Green Mean

He also knows the landscape of college athletics in this country and overlooking that is also part of his job description and whether he likes it or not he has to care.

I think it would be rare to see a college football HC hire for less than a 5 year contract so it would make sense.

It might not be the worst idea from a NT standpoint b/c imagine getting beat like this at home against them....it'll be 10x worse.

I think because if we can ever figure it out and know and understand how to run a proper athletics program then I do think anything is possible. I don't mean to say that there isn't upside here and things cannot change but taking out the financial part of things, the fact that this school hardly ever makes the right hire is just baffling. It feels that so many other schools with so much less are able to do so much more and it just takes finding and hiring the right coaches and program builders.

DATCU has never had a sellout. Attendance has ALWAYS been poor when you consider how many students and alumni we have. I don't think going to the game next week is going to matter because there won't be more than 15-20K as per the usual. The only thing that will move the needle is the big donors pushing back and/or we somehow find a few big rich ones that have even an ounce of desire to support NT athletics. Despite school size, market, location etc, NT is just in athletics purgatory. It will be the same thing next year...ticket prices and MGSF donation raised so we can try to keep up without giving the fans anything to really be excited about and another year of false hope that turns into yet another dud.

Even the halftime show guys are laughing at us.

True but I think if you take out the generous picks Morris threw, I think we would have really routed them with the score reflecting that IMO.

The Todd Dodge era had several games that would have been the most embarrassing lost for almost every other FBS program. But OU definitely sticks out, giving up 77 to Rice, I think Tulsa had dismantling of us which might have been in Denton and probably several more.

Serious question...if there's another 5-7 season, does Mosley have the strength to fire EM and/or does the athletics department have the financial resources to even do that?

Let's just spend all of our extra resources on basketball and become a plus mid major power. This is embarrassing by any measure even if we were playing Georgia.

I thought if game was somewhat competitive throughout that even with us losing at the end, it may lead to people being interested in coming to games for at least a few weeks. This half just killed any hopes of that happening.

I wasn't really speaking of the facilities and those areas that we have made strides in to at least catch up. I was mainly speaking of on the field results. If fans, students, casual Denton residents go to games and continue to see losses and more times than not being an butt whipping then it's not going to be good and make them want to keep on coming back. As I've been saying we just haven't had the kind of sustained success some of these other programs have had and that's why we continue to have apathy.

Hayden Fry hasn't been here for 45 years. Life and times are vastly different now. The fan base that lived through those Fry years can't keep on having the barometer of what Fry did or didn't do and think things are the same today. As I previously said, there's apathy here because there just hasn't been very much to be proud about and cheer about when it comes to NT Football in my opinion.

According to Wikipedia they have a 483-180-2 all time record good for a winning percentage of 73%. They've pretty much won and have had success in every level of football from the start so that community is used to winning. If there's a reason why they don't tolerate losing it's not that hard seeing why. They also have one of the more memorable bowl game win in the past couple of a decades with that win over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. That game and so many of those plays are etched in people's brains so they just have the perception that we could have only dream of having. We've never had any sort of success that Boise has had the last few decades and that matters. And no I don't think being part of a large metroplex hurts us like many on here have said because if we have these same results being in a small/rural town people still won't show up to a terrible product. Instead of talking about the continously bad product on the field, we have posters on here that routinely talk about blaming & alienating the arts programs and their students and what color hair they may have where as I took several business and sciences courses and they like everyone else didn't give a rip about NT athletics. It's a culture & results issue...can it be changed? Absolutely yes. It's just going to take some luck in having a few good coaches that has that it and winning factor and start to change things around here.

I guess I'm in the minority but count me in as one that loves the earlier start times especially when the weather should be great. Game ends early and you feel like you still have a lot of the day left to do whatever you want. Networks don't care about putting on schedule for human beings. As a famous broadcaster once said...."it's called the way it is"

There isn't one particular right way in building a football program. A holistic approach is probably going to be the way a good solid mid major program is going to have to build for sustained success IMO. And just remember, like the mid major program we are, we can't ignore being able to COACH UP a roster and develop players. That said there is nothing about college football that has been killed. The sport has been the exact same except now players have rightfully been given the freedom to take advantage of their NIL just like the schools, coaches, TV networks, advertisers etc all have done for decades. And by the way the money continues to get bigger and bigger because people love it and apparently can't get enough of it.

Good for SMU. They were able to pull it off even though I think long term, the CFB landscape is going to be completely different than what it is now. Short term I think it gives SMU a boost and the stadium/arena should fill up regularly. I think they have to win and win big tho because as I previously said I think things are going to lead to a whole new division 1 and a lot of of those current "Power" schools are going to be left behind because let's face it, they don't really move the needle as much as we might think. And again I can see some sort of relegation system like they have in European Soccer years down the line. NT's task still remains the same. We just have to turn that corner in football(& continue MBB success) and start winning big and consistently. Can you imagine what a T25 ranking would do to the alumni base and the metroplex in general and wins against schools with a big names perception wise? We just haven't gotten to that level but hopefully Eric Morris will be the one to start that in Denton. Reversing apathy & culture is just a really hard thing to do.

I thought they had played at the old Georgia Dome unless they've torn that thing down within the last few years.

SMU's vision is simply just having a seat at the table and the long game. The ACC is likely to be in a dilemma in a few years as it appears a lot of those big players are wanting to bolt for the SEC and when that happens the Big Ten probably starts to look at adding to their conference. I'm guessing the thought SMU has is they don't care that the conference could very well implode, but if it does, they'll be part of that group that will still have the chance to still be in a power conference i.e. shifting to the Big 12 etc because they're already there. Even with all these conferences imploding I don't think this movement is ever going to stop. There's too much interest, popularity and money in the sport that it wouldn't surprise me if there's some form of relegation type system like there is in European soccer. For now though SMU has a lot to sell because they have money and tons of it. I wish we were in that position because there's no telling how that has hamstrung our program because we didn't have money to pay coaches, or buy out underperforming ones sooner etc. Ultimately, NT has to win consistently in football and sprinkle in a few seasons where they're winning big and get ranked. Can you imagine if we were getting ranked and winning big what kind of buzz there would be? We just have to get to that position and we have to control our own destiny and not fall back on the school size, location, potential nonsense that masks poor results on teh field because none of that has really mattered for us and we don't have the money the SMU's of the world has.

To me they offer a stellar football program with a ton of success for a long time. They also seem to be pretty good in mens basketball as well and I think they've been ranked in the T25 some years maybe? They are committed to athletics and most of all they have a name brand and recognition. It's a good size public school that is only going to grow and it's also located in an area that is booming and it's only going to get bigger in market and population. I actually like CS and AF but there's no way a conference would take them over Boise State and SDSU if you had to chooose IMHO.