG.Com these days by folks who make derailing threads a hobby these days.

Still the same I see.

Funny how some folks seem to jump every time someone mentions constant negativity by the same group of folks. You can just see the reply from each one coming. It is as if they take it personally or something. The stock response after reading them for several years now is the "better fan" one. It's like it just sits around on the shelf waiting for the "oh, someone is talking about us" again moment. The second standard is the "let's just mention RV" thing. Man, even Shakesphere wrote a new line every once in awhile. But, there is something comforting knowing nothing these folks have to say ever changes.

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