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That UTSA loss was tough, for sure. The opener at Texas last year was very disappointing, too. I thought we might see a better game, but that's when it became real clear that having a QB above the FCS level here was not going to be in the cards...

I gotta give it to you, you found a solid candidate...I still think Stull's record of suckitude isn't RVs in the three main sports, but its not very far.

Name one other AD who would have kept his or her job with a record like this and a graveyard of coaching hires like RV has made. I'll wait for the answer...

I wish you read something recently that said we were looking to upgrade our athletic director soon...

No it won't...in part, because Benford has already failed miserably, just as Shanice Stephens did, just as Mike Petersen did, just as Todd Dodge did, and just as Dan McCarney did, and he is still here because it either costs too much to fire him since we have spent over $2 million dollars this year alone to get rid of two of those hires, with another firing soon to occur at some point in the next 6 months, OR because his buddies on the BOR and within the UNT 17 won't let him get fired, which is even worse...

I think we can add a new number one to this list...if not more. FCS Portland State 66--FBS North Texas 7--record breaking loss, leading to head coach getting fired after the game, and leading to countless jokes about being the North Texas State Armadillos by Chip Kelly and the media. The lowest point that a school who is classified as FBS has ever reached...

I will say this...knowing this place, we will hire someone who will make RV look like Deloss Dodds if he got fired here. But I'd take the chance...

I can help you with these answers, UNT90. Nothing will happen to RV if he keeps Dodge for the next year...or year after...or when he hires the next coach and he gets fired after losing in the biggest loss ever by a FCS squad over a FBS school on our Homecoming. Especially since he has had great facilities built under his watch and opened up Tailgating!! And when he schedules the huge college football powerhouse SMU for a 12 year series in a new stadium, he is gonna just be golden. His legacy will be #UNTADforlife and for having cultivated something like, oh, I don't know, 17 big money donors that will basically run the place and keep RV around as their best friend. I just hope that he never has to replace Johnny Jones with some unqualified recruiter to be our head coach and keeps him around for 4 years or more...I bet that never happens, though.

Look, a banner flying over a stadium calling for a change at the AD helm isn't affecting one recruit's decision to consider UNT, one way or the other. If it does, then he better look at FCS schools, because this kind of stuff happens everywhere. I remember being at games in Austin when planes were flying around that said "Dump DeLoss and Flush the John" back in 1997. This stuff happens at lots of places that are higher up the FBS foodchain than we are. Whoever gets this job is going to really, really, really want a head coaching job. He is going to inherit a very below average roster that isn't geared to any kind of wide-open offense, an AD that doesn't have a clue on how to effectively run an athletic department at this level, a fanbase that has been dropped kick down so much that it probably will start off well below the levels that Dodge and McCarney enjoyed, and a recruiting hole that appears to be miles deep with Texas HS coaches, parents, and recruits as compared to every other FBS team in the region. Its gonna take a while to build up from this dumpster fire. That's how little developed talent is here, especially on the lines, which was supposed to be McCarney's specialty. And I am still not convinced that the starting QB for 2016 is anywhere near this team right now, including Damarcus Smith. I don't see how anyone can be convinced that he can be counted on, both on and off the field, with the issues he has had with eligibility and running an offense, both here and previous stops. It really wouldn't surprise me to see Dillman get lots of praise from a new coach, either, as an option at QB. This is a team that has shown it will quit when things get tough, to a point that you get beat in a record fashion by a FCS school. Next year, if we get Old Dominion, Charlotte, and an F_U from CUSA East, as well as playing Liberty and SMU at home and at Army, the schedule should be easier than this year, especially if we get this crazy thing called a bye week in the middle of the season at some point. But to think we will just turn this thing around to win more than 3 games next year is probably homerish. I truly believe we will go 0-12 this year, but 1-11 is possible. If we can just get back to winning 3 games next year, it would be a step in the right direction. Anything more than that would seem, to me, outrageous with the current roster and our recruiting situation.

I truly believe that the WKU game was my last one...unless the AD gets canned, I really believe that it was my last game. Just because of scheduling, I cannot go to the UTSA or UTEP games anyway, but I truly believe my last game was a blowout loss against a team known as Western Kentucky, who brought about 50 people to the game, with another 5-8k in attendance, sitting at the top of the center section at the 50-yard line, with two people near me in the next 8 rows of the section...come to think of it, its not too terribly different than being at a game in Fouts against some of our opponents from 1991 thru 2010... September 2003, at a packed Fouts, beating Baylor 52-14, with our best team we ever fielded since Fry left...that will always be the high point of my UNT fandom. It seems a long way from getting our asses handed to us by a FCS school in the Pacific Northwest in an epic, historic fashion on Homecoming, prompting the university to drop $2+ million to fire the head coach right after the game. Our mountain top might not be that high compared to others, but our low point is the Marianas Trench of modern college football history...and we can thank the same AD who watched over both points over that 12 year timeframe. Congratulations again, RV...you won--and we lost (in every way possible).

I think the next round of realignment will be the final Power pull away from the G5s. The door will be completely shut at that point for good. Probably won't have anymore games played between us anymore, which is probably how it should be anyway. I think the next realignment will do something kind of old school--its gonna create a lot of FBS independents again. Schools that get left out of power conferences, but will follow a BYU type situation, where leagues will play the Baylors and TCUs of the world, as "acceptable" OOC opponents. As for us, we screwed ourselves long before the RV-led fiasco. We really could have potentially made ourselves into something bigger, even on a G5 level, like UH, UCF, USF, and others have done. But we didn't, and our location and legacy of losing really cost us...other leagues looked at DFW as territory better served by SMU and TCU than us, even when both teams sucked badly in the mid-to-late 90s and beyond. The disastrous I-aa decision that we made and allowed for 12 freaking years just killed us, losing generations of potential fans in a football-crazed state, and helping to instill in the minds of so many that we weren't serious about college athletics. Today, even after a decade of improvement in facilities and conference affiliation, as well as bigger fanbase, our w/l records just crushed any of the effects of those improvements. Our place in the future of college football will be in a setup where almost all of the G5s and top FCS schools will create a new setup for a permanently lower division within the NCAA or it will be the top division of the NCAA because the Power Schools leave the NCAA for good, which I think is doubtful for many rea$on$ for both the NCAA and the $chool$... I don't know what it will be like when we play UTSA or UTEP in games when that eventuality occurs. I can see it still getting a crowd at Apogee of near 20k when we are good and I can see a scenario where it looks like a game at Fouts in 1985 or 1990, where we are lucky to draw 10k because nobody cares about football at a lower level, even if its against better-known Texas and regional schools than when we in the Southland Conference. But I truly believe this will be the reality in college football within the next 10-15 years, if not sooner.

Yeah, but what are you specifically going to do?

A picture says a thousand words...if you don't think the DRC and NT Daily won't be photographing this, you're being short-sighted. Plus, if it pisses off the UNT 17, even better. Look, the small donor fans are getting the win here. It either affects the change that needs to happen to the clear majority of people that follow the program in some fashion or it doesn't do anything, we paid to make our voices felt, and got to see the university's leadership give us a big middle finger, which allows us to use our time and money in a different way going forward. To me, clearly, the biggest losers in this whole thing are the people who have bankrolled this thing and think that things are just great at UNT as long as RV is around because he is just so nice, he has a "vision", or because he gave us tailgating and a home-and-home series with SMU for the next decade. When you have sections of a stadium or arena to yourself, to the point that they can basically be yours without anyone with any dozens of rows of you, you might feel like a big-timer to your fellow buddies, but to the rest of the world, its looks rather pathetic, as in a complete waste...of time, money, and opportunity. It may feel better to you all when you compare it to how things were in 1995 when we moved up to FBS and played at Fouts and would soon join the Big West Conference and you'd be completely right. But if you ask our friends at UCF, USF, Boise State, Nevada, Troy, MUTS, WKU, and UTSA if we have gotten results that they would find acceptable since 1995, you wouldn't even get an answer--because they would laughing so hard as they walked off, knowing how ridiculous that question is for their own school.

So the question really is this: What are you going to do about it? Do you keep going to games? Do you keep donating money to the athletic department? At some point, a line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere. What do you do to protest this?

If true, that is oh, I don't know, about 12 months too late...that ultimatum should have been issued after last football season and during another lackluster Benford season, along with a cluster in women's hoops. In other words, somewhere around December of last year, RV should have been told this: We are firing your women's coach as soon as we can because its not going to cost too much (the UNT way). We will go ahead and keep Benford on for another year, but if he falls apart again OR if the football team doesn't improve at all this year above the 4 wins we got in 2014, your ass is done as the AD here. You gave us 5 home games and no bye week for our football team, with the one OOC game being against an FCS school from the Pacific Northwest, all while we now play in a stadium that can attract better opponents that are FBS. If an ultimatum got issued now to fix this, it would be the equivalent of a homebuilder, whose shoddy work caused a home to burn down to the ground, getting told by the owner to rebuild it better this time or else...the homebuilder already proved he couldn't do the job correctly the first time and it led to complete and utter destruction. If you give that guy a chance again, its more of a "shame on me" deal than anything else at this point. That's exactly how I feel about us right now. To trust RV with hiring a janitor is being too trustworthy of him at this point...hell, I'd trust the janitor more on picking a head coach for a revenue sport than I would RV and I'm not even kidding.

Western Kentucky had something we never had when they moved up to FBS in 2007--they already had a very solid and supported athletic department because of their basketball success. They got big crowds every year for basketball, so they knew that the support of a FBS move up would be achievable and would be successful once they got their feet set. They have a very high ceiling, in my opinion, as high as anyone in CUSA. They don't tolerate losing at all...

That's very Todd Dodge-esque...

Has anyone finally identified who is on this "committee"?

For me, this is kind of my last way of giving into something that might affect the needed change in the athletic department. If it doesn't change anything, well, that's ok...because it informed the rest of us to never step foot in a venue that hosts UNT or give one single penny to the operation anymore. For the umpteenth time, this is probably the one time where the university will actually tell you just serious they are about creating a winner in revenue sports. You cannot tell anyone, BMD, small donor, student, or alum, that you want to win by keeping a guy who has overseen a .361 winning percentage in his time in Denton for the three revenue sports. He has hired, IMO, three of the worst coaches in the university's history in Shanice Stephens, Todd Dodge, and Tony Benford--who make the tenures of Mike Petersen and Dan McCarney look solid by comparison. To even drill down further, his last three hires for football, mens basketball, and womens basketball have each gone 22-33 (Mac), 42-53 (Benford, following the best run maybe ever at the school, with the most talented roster we've probably ever had, and the most dumbed-down OOC schedule at home a coach can get in the last two years), and 28-61 (Mike Petersen). Basically, in his entire tenure here, he has one great hire in Johnny Jones--who, by the way, is the first winning coach to get hired away to a Power school directly from UNT since Jerry Moore got hired away to Tech in 1981... To keep him as your AD is to tell the 2% of the UNT Family that care about revenue sports here that you are really an imbecile, that you should have been smart enough to follow what the other 98% have done and ignore or walk away. Either way, we don't care...our enrollment will always be high, most likely increasing in years to come because of our location, so we will get paid no matter what...

There is no way that UCF is worse than we are...

Explain to me how an athletic director could keep his job if the university he works for decides to form a committee to choose candidates for the head coaching vacancy that will then get the final selection done by a university president, not the athletic director?

Extension worthy, probably...

As have I...

So you and your buddies are going to keep RV here, help him sort thru the candidates for the opening of head football coach at UNT, and assist him in hiring said coach in the weeks ahead, yet in this "time of huge crisis" you are on gmg,com worrying about rules on posting with the moderators... Gee, how in the world did we ever find ourselves at 0-6 with the worst loss in FBS history when one of the biggest donors we have that bends the ear of the AD at anytime is arguing about rules on posting on an internet forum??

RV definitely deserves to keep his job!! Our football team is the worst in FBS and our mens basketball team is #248 out of 351... Losing...