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You could be correct. But again, I’m not sure what our reputation is with coaches like Aranda to even SERIOUSLY consider coming here. From the outside looking in, as well as having friends and acquaintances in the TX HS FB ranks, I fear that our reputation really scares away coaches like we are discussing.

Well, the CFB world and the level we can compete at will probably determine this. We can’t survive at this current juncture. We lose almost an entire team to other schools buying off our players and coaches that are any good or have potential. That’s just not going to work. Eventually, people will stop donating and caring as they never have any connections to the actual players and coaches of the team they follow. But I am wanting the Power Teams to leave. Go on down the road. Leave behind anyone you want. But give the rest of us a chance to enjoy the sport like we used to, while playing teams we care about and can compete with financially. What is my dream scenario is that the G5s and any P4 leftover will end up having their own level of play that can be rebuilt into a setup that gives players the NIL but keeps players away from the portal and brings back some kind of sanity to the sport. If that happens, then we could actually bounce up and be something, instead of being the hospice patient just waiting for more of the inevitable.

I’ve been told that Patterson doesn’t want to fight the NIL/Portal world. And that was fighting it at places with cash, which obviously ain’t here. Aranda would be a good name but he will also be a target for being a DC from some P4, too.

Based off of history, the cancer will kill off the fans before any of us will kill it. Look, we absolutely nuked the program’s fanbase in 1983 with the 1-AA debacle and stayed there for 12 freaking years. Even if we didn’t have a huge fanbase back then, we had fans, we had alumni, we had students. I’d venture that 98% of them became t-shirt fans of the big power programs and the pro teams around here. Well, today, when we need money, guess what? The richest people tend to be old. Those folks over the age of 65, that would’ve graduated anytime before 1983, we lost them. So now, we are incredibly gracious for the UNT 17, hell maybe it’s the UNT 30 by now, but that’s nothing compared to what the other programs have for followings. And the City of Denton actively sabotaged the citizenry against the program for decades, too. The cancer is the culture and the culture is the apathetic nature of expectations here. It never changes because it really can’t change. And when it did, from the Fry years, they literally couldn’t wait to tear the thing down. It’s just a weird place. It drives you crazy /!: mostly it ends up driving people away, eventually.

I’m kinda curious as to what you mean…

If the PAC wants to get laughed at and not be looked at seriously, they’ll add us and some Texas spares that don’t move the needle at all nationally, including UTSA, Texas State, UTEP, or Rice. They need to get the best of the west and leave it there. We have as good of a setup as North Texas has ever been allowed to have, except for SMU not being in the same conference. The PAC with OSU, WSU, Fresno, SDSU, Boise, and CSU is a solid start, but adding in UNLV, Nevada, AFA, and Utah State would be pretty smart, and getting Gonzaga and St. Mary’s into the league for hoops would be a great league.

Another name that I’d love to hire here but we won’t be able to would be a guy like Billy Napier. He had ULL ranked and had great success there. Failed at Florida, but has proven he can build a winner at this G5 level…

Gee, thanks for coming over and kicking us after you beat the crap out of us. You’re the guy who mocks the homeless when you drive by in your leased BMW. The BMW you get paid for from your rich family. Must be nice.

Yes, you’re correct. I’d like to see a guy like Tom Herman look at UNT like he did FAU, for example. Why not Charlie Strong, for example? A guy who was bad at UT, but was awesome at Louisville. Or a guy like GJ Kinne, who coaches at a smaller G5 school in state, but would step up big time here at UNT in the AAC. But my fear is that our apathetic reputation in Texas is just a very quick ender to those guys, or guys like that. And if that is in fact the problem, or a giant part of the problem besides $$$, then there’s really not much we should expect to ever really change while CFB is set up like it is now.

First of all, he may want us to be Notre Dame or he may want us to be Julliard, but he would have to buy out three and a half years of Morris’s contract. Could that happen? I mean, it’s happened before…once. After we suffered the worst loss in modern college football history by losing to a FCS team on Homecoming by a 66-7 nailbiter. Odds are that won’t happen here again, even if we finished 2-10. Morris will most likely be here thru 2025, but at least we aren’t back to the days of only buying out one year of a contract anymore. But the bigger question that we need to answer is what do we have to do (and pay) to get an actual accomplished FBS coach here? I mean we have no NIL (like most G5s) to compete, we aren’t anywhere close to being a destination school for those who can portal out now at a moments notice, and we get almost no media coverage in a giant market. And then the question becomes to the fans is this worth the effort if we are basically a glorified JuCo For power teams? Everyone has their line in the sand, but mine is that the portal is just something that I cannot deal with as a CFB fan at a G5 school like ours. It’s not CFB anymore, but minor league ball—for the pro leagues and power programs.

I hear you loud and clear and agree…and it will never happen. Texans love football. Love it more than all other sports combined. They won’t support other sports, as we have seen here. Basketball is by far the best sport we have been playing in a revenue sport in 45 years. It gets 4000 people to a 10k arena. I don’t really get why, but UTA shows just how little connection alumni have to a campus without football being the major player in a large metro area. It’s really sad.

I remember going to the WKU game in 2015, which followed the Portland State debacle…and that was a very popular look that night at Apogee.

Underwhelming? They didn’t get blown out in a game against a team on the road that has about 20 more scholarship players and plays at an entirely higher level than SFA. They played us MUCH better than we played in a similar situation today, heading to Lubbock to play a team at a higher level, albeit with the same scholarship levels.

So, as a father of three teenagers, two years ago, I decided that I needed Saturdays back with the family, especially not liking the portal situation and how CFb was getting even more lopsided toward the power teams. The money I’ve saved, the time I’ve given back to my family, and the use of those funds toward trips and other forms of entertainment has been amazing. When I don’t back and watch a game here or there, like I did today with us vs TT, I’m reminded at just how much I don’t miss the pain of money and time lost. It’s just not my cup of tea—know maybe I’ll change as the kids grow up and move on, but for now, I’ll be shocked if you miss it if you decide to walk away from being a season ticket holder.

I agree with you…but part of the problem with spread offenses is that their teams rarely hit hard in practice…gotta keep those receivers and QBs healthy. Which is why their defenses look weak. Think Big 12 teams over the years against SEC or ACC teams. Physicality wins every time.

Well, I also think it’s a result of subpar coaching. Face it, Morris and Caponi didn’t show anything to make us feel good about them last season, either.

The problem with an offense being run that FFR prefers to complement a defensive approach is that in Texas, 99% of our high schools run spread offenses. That’s what killed McCarney. He wanted this bus driver offense and couldn’t find any QB after Derek Thompson left that had any ability to play the position, so we got stuck with complete spares for his last few seasons. He couldn’t find a non-spread QB to run his offense. And that’s always gonna be my fear in going back to that style over the spread, which I agree, is just not real fun to run when you’re getting murdeted. It makes the scores much worse.

There’s no question. If McGuire wanted to be a jerk, this game would have been an 70+ point victory.

Im not sure where anyone should think we are winning at FAU or UTSA

Very true

There’s a reason that we can’t sell out a 30k stadium in the middle of Football Country with an enrollment of over 40k and local alumni over 300k. People don’t want to be associated with losers and apathy. And that’s our history for the last 45 years.

As I have said for quite a while, I could be very well be wrong, but it won’t surprise me to see Tech back out of this game. That’s of course dependent on a lot of variables, but if the networks want them playing another power school in ooc play, they’ll easily pay that buyout. It’s why I was so impressed that Texas State got Arizona State to play in San Marcos first. That’s not UTSA, where power teams can sell their fans on a tourist destination trip. Who knows, though, Tech may have a new coach by then and be in need of some wins for said new coach.

By who? Vito?

Today is the perfect reason that our alumni, students, faculty, sports fans in the area, and the local sports media just flat out don’t care about us. When we do have a chance to gain their attention, 99% of the time, we crap the bed against a team that we need to compete with. This is not pointed at playing UT, OU, A&M, LSU, Bama, etc…it’s getting prison raped by SMU, UH, Tech, UTSA, etc…losing to Texas teams that people know and went to school at. UNT grads get embarrassed so badly to go to work, church, school, or anywhere that know we went to UNT and just laugh at us. For men especially, it just gets old, so they walk away. And rarely, if ever, come back.

Anyone that wants to pony up the first million to buy them out will probably get some others to help…