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the amazing part is that he will probably get an extension...

Until someone else tops the "Worst Loss in FBS History" Chart in the remainder of the season, CBS is correct and ESPN is wrong.

All of them have had recent success in football, as well as having some deep pocketed alumni--at least at UH, Cincy, and Tulsa, anyway. As for Bowling Green, I don't have a clue on they or any other non-descript MAC team finds success the way they do. But I'd venture a guess on all of them that football and basketball are the primary windows to the university. None of them treat those sports as if they just need to roll them out there like some spare ISD would--or as North Texas has for decades...

I mentioned in my post that I was very glad it happened and very surprised...

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Since we just bought out the richest contract in the history of the school, costing us $2.1 million or so, what salary do you think the next head coach will get? If DMac got $700k per year, basically, will we stay in that range still or go lower because we aren't hiring an older, more experienced head coach like we did with DMac? Or do we go higher, like $750k or more? Can we even afford to do that after that buyout? And how does Benford's contract year (basically) also factor into this all, since he would have a year left to be bought out if he gets canned after this season at $325k? I guess the answer to that question goes to how the buyout is being funded--was it from the donors, the university itself, or both? If the BMDs covered it, then I think the salary we will pay probably won't go down. If the university paid it in full, I believe it will drop down to the $500k range, if not further. Either way, it will be interesting to see. It really surprised me that we bought McCarney out, but I'm sure glad it happened after that loss, just to send the message that this is unacceptable in every way imaginable. It will be interesting to see if and how that impacts the next hire. An assistant coach like a Chris Thomsen or a Sonny Cumbie might be available at a $500k salary, just because of never having been a head coach at this level, and especially if it helps to attain better coordinators and other assistant coaches because the coaching salary pool would be higher if the head coach takes less.

Don't misunderstand me--I want them to be a rival...we just need to actually beat them once in a while to do that. Otherwise, we are their tomato can that gets kicked around. They have beaten us for recruits and they have scheduled P5 teams to come in and help build up a fanbase. Meanwhile, we get murdered by an FCS team in the worst loss ever by a FBS team, as well as losing to a local school with a new coach that will probably end up winning no more than two games this year. UTSA is like just about everyone else in America right now--they are ahead of us, some by a little bit like UTSA and SMU right now, some by light years. And, yes, that can and does change at the G5 level, as you showed above with UCF and USF. But what hasn't changed since is that we are in the Bottom 5 of all FBS programs for the last 10+ years. It really makes you wonder if all the losing has truly gutted us in the eyes of NCAA coaches, Texas HS coaches, and true FBS recruits that are being targets by other FBS schools. Whoever is the next coach here is going to have quite the mountain to start climbing. The roster is void of talent, as a whole, and has shown that they will quit when things get tough, not to mention that the offensive style that they were recruited to play is a polar opposite of what most teams play today. And all of that doesn't even talk about actually going out and recruiting kids to come here from the Texas high schools. Its a big reason why UTSA has a much, much brighter outlook than we have going forward. Not to mention that they have an AD who knows what SHE is doing, unlike our guy...

To verify a lot of what you say about the fans who show up not caring about results, look at the amount of posters who talk about tailgating as their main reason for attending games and that this is primary to them. Its a big reason why RV gets a pass, because he was less dumb than the previous ADs here who didn't open up tailgating at a university in the South. The only way to make the leaders at the university feel uncomfortable is to get the media involved. A banner can help that--we have already seen the NT Daily bring it up and RV go into a huge PR spin with them. Imagine if the DRC follows and Brett Vito actually hits hard on this? Or, even better, imagine some outlet in the DFW media grabbing onto this? But the problem is that from a media standpoint, we have one professional journalist that covers us from outside the university. The DFW media doesn't give two $hits about us, unless we are the punchline to a story about a bought ass-beating at the hands of a P5 team or an epic, record-breaking loss like we had against Portland State, which brings out a few complaints from DFW media members that are embarrassed alums who have abandoned the program years or decades ago. In the end, the establishment, as you rightly calls them, will keep going on as if things are fine in their world--because it is. There just isn't enough interest or money to change the status quo. So, as it always does, the university gives you two options: Accept it as is or go away...either way, they don't care what you choose. RV is the embodiment of this mindset. He is protected by the administration and the big money donors he has cultivated over the last 15 years. There isn't anything to suggest that its about to change, either.

It looks like Butch Davis is interested in the Miami opening...

We are as much of a rival as the coyote was to the roadrunner...you cant be a rival if you can't beat the other team. UTSA has fielded a team at the full FBS level for all of three plus years...and they completely own us. Even if you only look at us being FBS (again) since 1995, that's quite a sobering difference--enough to make you want to get drunk...again.

They really do own us...

I don't think we can do better than Mangino with RV as the AD...he's not the answer to the problems here--at all. You need to find our version of Tom Herman or Chad Morris that will come here or a coach like Willie Fritz. Chris Thomsen really does seem like a guy I'd want to talk to...same with Sonny Cumbie. Derek Dooley knows this area and has been a successful head coach at a G5 peer, and now has pro ties for recruiting purposes. And here we are about to hire a coach that literally no one else will hire as a head coach again...this is so RV, its not even funny.

Check out when Mangino's last year occurred and when Snyder came back to the sidelines...I believe you will see that they both occurred in 2009. And KSU beat KU again for the first time in 4 years in Snyder's first year back. Mangino was gone at the end of the season, Snyder's team went on another solid run upwards, and Turner Gill, Charlie Weis, and poor Tim Beaty have been caught in a whirlwind of suck ever since...

Yeah, that SMU hate gets into you real quick in Denton, just because of the history of them getting all the benefits from their SWC connections and keeping us out of their club. But, in reality, the bigger issue with that was that when the SWC dream got crushed, it forced Hayden Fry to realize that big time football would never get to Denton anytime soon, so he left for Iowa, and the rest of the university's leadership basically tried to euthanize the program with what followed afterwards. It was about as much of a pure give-up as you can make without purely giving up. It killed off generations of real or potential fans for decades--and it still haunts us to this day in so many ways.

His top receiver then was Desmond Briscoe, from Cedar Hill, IIRC...and we all know that Aqib Talib was their best overall player and he came from Richardson. He just isn't who we need right now, though. We need someone that will make recruits, HS coaches, fans and media take us seriously. This would be the last hire that would be taken seriously...and that's before his interactions with the public go south, which will happen with this guy. Its just a bad fit...a really, really bad fit, IMHO.

Another thing about Mangino, he finally got successful at KU when a certain wizard coach retired at Kansas State for about three years--a stretch of 2006 thru 2008. KU took advantage of KSU falling off the map, Nebraska dropping way down, and Colorado becoming a meh program. And you have to give Mangino and KU credit for that. But as soon as Snyder showed back up in Manhattan, KU's history of suckitude QUICKLY came back to them.

Mangino was the first football coach at KU that seemed to use the basketball program to his benefit with recruiting. He and Self got along great. Mangino never seemed to mind being second fiddle at Kansas. But that said, he would be a terrible fit here...just awful. We need a fresh-faced name, a guy who kids can relate to, a coach who can recruit kids to an exciting gameplan...sadly, kids know that Mark Mangino is known for one thing, predominantly, and that is being a super fatass. They've seen the pictures and heard the jokes about how our coach can eat you coach. North Texas has enough problems as it is--creating another PR joke won't help.

When he was at KU, the secretaries and athletic office employees got treated like dirt by him, apparently. It all came out when KU fell apart in 2009, when he lost the team. Reesing was the heart of that team, for sure. But he got hurt in 2009 and tried playing with the pain, but it got to be too much. Mangino's losing season finally caught up to him--it was kind of like it did with Leach and Leavitt, but worse...in that they team actually lost their last 6 or 7 games that year, when they started off ranked in the top 15, IIRC.

UNT Rivalries run like this: To those of us who graduate before 2012 that are on gmg.com--SMU Some of whom have graduated after 2012 and are on gmg.com: UTSA To the rest of the UNT alumni, students, faculty, administration, and local citizenry: apathy or actually having UNT Athletics exist

What NCAA violations are on his record?

This would be the most RV hire of all-time...hire a coach who had success at a Midwestern Big XII school, but got fired, eventually for stubbornness and boorishishness. And he coached at ISU, too!! My God, the UNT 17 have to be so effing proud right now...

Mangino is a very good coach...but his demeanor is very poor. He was known for boorish character at KU, which is what cost him his job in the end. You can be an a$$hole all day long when you win, but the moment you lose, that karma always comes around. His appearance/health will always keep him from getting another big time job--and I'd venture a guess that it would include here. He would not be a good hire for our situation--at all. He would not be a good fit for recruiting, for building up a fanbase, or for promotion (if we even try this). This would be a disaster, if true.

Dude, he ran the spread offense as the OC at OU when they won the championship in 2000, as well as his entirety as the head coach at KU. He is literally the polar opposite of McCarney's offensive mindset in every way.

Keep on trusting in RV...give him another 15 years. One of these days, he's bound to get one right--and break that pesky .500 hurdle for a football coach. And probably in the next 15 years, you'll be able to attend a Season Ticket Night at Apogee and the Super Pit and get to enjoy the new promotion--"Buy Season Tickets and you can pick out the entire row you want with each ticket that gets purchased!!" Lock in your chance to watch Liberty University play at Apogee or Northwood University at the Super Pit while you have the chance...or before you change your mind.

Yeah...I mean just look at his track record for hiring coaches. How could anyone think this could end in failure?///UNT17