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In my opinion, the very best thing that can happen for UNT in all of this is for both leagues to just stay separate. It gives our level of football a little more sway than it would if they get combined. Also, it leavs open the very real possibility to gaining admittance into CUSA or MWC, which would be huge for us. So with all that said, considering the luck we have in this stuff, I expect them to combine in some stupid alliance that won't help their cause at all and will cost them lots of money. Meanwhile, we will stay in a reduced SBC and watch somebody else move upward. Its what I am preparing myself for...

It will be very interesting to see which college will take a chance on Leavitt. Eventually, his success will get him another chance. Its just interesting that no college has openly courted him since the USF firing. Maybe he has had lots of offers behind-the-scenes, but I guess that's why I didn't know where he was these days.

Alcohol is legal--marijuana isn't, for the most part. Big difference. If you want the law to change, that's another story and one for the Eagles Nest, most likely.

Its my opinion that a majority of students will only show up for something that is either cool or can give them something for free. Since North Texas (State) has never considered anything athletic as "cool", that probably isn't going to get solved anytime soon--like decades from now, if at all. So, that leaves free. If you go to big time places to watch a game (Austin, Norman, College Station, Baton Rouge, etc..) often times as you LEAVE those stadiums there are giveaways being done of small stuff--soft drinks, toiletries, souvenirs, etc... If you combined something like this with the free books idea and something else like free pizza for a semester or free gas for a month, you might be able to get a few more poor students to stick around for some of this. Keep in mind that I don't think any of this will ever get put into place, but it would get some people to consider going and staying at a game. I would just make it that your student ID has to have been scanned into the system (i.e. at the game before halftime) to get anything from anyone. Or we could just somehow make the other Texas schools like us and want to be affiliated with us in a conference...never mind. Better find the free stuff.

LSU could be as happy as a fox in a henhouse, with absolutely nothing to prove and it would still be an epic beatdown. Preparing for any other option is naive at best. Just keep hoping all those big guarantee checks never bounce...

This sounds awesome--to schools like ours. As soon as something like this ever got forced by the NCAA (HA!!), Texas, OU, LSU, ALabama, etc..would run away from the NCAA and start their own collective grouping in a heartbeat. Hell, they might still do that anyway, if the NCAA ever showed those schools that they have a spine for fairness, not to mention enforcement.

Where is Leavitt these days? Is he coaching in college? Seriously, I hadn't heard what happened to him after USF, except that he was in a lawsuit against them.

Yes--Florida won the SEC that year and everyone else lost that could have trumped a rematch against FSU.

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I tend to agree, but then I think about how long that takes and how quickly things move in college athletics and it just gets harder and harder to see a time in the future where we are playing a conference game against anyone outside of the SBC and how little those games draw in attendance. I tried to get 4 or 5 friends and family to go with me to the Western Kentucky game earlier this year. All said no because they had no interest in spending time and money to go watch us play the Hilltoppers. When we played Houston and Indiana, it was a different story.

The fact is that a good amount of attendants to North Texas home games come just to wait for the halftime performance and then leave. That is what happens when your school and town have decided for decades to put the main emphasis on using music and arts as the university's window instead of athletics. The Green Brigade is probably awesome--I have never had even one reason to believe otherwise, but I also believe that a band's sole purpose at an athletic event is to play the fight song, the alma mater, and other songs that get the crowd going, which also incorporates the halftime performance. I have never had a reason to ever care about what the band wore or their halftime performance because, get this, I got to a football stadium to watch the football game. The band being there is secondary to that, in my opinion. Same with going to the Super Pit for a hoops game. As a matter of fact, I like the direction the basketball pep band has gone versus when I was in school because they appear to have a lot of fun at games. Now, if there is a big marching performance between UNT and SMU at Apogee someday, I'll want our band to kill theirs--which wouldn't be hard, I'm sure. But I believe we are the only school in this state that has put more into music and arts instead of our athletic programs, so maybe that is why the rest of the state looks at us as if we are some kind of pariah when it comes to being conference members with us. Sure, alums of other schools like their band (A&M, Rice, Texas, and Tech all come to mind), but they really like their football teams much more. That's not how it is here in Denton. I love listening to the bands at the big schools play their fight songs and seeing them dot their i's or whatever the other traditions are, but its because they have great teams or great history at the highest levels of college athletics--we don't. I can promise you that no band uniform, no marching performance, and no other non-football related activity will ever change the fact that until we decide that North Texas Football must be a winner and play better-known competition that other fans care about, the attendance at SBC games and games against Texas Southern will continue to stay about the same--and we call can see how well other conferences think about our school as a potential conference mate. Winning halftime with a performance that would make the Music Department proud is awesome, but we will continue to get to play teams that surround that terrific halftime performance from towns like Troy and Mobile Alabama, Murfreesboro, TN, Jonesboro, AR, and Monroe, LA for decades to come if we don't continue trying to get our team to be relevant in major college football circles. Not trying to hurt the music folks feelings here, but if this was about our band, we would be in the Big XII right now, based on what others tell me how good our Green Brigade is compared to other bands. But having a poorly supported football team gets you the Sun Belt and apparently very little hope of ever getting to move upward, which in the end, costs the entire university and city millions of dollars in opportunities lost.

I think if a western slot opens up, the folks in Logan, Utah are going to get it. There is no presence in that state anymore and the Mountain Network needs that state. I doubt San Jose State will get anymore consideration than we do. The hardest thing to accept about this all to me is that absolutely no one in college football above our level thinks we bring anything to their conference. Location, enrollment, alumni size, improved results, great facilities, etc...I guess it means nothing to CUSA or the MWC folks. The real question here is WHY NOT? Why can't we get anyone to see this all and say that we are a school that should be added? Is it just because of football's poor record during the latter Dickey years and the Dodge era? Because if it is, that seems amazingly short-sighted. As a matter of fact, I don't buy that as an excuse. Anyone with half a brain could look at the attendance bump we have enjoyed since Dodge came here and now with Coach Mac and the new stadium and see that if we got to play teams from a better-known league that we could draw even better. I just don't get it. I will say it again, but the more I look at our situation, the more the reality sets in with me that Apogee Stadium probably saved our football program, but it won't save us from staying at this level of football, whether that continues as FBS in the future or not.

A&M never played at SMU, just at Kyle Field. They bought out the return game in Dallas. However, Tech was a regular with SMU for transfere a while as a home and home. As far as the 5 game home schedule, I would be just fine with it if the home OOC game was a strong opponent (either an AQ school or a team like Boise, BYU or AFA). But having your only home OOC game being against a bad FCS team in Texas Southern, who probably won't bring anyone to Denton--unlike Sam Houston, who will probably win the FCS title this weekend and will have some great momentum to play off of in 2012--just stinks, especially when you also offer the fans a great selection of home games from the well-thought-of SBC. Again, if we average 15k next season in attendance, I will be thrilled. You aren't going to get folks to pay time and money for home games against, Texas Southern, South Alabama, Troy, Louisiana-Lafayette, and Arkansas State. Look at this year, even with a bowl possibility still in play, a Saturday night game against Western Kentucky drew nothing. Its doubtful that this upcoming year will be much different, attendance-wise. And that is why UNT90 is dead-on about this--if this is our 2012 schedule, the AD better have a very good explanantion and it better mean 2013 bring us a nice home schedule.

The more I read this thread, the more I am beginning to realize that we are just always going to be a SBC team for a long time. We run our AD as if we have the perfect conference for a program in the Metroplex, when in fact, we are in the worst possible conference for our location to draw fans out to Apogee. We just schedule poorly and we look at ourselves very lowly. If UTSA can recruit kids (with that future schedule, I would assume they will) that can get results done, they WILL move upward before we do. They have a facility that can hold a lot of fans and a destination city to get teams to visit. And on another program's schedule, I believe that Texas State have a future HOME GAME against Texas Tech? Oh well, we got Texas Southern... whoosh

The opening game between Oregon and LSU was a neutral site game at Jerry World. Yes, starting out against a SEC or Big XII powerhouse is small time. But, hopefully the $750K payout will clear the bank...

I am going to start this off by simply saying that the NCAA Basketball Tournament is the best sporting playoff in the country and its not close. I particulary love the College World Series, as well, since it follows the same pattern as college basketball. Unfortunately, football will never work like this because of the money (and media coverage) involved. But both of those sports are much different animals than football--and its why a new separation will occur again. I still think that if your school plays in front of an average of 50k then you shouldn't be on the same level as schools that average 25k or less. There are about 40-50 programs in the country that really should just get a classification of NFL-Lite, based on resources and fanbase, as well as tradition. They already get all of the attention from fans and media on a national level. Somehow, I imagine that 50k line in attendance (or at least 40K) will somehow become a new line in the sand.

If that tree and its new coach show up to our forest and we chop that tree down, will anyone outside of this board care? What if that tree and its new coach come over to our forest and it turns out we can't even chop that it down? I'll be this board will care then...

Just curious as to how SMU got the opportunity to play OSU in the doubleheader at the AAC last night instead of our program. Was it just a money thing, where SMU just bought their way in or did the organizers of this doubleheader feel that SMU had more name recognition than we do? Either way, SMU played a good game last night (for them) against the Pokes, but nobody with even a pulse can say that the Ponies have a better hoops program than we do. I just don't get it...

I have always contended that Louisville and BYU will eventually get in the Big XII, assuming it stays alive. BYU needs the cash from its deal right now as an independent, but that will evenutally fade, as their football team muddles into mediocrity with the poor schedule issues that will only get worse as time moves on. If BYU doesn't succumb to this, though, and stays indy, I would imagine that Cincy would then be the next pick, since they have been to two BCS bowls and have a solid hoops program.

I know you are correct about all of this, but it really magnifies your username...

Could you imagine the attendance of a bowl game in Denton involving a SBC team and a MWC team? A game between Western Kentucky and UNLV might draw about 1500 people, including the bands. Now if said bowl could get a Big XII spot and get Texas or OU in there, Dentonites would probably fall all over themselves to get Apogee for the only time in their life.

What are you talking about? This Ohio State mess will get some serious attenion on future infractions committed at lots of MAC, WAC, SBC, CUSA, and MWC schools...Troy, Ohio U.,and La Tech better watch out!!

This is so true about ESPN. They are the true governor of college football. Their money talks and they need Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, USC, etc..to be available for TV. NCAA really should just admit this.

I like set shots and granny-style FT shooting, too. All while wearing Chuck Taylors...no need for those fancy dunks or that crazy thing called a 3-point shot. How ridiculous can these hip-hop folks be these days, comprende?

Go Frogs--a TCU blowout would be in the best interests of our program. If LaTech beats mighty TCU on national TV, CUSA officials would probably find that very appealing. But, if you want the best for the SBC, which is keeping UNT in it, then by all means root for LaTech. They'll have a very nice case for getting support to join CUSA from the other members.