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So how are you going to get the BOR to agree to buyout the remaining three years on his contract, beyond this one? Otherwise, this is just pissing in the wind. And now that we know that RV has three years left on his contract at $375k per year, you can basically forget that, too. Unless the BOR does a complete 180 on how they've looked at contracts in the past, which they haven't ever shown even an inkling of doing (see Tony Benford and Todd Dodge as recent examples), this is going nowhere. Even watching attendance drop by half or more at the Super Pit for mens basketball games literally didn't even register with the BOR to do something other than let Benford get to that penultimate 4th year of his 5 year contract. Then, and ONLY THEN, will UNT buyout a contract. IOW, McCareny ain't going anywhere until the end of the 2016 season, but much more probable is that he won't get relieved of his duties until the 2017 football season, which is, you guessed it, the 4th year of his 5-year contract. Expecting anything different here from the BOR and administration is insane...

Basically, in a nutshell, think of everything you like about watching Art Briles' Baylor teams of the last 5 years...then imagine the exact polar opposite of that. That's what your first UNT game will feel like, at least inside of the stadium.

Yeah, that is what I'm afraid its come to...otherwise, I just don't know what else to do to feel any kind of connection to our alma mater Does he know anything about hiring successful people?

So I have been very unfair to our College of Music over the years--feeling jealous that they got more attention and funding at the expense of athletics. I got called out about it on here for my negativity about them--which was deserved, since I have been such a negative poster about it over the years. But, now, I realize it was really my jealousy talking. I just never understood why music mattered so much here while athletics didn't. So I decided to start actually looking into the COM at their website and on the internet and get a better idea of how special it is for our university. I don't know diddly-squat about any of this, so its been an eye-opener. http://best-music-colleges.com/university-of-north-texas According to this, we are #1 in the state as the top music, the second best in the South, and ranked 13th in the country right now. Our football team, in comparison, is dead-ass last in the state's FBS programs, and probably ranked in the 120's right now in FBS. At least at football games, we have the Green Brigade, who I have never truly appreciated, even when the drumline has been mentioned as the best in the country in previous years. I am going to try and turn over a new leaf, going forward, and spend halftime watching their performance, taking in their impressive talent and direction. It used to irritate me to no end that we had people who would only to the game to watch the marching performance and leave after halftime, but I am finally starting to understand why they have been so closely followed over the years. Again, this is all really new to me, which sounds ridiculous since I started following UNT in 1990, but I have decided to make it a point to give them the time and interest they deserve. So my next question is kind of dumb, I'm sure, but does the Green Brigade only perform at athletic events or do they have other performances outside of the games at Apogee? I honestly have never taken the time to find out, but I'm gonna try and see what this is all about, just to see if I enjoy it like I should for such a highly ranked program. I am a guy who has always just been a sports fan, one that truly wanted my university to care about winning the way I did. Now that I am beginning to look at this from the other side of things--as in "What does UNT excel at in the eyes of the country?"--it has made me realize that I'm the one who is going to have to change my views on how to connect better to my alma mater. I cannot change the BOR and administration or the culture around Denton that involves winning at football or basketball, so maybe this is a "If you can't beat them, join them" moment, but this might be the only way I can try and "connect" with my alma mater. Because the other route has caused great cynicism and embarrassment for most of the 25 years I have been following this place.

#UNTADforlife has three years left on his current contract at $375k per year. There is absolutely no way that the BOR here is going to authorize a buyout of that contract this year or next year, then turn around a pay a salary out to a new AD. That is not the UNT way. Look, I think the guy absolutely sucks at being an AD for a FBS Football program. The football program, since 2001, has gone 64-108 for a .372 winning percentage. If you take away 2002-2004, when Dickey's team had their three winning teams in his tenure, and then start at 2005, we have exactly one winning season, going 40-93, for a .300 winning %. That span covers three head coaches--all of whom were either hired and/or extended by RV, including the worst hire in the history of the program, Todd Dodge. And with all of that to endure, the BOR has looked at RV's record here and said that winning 30% of your games in the one sport that brings in revenue in the last 10 years, not to mention the utter failures at hiring basketball coaches, and the BOR said, very clearly that the best thing to do here is EXTEND RV. Until something tells me otherwise, #UNTADforlife is the best title you can give to RV.

I actually think Greer will start next year, as a senior busdriver, but if he doesn't, it will be because another Tall, unathletic QB will get the job.

what could possibly lead you to believe that RV is going to get fired? He has the BOR and the half dozen monied donors completely on his side. FlyontheWall basically confirms this... #UNTADforlife

I didn't have a problem with extending him, just thought 5 years was way too much for a school that won't buyout anything more than a year of a contract. If you don't extend Mac after the bowl game in 2013 for at least a couple of years, you basically announce that you don't care that you became a winner finally, meaning no coach worth considering would ever look at coming here. But, in true UNT fashion, we gave him 5 years, which makes 2017 his last year at the earliest.

congratulations? my idiotic belief that we would win is posted a few times in this thread--we couldn't even beat a team that won one game last year as the worst FBS team in the country...as a matter of fact, got our asses pounded. So embarrassing...

your absolutely right--and the BOR has an acceptable answer... actual butts in seats

The BOR might just let us get demoted again to the Southland Conference, though... if you won't spend the cash, can't raise the cash, or just don't have the cash, then you shouldn't have a FBS team. Otherwise, you just embarras everyone associated with the program. And your AD has watched over a 14 year span that has not even seen us exceed the .400 mark...not .500... .397

without a doubt, the QBs at Denton Ryan, Denton Guyer, and Denton High are at least as talented as McNulty, but probably waaayyyy better, no matter what grade they are in.

He will be...after 2016, with only two years left on his contract. Chico will be gone sometime between now and the last game of the season. Mac will be gone after 2017. And RV is #UNTADforlife

to expect that any decent throwing QB in Texas HS football will even look to come here is laughable. Look at the ridiculous offense we run, then look at who the coach believes in as the best option for the team--who probably wouldn't beat out 95% of Texas HS senior QBs right now, and then see how he "executes" and you'll see that there is no chance we will get a decent QB here. The last two QBs we have gotten are jucos, who obviously cannot play (Greer) or won't be given a chance because he's no busdriver (D.Smith).

they are both equally absurd...

I have to eat major crow here. I felt like we would surely beat you guys tonight and I thought yall would be a fairly easy win. I was wrong and I severely overestimated a team that I was on record to absolutely suck still even if we beat you guys. Now, it's very possible that you guys just beat the worst FBS program in the country, which is what we did to you guys last year. The difference is that your coach had quit on your school and the money and power behind your program made him leave immediately. Our coach hasn't quit at all--he thinks that his game plan will eventually work...it stopped working in about 1975, but he is still running in 2015. We have no money (apparently) and the powers that be like music and arts, so he will be here for two more wins for you guys in the next two seasons for sure. Enjoy Chad Morris while you can--he's not gonna be there for long if he turns yall around in the next few years.

If this indeed true...come on UNT90--you know it's true, even if you don't want to admit it. Think about the loss of fans at the Super Pit after Benford's failure. We have lost basically 50% of the attendance at games in conference play that we had in JJ's last year's. And yet nothing--NOTHING--has changed...except that RV got an extension from the BOR. I give up. I'll still follow the team and attend games when I can, but I'm just gonna do what the BOR wants me to do--talk up our world-class music program, how great a value our tuition and fees are, and then just wait for the Rick Villareal Athletic Department Complex to get completed. We told you that McNulty would be Mac's QB to start the season and he will stay that way for at least the first 4 games. Chico is a dead man walking now, most likely will lose play calling at some point soon, and he will be replaced by an OC who is on the same page as Woody Hayes McCarney. This continues for another three years, BARE MINIMUM. SMU might win a few more games, but I highly doubt it. They just got the benefit of beating us in front A very large Mean Green crowd that won't show up for another game all season. Congrats, BOR and RV on scheduling SMU!! This will cement our place as the worst FBS team in the state.

it doesn't matter...until everyone understands that this is ALL ABOUT COST, you're gonna beat your head against the wall thinking something different is possible. It's not until you change that mindset. Seeing how that mindset has existed for, oh, I don't know, about 50 years here, you and I will be long gone before this change occurs...

This COULD pay big dividends for us down the road as the student body of the last 5 years graduate and follow the program, especially when these grads reach their 50s and 60s and actually care about the athletic teams, something we haven't really had in any sizable number since the late 70s. Its certainly a different feel at UNT than when I graduated in 1995 and when I moved from Denton in 2001. Athletics isn't loathed by 98% of the student body, as it used to be. Obvioulsy, the student body percentage that feels engaged with our teams may not even be as high as 5-10%, but it is at least double or triple what it was when I was in school. Of course, being a 1-aa program for all but my last year in college had a lot to do with that, but I know that the SBC run did bring in more students than had been engaged in decades, as did the hire of Todd Dodge, even though he was an abysmal coach here, just because he had name recognition and ran a wide-open offense. With Apogee, CUSA, and the 2013 HoD win, the student body has showed great improvement, for sure. UNT's attendance issues today all deal with apathetic alumni and citizens around campus. That's why I say this COULD change things greatly in the coming years, but its going to take commitment by these new or future graduates. I'll say it again, McCarney, when he shows off that uber-positivity and motivation, is a great sell for the university's family, assuming the wins can follow. We need that same thing from a basketball coach--which is why hiring someone who has actually been a head coach before is so important this time. This is why if I were Smatresk, the very first thing I'd be doing as soon as this 2015-2016 season is over for football and mens hoops is to replace the AD, hire one who will be able to get us a basketball coach that could transform our hoops program again, as well as to let McCarney know, assuming that the losing continues and the negative, Dickey-esque comments begin to come out again like they surprisingly did in the middle of last season, his last year to show us something will be 2016 or else. There is no reason that we cannot be a top level G5 program in the years to come, but we won't be until the leadership decides to make winning athletics a top priority. Smatresk is our great hope right now to be the one person who leads this change.

I'd take the win over SMU. Very few will care if we make the Bahamas Bowl and play Toledo or Akron. Beating SMU helps way more in recruiting than a hypothetical bowl berth in the Bahamas. That said, if the bowl game offered was another Heart of Dallas Bowl to play a B1G team, I'd take that in a heartbeat over beating SMU.

#UNTADforlife Unless the BOR decides to fund this thing to get rid of poor coaches as needed, not when deemed acceptable for a buyout, the whore game has to stay around, just to pay for the non-revenue sports. The easiest way to do it would to have an AD and staff that could raise funds better than they do, but its never easy to raise money when you lose at the sports people care about. But our AD instead just goes to the BOR and shows them how we are in budget and that's all they care about--doesn't matter that we have gotten there by having 2 five home game seasons in the last 4, and that we hosted FCS Texas Southern and Portland State in those two years. Next, he will say, don't you love tailgating and how much the fanbase loves it? Then he gets to say I even got evil, powerhouse SMU to agree to play a home-and-home series with us for 12 years. And then the pats on the back come from the BOR, the extensions get offered, and the contracts get accepted--and that's how you get to be the #UNTADforlife. As a reminder, football at UNT has a 64-107 record in RV's tenure. And when you factor in both basketball programs in his tenure, along with football, our AD has watched over our three revenue programs at a .456 winning percentage (thank God for Johnny Jones or we might not even be at a .400 clip) He has hired or extended on his watch the following: Darrell Dickey, Todd Dodge, and Dan McCarney in football, Johnny Jones and Tony Benford in mens hoops, and Shanice Stephens, Karen Aston, Mike Petersen, and Jalie Mitchell in womens hoops. Of that group, Todd Dodge and Shanice Stephens are the worst of all time in their sports in the history of our school, while Tony Benford wasted the best team we certainly had since the 70s, maybe forever, and Mike Petersen is not viewed as the worst in womens hoops because of Shanice Stephens. Obviously, we will never know how Aston would've done here over the long-term, but hopefully our own Jalie Mitchell will bring her history of success to a program that is just plain awful. Darrell Dickey and Dan McCarney basically look the same, x's and o's wise, as well as winning percentage wise here, so that leaves Johnny Jones as the best he's had. 1 sure hit out of 9, with a very probable hire that will need to be made again in mens hoops at some point in 2016. I'm sure that will work out great for us!! But I'm even more certain that RV will be receiving another extension very soon, on the way toward being here for another decade at least, and will involve the athletic complex being named after him. #UNTADforlife

All of these DFW SWC media want SMU to rise up again, just like they did when June Jones got there. They all look down on UNT, for many obvious reasons, many of which are our own fault. But its fascinating just how much talk that SMU can still generate in this market, while dealing with the pro teams, the Big XII and SEC, and the fact that they have a small fanbase that doesn't relate to anywhere but North Dallas' rich suburbs. TCU managed to accomplish so much more than SMU because of their financial commitment to being a winner that was complemented greatly by Ft. Worth's support, of which just dwarfs SMU's support from Dallas. Yet, I still feel like to some of the old guard media establishments here in DFW, they act like SMU could actually turn things around to be equals with TCU or Baylor right now. But the little crack that TCU squeezed thru, both in the MWC and winning the Rose Bowl, as well as gaining admittance into a P5 conference, has basically been sealed, especially for a small school like SMU. They have lots of money, no doubt, but really, that and memories of Pony Excess are all they bring to the table.

I stand corrected--thanks AoD!!

Well, their athletic department does have a very nice luxury of having a good basketball program. Last season, they went 20-0 at home and averaged 7004 in home attendance. Their worst average attendance at home was in 2013-2014, when they averaged 5778. We haven't averaged even 4000 in any season in the last 30 years, if ever... I've said this before, but a winning basketball program that actually gets 5000 or more out to games would help the entire athletic department just as much as it has at Old Dominion. By the way, this doesn't count the fact that ODU also ahs had some really good women's teams over the years, which I would assume get more than a few hundred people to attend their home games.

The bodybag game isn't ever going to go away...ever. Its free money that you can count on--and almost every G5/FCS AD knows that these bodybag games aren't going to be available too much further out when the P5s split away eventually. The problem with our schedule is that we think bad FCS programs are worth hosting just to get a win and have 6 home games. Those FCS squads take away money from your bodybag game proceeds, don't help your team one bit for competing with other FBS schools, and if you lose, especially at our current place, just crushes you down even further in the eyes and minds of recruits. The efforts to replace the paycheck game won't happen until the paycheck game goes away. I suspect that by 2025, the P5s will break off and those paychecks will be a thing of the past.