untjim1995

I think the better question is what will you do if Mac isn't fired after this year? What about if not after 2016? And the same for RV? will you stick to fully supporting as you have? will you lower the donation? will you stop buying season tickets? will you stop going to games? will you walk away for good, never to come back like the super majority has done here forever?

even if we win this next game, 11 losses will be damn near impossible to avoid...

What we are seeing is just a extension of the ineptitude that the university has shown towards football since Fry left. Whether it's bad hires, terrible facilities, dropping down a level of play, or subpar recruiting, we have no idea how to fund a winning program. If you hire someone in any business, you don't make it financially impossible to let them go if needed. IOW, you sign someone to a contract that can be bought out at anytime. If someone hires an employee that is a poor performer but cannot be fired because the money isn't there, then that person should get fired. But, instead, we just let those hires flounder until they are deemed affordable to terminate. You cannot be surprised when the product sucks when that mindset exists....

it's so North Texas to have 17 people hold the rest of us hostage with an AD who can't hire anyone to win here in a revenue sport and to have a BOR that thinks he deserves extensions....

I said before the opener that if we couldn't beat SMU, there wasn't one FBS team we can beat. Now, a win at home against an FCS team on Homecoming looks to be a defeat. I won't be there because I won't waste my time or money on a game against a team from the FCS level, but 0-12 is staring us in the face. If we think Mac's recruiting has been bad before, imagine how it's gonna look after this.

oh, I agree on the changes needed, but the commitment won't happen here until the BOR changes their view. That change could be even worse than you are wanting--that's my point. They've done it before--and it killed the program then for decades--probably the university's connection to giving alumni, too.

Be careful at what you ask for--we've dropped the F down before when faced with this decision and looked at it as a great opportunity and plan. It killed the program's long term chances and still affects us badly today.

you'll be gone before the AD, most likely. That's how it's run in Denton with the #UNTADforlife

RV isn't going anywhere...he has the 17 big money donors and the BOR on his side. For all we know, Smatresk likes him too. This is going to be a long 2+ years for the folks who stick around here...

Only 2.5 seasons to go, folks...

That's a very old reference--almost 30 years ago, to be exact...

Say it to his face, CBL...

How about the AD at SFA?

This is spot on... If you don't want to try and compete at the FBS level, just admit it. We've had to endure it before--it won't be more catastrophic than the first go, I can promise you that. You've already shown 100000x over that attendance doesn't matter.

Last year's 4-8 record was actually a pretty good for us. Since 1995, when we moved back up to I-A (FBS), we have won 4 or more games in one season 8 times--out of 20 years.

That was one heck of a roller coaster ride, then...

He was the best passing QB we have had here as a FBS program. But the beating that he took behind that woeful OL of Dodge's offense, as well as the gameplan, just crushed the kid. I think the facilities here at the time played a big part in all of it, too, for both he and his dad. Fouts was worse than anything he played at in high school at Alamo Heights, which is San Antonio's version of Southlake Carroll or Coppell. I think they got paranoid about Riley coming in--and sadly, they were probably right to feel that way. The coach and the fans would have been ready to put Riley in as soon as Vizza had a bad stretch. Vizza looked the part--good size, good arm, and accurate downfield...but as with most things North Texas Football related, his potential was probably never going to be reached with the situation as it was. Vizza never should have come here--he'd have been much better off playing at Nevada, where he was likely headed before Dodge swooped in and got him.

At this point, I think most of us are just numb to it all...lose at home to a FCS team nobody has ever heard of on Homecoming weekend? whatever... Finish 0-12 and keep the same head coach and AD? just perfect...Watch SMU win 1 game this year and its us? of course... When we get called the idiot board by the folks in the AD, its probably because they cannot believe anyone cares enough to even watch this crap, much less help fund it.

PlummMeanGreen, NT80, and, as of last week, KRAM, who apparently died after Iowa killed us last Saturday...thoughts and prayers in this difficult time, for sure.

Man, Homecoming was looking like the greatest ever--great football team, marquee opponent, sold out stadium, huge media coverage...and now that the bonfire is cancelled, the rest of it just doesn't even matter anymore. Its as if we will be 0-4, playing some FCS team nobody has ever heard of from the Pacific Northwest, with an actual crowd that probably won't amount to half of Apogee's capacity, and only Brett Vito will be there to cover it. We can now add Mother Nature down as yet another entity that is completely apathetic to our situation here...damn global warming.

Holy Cow--how did we forget about UNTPlaymaker--the original Ben Gooding/Ryan Munthe rolled into one poster...That guy should just suffice by himself.

Or LoyalFan, GL2Greatness, and Ben Gooding

I hope that you know that I have really and honestly turned over a new leaf--almost solely because you correctly called me out on it on here--regarding the College of Music. My history of this place is just to remind folks that the truest window to the university is music and arts, as well as a value tuition. I really felt mostly jealous of the first part, never having looked at this from the standpoint of how great that College of Music really is for the university and town. I owe you and all of those graduates, as well as the current students in the College of Music a great apology for that slight. I just want us to win at the two sports I care about. But the BOR and leadership doesn't want that as much as I do. And the history of that mindset always being this way is what just kills me. And its why so many UNT alumni and students cheer for and financially support UT, A&M, Tech, OU, etc... But calling someone gramps and having dementia is beyond stupid on this--or any-public forum. That was what drew the ire...

At this point, if the university's leadership allows RV to keep his job because of the UNT 17's influence, I'll walk away finally--after 25 years. The best thing that we all have going for us is that the next 6 months will tell us so much about this place's direction. We aren't winning more than 2 games in football this year, with a coach in his 5th year, who still has three years left to get paid. The basketball coach isn't getting us to a postseason berth in his 4th year, with just one year left to be paid after this season. The AD has less than three years left to be paid on his current contract. Mac will be here, no matter what, but to see the AD get changed and to hire a new hoops coach would give me a sense of renewed faith. That new AD can put the pressure on Mac to make it clear he isn't going to have a job beyond 2017 without two winning seasons, assuming that is the earliest he can be bought out. IOW, even a 2017 winning season, if followed by another piss-poor 2016 season, will not be enough to earn an extension. This is what it will take for me to stick around if we see us win less than 4 games this year (100% certainty at this point)--replace RV in 2015, replace Benford in 2016, and replace Mac in 2017 if he doesn't win. Any of those pieces not being in place are enders for me...

Until the BOR decides that funding winning revenue programs is gonna matter here, no athletic council, athletic booster, or athletic director is gonna make any of this get better. As long as we continue to tell the alumni that tailgating is the best part of the game day experience at Apogee, nothing will change. As long as we allow coaches to keep coming back for successive season on their contracts when the attendance at their respective venues drops by a third or by half due to continued losing, nothing else will change. Smatresk is the only hope here. If he can't--or won't--get the BOR to change their minds, we might as well just acknowledge that the Rick Villareal Athletic Department will be getting done when RV retires in the next decade or so. And when we are playing conference games against the Abilene Christians, Lamars, and Nicholls States of the world again, as well as scheduling OOC games games against Midwestern State and Texas A&M--Commerce, in front of about 4000 people, we will have no one to blame but the leadership of this university who believed that athletics was a waste of time and money.