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Something tells me that Les Miles will working in a TV studio as a talking head for the next couple of years. He'll take a break, look at the landscape of what will be available, then go to the highest bidder. I doubt he coaches a day next year, unless LSU changes their mind.

Last year's class was ranked 90th by Rivals. The year before,coming after the HoD winning season, we were ranked dead-ass last in FBS. The previous classes were ranked below 100, as well. When you run an offense that Darrell Royal would have believed to be too conservative in 1965, you probably won't get too many talented players on offense, usually...

Iowa State is a graveyard for coaches at the P5 level. Your talent pool is very small, basketball is the #1 sport on campus, your in-state rival gets the lion's share of decent recruits in the state, you play in a league where certain teams have access to more talent in one class than you will ever have on your whole team, and finally, the one public school in the P5s that is most likely to get left behind when the Big XII falls apart at some point before 2025 resides in Ames, Iowa. Nobody on the list that they had in the Ames newspaper will go there, not Briles, not Riley, not Meacham, not Cumbie. And the Navy coach isn't going there, either. Their best bet is to get one of the MAC school's head coach to go there, someone who knows the lay of the land up there, someone like Babers, or the head coach at NDSU, who would probably like a raise from FCS to P5...

I can't wait until we have a thread that is titled, "Final Week Before a New Athletic Director at UNT"

I think it's pretty clear that RV will be the AD here, no matter what happened in that game. I'm just glad y'all had your 4th and 5th string QBs out there. That win over y'all just made sure that our worst ever team in our history didn't go winless. So thanks for being an even bigger spare than you already are, by losing to us. If we hire any coach worth his salt, he will tell every recruit out there that our worst team ever still beat y'all this year, which is the opposite of when your coaches told recruits that in our best year in a long time in 2013, we still got beat at home by y'all, costing us the conference division title...and our recruiting followed suit after this.

For the purposes of talking about how Mac caused us to be in such a hole, talent-wise, his offensive strategy was completely unappealing to recruits. The only kids he could get here were either of two types: kids with questionable character or kids with less talent. That talent never got developed into anything better and the character of the roster showed its ass with the Portland State fiasco. The sooner this roster is completely turned over, as well as the entire coaching staff, the sooner we will have a chance to move forward. And that isn't counting the colossal handicap of the worst AD in America. The next coach will need two seasons just to flush the $hit around here down the toilet. Maybe there are some usable parts, but our recruiting rankings tell us that what has occurred shouldn't be a surprise at all. When you finish dead-ass last in FBS recruiting, as we did in 2014, you should be awful. And have we ever seen just how awful we can be with these results. That's all on McCarney...

We are witnessing history--this is our worst team. There's no way we would even have a win if it hadn't been for UTSA rolling out there 4th and 5th string QBs, allowing us to beat them by one TD at home. This team has quit on the university and the fans. There has been no worse season to sit thru ever than this one. Not one loss has been even close. I suspect UTEP will beat us in a similar fashion this week.

This thread contains so much depressing truth. I think that throwing another cent at this AD is just wasted. Give it to the university's general scholarship fund or your college directly within UNT. Give it to charities so you can still help people and get a tax-deduction. The BOR and administration don't care that Apogee's capacity isn't being half-used, on average, for a full season or that the Super Pit isn't even a quarter-filled, on average, for a men's basketball season. They want known money--see whore games and allowing 17 donors to control everything over there. They go by known costs only. They give you those two choices--deal with it or go away. Either way, they don't care what you choose. I always thought it would change after we went up to Division 1 in 1995. I believed it would finally change when we built Apogee and hired an experienced head coach for the first time in 30 years. And I believed it would change after we went 9-4 and won the HoD Bowl in 2013. And each year, until this year, I watched in amazing disappointment that the BOR and administration didn't change anything in regards to running an athletic department that wanted to win, not to breakeven cost-wise. RV is merely the puppet to this mindset. The BOR and administration are the only ones who can change it. And they look at the UNT Family and see that 98% of their "constituents" don't give a flip about our sports teams, mostly because they haven't give them any reason to think differently. That's who they pander to for their decisions--and quite frankly, its hard to blame them. Its the easier path and its the one that keeps job security. I have come around to understand that our College of Music is the equivalent of Notre Dame Football, well-known in its circles and highly followed by its fans and graduates. Its pure greatness, something I never imagined admitting in my life, because I was so jealous of what they got and athletics didn't from the BOR and administration. And its why I can't imagine that our leadership would put up with a subpar Dean of the College of Music or professors who weren't keeping that reputation of great music at an acceptable level. I just wish they gave the same level of passion to winning at athletics as they have toward the College of Music--because there is absolutely no doubt that it has paid off greatly for the university. It seems like that would be easy to translate to our leadership to do the same thing in athletics, but it obviously hasn't, and doesn't appear that it will anytime soon.

So this year, we played Rice at home in early September in the afternoon (Still hot), we played Portland State (FCS nobody on Homecoming afternoon of Texas/OU), we played Western Kentucky (on a Thursday night), we played UTSA (on Halloween NIGHT), and we play UTEP (on the Saturday after Thanksgiving). That list of games may look on par with most of the home schedules we have played in Denton for the last 20 years, but its the worst "scheduled" schedule we have ever been dealt. I guess that's more on CUSA than it is on RV, I suppose, but RV's job is to make CUSA leadership aware that gams on Texas/OU weekend, on Halloween night, and the Saturday after Thanksgiving will never draw well. And scheduling afternoon games in early September in Denton also isn't a real good idea, either. Maybe there is nothing that can be done about that timing of games, but it is without a doubt, one of the worst schedules I have ever seen. Bye week to start a season (WTF??), only OOC game is a FCS spare for the Pacific Northwest, a game on Halloween night, and a game at home on the weekend after Thanksgiving. Whoever you want to blame it on, the reality is it just plain sucked--which perfectly complimented the team we have rolled out this year.

Shocking...

You are so dead-on about the missing generations of UNT fans--its the killer for the program. You have thousands of alumni you pissed away when we went down to I-aa in 1983, thousands of students/alumni of that time who never got engaged at all, and now their kids of an age that they grew up as fans of UT, OU, A&M, etc...because we 1/4 assed it with athletics. Baylor was actually a pretty good program under Grant Teaff from the mid 70s thru the early 90s, often ranked, and won a few SWC championships in that time. TCU was a piñata for the last 50 years of the SWC, except for a year or two here and there. TCU and Rice were the whipping boys, for sure. But what always helped both of them was that they had moneyed alumni, had civic partnerships with their cities that helped with attendance, and they played opponents, especially Baylor, that drew people to their games. Literally, not one of those three things have ever been on North Texas' side. We are a teacher's school and fine arts' school, as well as being a "value" school to get your degree with as little connection to the university as possible. Denton has been apathetic to us, at best, hostile, at worst, certainly nothing like what FW has been for TCU. And we have played "spares" in the media's eyes and casual fans' eyes for decades, meaning very few people ever came up to Denton to watch us play from those schools playing here or from casual outsiders that would rather stay at home and watch football on TV or drive to Waco to watch Baylor play A&M or TCU play Texas Tech. The HoD Bowl drew thousands of MG fans, yet the very next season, after the best season we had seen here in a decade and an economy that had actually been improving, our season ticket bas DROPPED...WTF?? Denton doesn't care about who we play and if we don't give them a decent season or opponent, we don't get our stadium 2/3rd full. Just as we saw with the crowds in NO for the bowl games and the NCAA Tournament appearance, as well as the other NCAA appearance in Oklahoma City, we have people who show up to those events who couldn't identify the Super Pit or Apogee/Fouts on a map of the campus because they have never set a foot inside one of them. To be honest, after 25 years of watching all of this, I'm convinced more than ever that it probably won't ever change. Of course, we haven't really tried sustained winning over a stretch of seasons against teams people care about, so maybe that does change everything, support-wise. But the Fry years and the Dickey years of winning teams didn't move the needle other than a game a season that drew crowds that would fill the stadium at more than 2/3rds of capacity. Maybe Apogee finally changes this, as well as playing in CUSA, but people didn't show up to watch MUTS, WKU, or F_U when we were in the SBC, as well as so far in CUSA, so I don't see that changing very much in the future. I think we will continue to see SMU and Army as games that draw well at Apogee, as in over 20k, but that's about it, unless we are winning and playing a team like UTEP that also brings some fans with them.

Southern Miss is definitely the blueprint here to follow. Give the new guy time. He took over a team that went 0-12 and followed it up with a 1-11 season, winning their last game. But they got better last year, improving to 3 wins, and now sitting at 7-3, with two games left, at home against Old Dominion and at La Tech. Very possible that they are 8-4 and going into a bowl game in his third year. Its my belief that we will have a season next year very much like this year's, as the new coach gets used to the roster he has and tries to bring in recruits that fit his system, probably winning a game or two. If we can get to 3-4 wins in Year 2 of the next coach, it would be possible to see us getting to 6+ wins in Year 3. That would mimic USM and would signal major improvement.

Nope...he survived this mess, he is good until he wants to retire. The UNT 17 love him because RV gives them access to the athletic program and the BOR loves him because he keeps us within the budget they give us without complaining. Nothing else matters. We will have the Rick Villareal Athletic Department next to the Darrell Dickey Practice Fields when RV retires, if not before then. Not embarrassing at all...

In other breaking news, we need oxygen to breathe...

Vito isn't going to get fired from the DRC if he asks those questions. He will get frozen out by the UNT athletic department, which will hurt his access to the programs. Belo won't fire Vito for that, they'll just ask him to cover more Denton County high school stuff and cover UNT almost like a correspondent. And then we would have nobody to give us any decent coverage of this place.

Your dead-ass wrong about Fry leading us to I-aa.. Hayden Fry left here after the 1978 season to go to Iowa. We hired Jerry Moore. He coached here for two seasons, then got hired away by Texas Tech. We then hired Bob Tyler, who got us into deep NCAA trouble and was fired after one season. That led to hiring Corky Nelson, just as we were about to get dropped down to 1-aa in 1983. We dropped down because the NCAA has stadium size minimums, if not other regulations, that forced schools like ours to drop down if we didn't come up with viable options. Some schools, like UTA, just dropped football. Others, like La Tech and Arkansas State, figured out how to quickly climb out of the 1-aa hole. But not us. This I-aa fiasco was what our chancellor, Al Hurley, decided was the middle ground to go down to. We stayed down there for a dozen years, effectively killing the program. You'll never understand what it was like around here in the heyday of the SWC. They all cheated like crazy, but they were unbelievably good. In the 70s and 80s, at different times, Texas, Arkansas, Texas A&M, SMU, UH, Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech all had teams that got ranked for at least one season. Many of them were at the top for most of that time. And OU had their huge runs, as well, even though they were in the Big Eight, because of the Texas kids they would get to come across the Red River to Norman. Literally, we became a joke and an afterthought for fans and media in this area--where we pretty much remain to this day. We got poisoned and placed into a coma, not waking up again until 1995. And since that time, we have been able to walk, but more times than not, we are just back in bed again, like we are today, sickly and needing a lot of medicine just to get up and walk again. The reality of never running ever again, like we did only under Fry in the late 70s as being a ranked team, is very much a probability. The problem wasn't Hayden Fry's dream of admittance into the SWC, which was NCAA royalty. It was the fact that there was no plan B--like joining the Big Eight or even something smaller, like the old, original WAC that had UTEP, UNM, BYU, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado State, SDSU, and Air Force in its conference. Instead, in pure North Texas (State) fashion, we gave up. The leadership here had tried to kill the program in the early 70s, which miraculously failed somehow, and we hired Fry after SMU fired him. The success we had was huge and once the he left for Iowa, fully beaten by having absolutely no support at all with RANKED TEAMS, the leaders of the university got back to doing what they did best with athletics--they did what they could do cripple it. Because they didn't care about it at all. Some things never change...

That scenario is preferable, no doubt...its just not realistic. We are poors--we gotta lift that skirt if we are gonna pay for non-revenue sports.

Could you imagine what a victory like this today would do for our entire program? It would bring in so many disinterested students and alumni, it wouldn't even be funny. Hell, losing at Georgia by 24 points produced more interest from my non-UNT alums than any other game we have played since we beat Cincy in the NO Bowl in 2002. I really thought that game at Texas last year to open the season was our chance to do just that. Instead, we rolled out QBs that acted more scared than a blond in a horror flick and we got crushed by a very mediocre Texas team. In normal years, we would have lost that game to them 70-0 with what we rolled out there on offense. as my dear friend, Richard Durrett used to say, its gonna take UNT beating a Power Team AND winning their conference to get the DFW media's fullest attention. Until that happens, you'll see it being lukewarm, at best, or almost void, as it is when we suck like we do right now.

I am. I think that playing a FCS school is a gigantic waste of time and money, for fans and the program. We paid a FCS school hundreds of thousands of dollars this year to get prison raped on Homecoming. Last year, we paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to play a FCS school that each Denton High School would have beaten in Nicholls State, a team that literally didn't help us one bit for playing, in part because it made us believe we actually had a decent QB in Dajon Williams, who couldn't make plays against any FBS team. These games bring no one to Denton from the other schools, nor does it bring any casual fans to Apogee to watch the game. We need excitement and actual butts-in-seats, not to mention games that the DFW media might just try to have an interest in covering beyond a brief mention of the score. If this year, for example, instead of Portland State, let's say we were playing a team here like Fresno State or San Diego State, while also playing in Dallas at SMU, and two other road games, that would have been 100% better than what we had this year. That would have been 5 home games, an alternative home game in Dallas, and 6 true road games. I'd be just fine with that every other year. But don't fret--you can enjoy the great games against Bethune-Cookman, Lamar, Incarnate Word, and Abilene Christian in the coming years in a half-empty Apogee. But my stance of never attending a FCS game in Denton already paid off immensely by not witnessing the most embarrassing loss in modern college football history, at Homecoming no less. I sure hope that none of you have to endure another one of those epic losses again in person, but you're gonna get 4 more chances in the next 4 years for it to happen again, all so we can have 6 home games. Its yet another reason why we are unbelievably small-time--and why so many UNT students and alumni have zero interest in following us as their primary team. We make it really, really easy to be a t-shirt fan of the P5 giants around here before ever rooting for your own school. I know one thing--beating up FCS spares doesn't help this change. Actually competing--not even winning, just being competitive--against a well-recognized opponent at home would do 1000x more for us than beating a FCS team. But we will never get that chance anytime soon, because we are playing SMU and Army in alternative years here, two of the worst teams in FBS, as your primary OOC game.

I mentioned Pat Hill the other day...he may just be done with college coaching now that he is in the NFL, but he was a damn good coach at Fresno State. He and Dooley would both be good coaches to talk to, IMO. But again, RV is doing the hiring--this isn't going to end well.

Hoke might want a P5 job, but it ain't gonna be a job like USCw or USCe...he'd be a guy that would get hired at Iowa State or at Wake Forest, not anyone with a good history that has fallen on hard times. I do wonder who is interested in this job, though. Last time, we picked Mac over Franchione. The time before, we picked Dodge over Jimbo Fisher (please don't include Harbaugh in this list--we wouldn't afford him and he used us for interview experience). I think Sonny Cumbie is the most recognizable name that would garner attention with the DFW media and the fanbase. Lincoln Riley would do that , as well, but I have a feeling that OU will pay him to stay as the OC after this season. And I like Chris Thomsen because of the job he did at ACU, but nobody has heard of him within the casual fanbase and media. Derek Dooley would be a great fit, from a PR standpoint--fans now him, he's been a head coach with success at a CUSA conference mate, and he could potentially use his connections with the Cowboys for a recruiting benefit when talking to potential recruits, i.e.. getting Dez to come talk to a player or Terrance Williams, since we probably won't be going after the same recruits as OSU or Baylor anytime soon. He may have the most upside of any possible candidate, but who knows if he even wants to coach anywhere but the NFL after this, much less at a G5 college again.

Much like North Texas Football, the gal looks attractive, and sitting in a hot tub, but then when you get close, it just smells and sounds bad...

This thread needs bikinis to rescue it...who has it in their ability to find us some photos? Be a hero!!

Man, truer words have never been posted in that last sentence of yours, FFR. That guy might get paid awesomely well, but history under RV tells us this will not end well for him or his career as a head coach again. A coach might get over a million to come here, but the enormous pit that we are buried under right now will take time to dig out of, much less actually begin to climb any hills or mountains. The guy will have earned every cent he gets if he can even get us back to .500 in his first 3 seasons here. And then hear the AD and his supporters take all the credit...

It happens and is allowed to happen because the BOR and administration don't care. They'd get rid of the football program and use Apogee for concerts if it was their druthers. But there are enough fans, miraculously, that would leave UNT behind as soon as that football program got disbanded, meaning loss of KNOWN donors. Since we can't afford to lose any donors of a major level, the university instead has done two things over the years--1.) They just run it like its a ISD's program, just offering it as an option for students to attend even if it is poo-poo'd by the faculty, most of the student body, and most of the citizens of Denton. 2.) Now that they have major donors for athletics, so as to not disturb the apple cart, they basically are letting them run the program--and those 17 people have been sold a "vision" by RV, so they keep him in place, so as to keep their access to the program and to not have to admit that they got swindled by their buddy. And that's why you are dead-on about us having shame instead of pride.