untjim1995

I don't care how long it is--3 years, 5 years, or 7 years...just buy the damn thing out like you just did with McCarney when it becomes obvious that the guy isn't going to turn things around. I'll say something great about the UNT 17--they proved that they won't let buyouts get in the way anymore, like we always did before when we only had the university funding things. So, from that point, going forward, they have made it clear that there won't be anymore Bumfords or Todd Dodges drawing checks for an extra year or two beyond when they should. Because otherwise, it would just look rather hypocritical to not accept Mac's failure, while continuing to accept the failures of coaches like we have endured for most of the last 20 years. If you cannot buy it out, don't offer it...

At some point, don't you have to wonder if maybe this level of athletics just isn't the place for us? One good season in football in the last 11 years. 4 winning seasons in 21 years. Today, we are the worst FBS team in America and have almost the lowest average in attendance for FBS schools. Texas State got more people to a game than we did, for crying out loud!! They play SBC nobodies and they drew better than we did. If you won't change the person in charge of that program for the last 15 years, where we have sucked for most of them, how can you expect anything to be different at this level? And for those that think I'm advocating a drop down in levels, I'm not at all--I'm just questioning if we can truly turn this around here for more than a year, particularly with the culture that allows RV to stay as the AD. I can honestly say that I don't think its possible with the current leadership and attitude of the personnel in charge at the BOR, administration, AD, and his circle of BMDs. I want us to be a great football program, just like everyone else here does, but at some point, don't you have to look at the fact that we have been just about awful since we moved up to FBS in 1995? We have two wins over Texas Tech, a win over Baylor, a win over Cincy, a win over UNLV, and a win over Rice when they won CUSA in 2013. Sure, we had some other solid wins--two over Ball State, a couple over SMU, and a win over Tulsa--in those 2 decades, but we have also suffered the worst loss in modern college football history against Portland State, 66-7. Our attendance is horrible, our record is terrible, and our fundraising is pathetic--and that is sadly compared to SBCUSA schools now. And with all of that to look at and absorb, the leaders around here look at it and clearly say, "RV, great job, buddy!!"

And Lamar!!

Silver, what say you about this glorious part of our history?

Craig Helwig sucked as an AD, but he runs loops around RV when it came to getting one decent OOC game at Fouts, usually. We opened seasons in Denton at Fouts, in front of 19K or more (which was HUGE by Fouts standards back then), for games against UNLV, Baylor, and TCU, not to mention Texas Tech at Texas Stadium twice. Compare that with paying for season tickets at Apogee to watch Portland State, Nicholls State, Texas Southern, and Bethune Cookman.

Will he allow his interim OC to fight a fan in the stands at halftime of their bowl game without getting a wrist-slap?

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Amber Alerts might be necessary to find some of our oldtimers again...last seen, walking out of Apogee/Super Pit, muttering to themselves, while a large, mustachioed man was walking behind them, screaming about a "vision"...If seen, call the UNT 17 immediately-- so that they can get their buddy some legal representation.

Why not just wear non-logo gear? If I go to a UT game or an A&M game with my buddies, I just wear a neutral color shirt. I don't care who it is, when a fan wears the apparel of a team not playing, it looks very, very strange...I'm always amazed when I watch the Texas-OU game on TV every year and see the random Aggie Fan with his 12th man jersey on. The fan may think it makes him look extremely loyal to his school, but in reality, to the rest of the world, it screams many bad things I don't wish to post on this website...

So, since we averaged over 13k in attendance at a school with three times that in student enrollment alone, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of alumni, as well as the millions in the DFW area, when does the anti-stadium crowd begin ranting about how much of a waste it was to spend $78 million dollars on a stadium that is paid for on the students' backs? They can easily argue that Fouts handled our crowds and opponents with plenty of room to spare. Apogee is a god-send, no doubt. But I've always wondered how the 98% of the UNT Family that doesn't care about our football team or absolutely loathes it don't bitch and moan to the highest points in Denton about what a colossal waste of money this was in the face of the ineptness we have shown. What would be deliciously ironic is if they bitched so much that it led to the firing of the chancellor and the AD who were in charge when it got passed, two people who have allowed our program to fall apart.

Meacham would be a solid pick. Jinks and Littrell have more upside and downside, IMO, than Meacham, at this point. Chambers shouldn't even be mentioned with the other three--but the schadenfreude that the CUSA West foes would have if RV hired him would be off the charts. There's a reason that the UTSA poster on here suggested that our win over UTSA this season might be worth it for them, in the end, since it means that RV gets to stay. Its never a good thing whan a rival openly asks that you keep your AD or head coach during dismal seasons...

I advocated this earlier this year, and I realize he may not want to leave his current gig, but I'd take Jordan Case as our next AD in a heartbeat. Guy bleeds green, knows how to deal with people with money, and can relate to players and coaches because of his playing days. But RV isn't going anywhere, so its just a pipedream.

I truly believe that Smatresk likes athletics--but he cannot remove RV as the AD because of the BOR and the UNT17. And the university President has to focus on so much other stuff, this isn't worth his political capital to burn thru with the BOR and administration, knowing it will probably cost him something of value, if not his job. Look, it is what it is. RV won here, folks. He rubbed the right BOR elbows and insulated himself with 17 very wealthy people who basically fund the program above what the BOR will do. I think the university lost in all of this, but that's not how they feel, since its about known costs and revenue streams, instead of opportunity costs/revenues lost. I'm just waiting for the RV PR announcement that the sections of Apogee and the Super Pit get named after the members of the BOR and the UNT17.

Lots of truth here...

I thought this Navy-UH game told us just how far away the best of the G5s are from us, the worst team in FBS. Guys, those two teams are light years ahead of us right now. Thankfully, we play two of the absolute dregs of FBS, SMU and Army, next season in OOC. I'm forever grateful to UTSA for starting their 4th and 5th string QBs when they came to town and lost to us by a TD in the 4th quarter. I pray we never see an 0-Fer season, because the two 1 win seasons we have endured in the last 8 have been amazingly awful. Speaking of which, since 2005, our program has had two one win seasons now, three two win seasons, two three win seasons, two four win seasons, a five win season, and a nine win season. If you wonder why TCU fans and many others think this is a dead-end job, it's because that span covers 4 head coaches in those 11 seasons, with a cumulative record of 36-97... thats what the new guy gets to jump head first into with the recruits, coaches, and parents, as well as what's left of this fanbase...and we haven't mentioned the idiot AD yet. Folks, it's gonna take a lot of time.

Tech fans are awful...the worst in these parts by miles. Baylor fans are the dumbest. Texas and SMU are the most arrogant... A&M has the most delusional fanbase in that they think they are better at football than they ever are. And UNT has the most apathetic fanbase in this region. But that's because they are smart enough to either see or figure out the BS they are fed by the powers that be to leave and follow someone else. That's actually pretty effing smart, if you ask me.

I've always said that the UNT 17 would have their own personalized sections at Apogee and at The Super Pit...today, apparently was buy one section, get two free...

I truly hope hope for the sake of the current fans, that the next coach is one you all will support. I think that will be very important and he will definitely need plenty of time to get this thing turned around...probably three years at a minimum, to be honest. That's how bad it is here right now. When you are the worst team in the FBS, you don't turn around in a year--see SMU this season. For me, I'll root for UNT from a distance, hoping the new coach can help the program improve in every aspect needed right now. But the AD getting to keep his job and make this hire just was my line in the sand. Maybe when RV retires, dies, or just finally quits, I will feel differently, but it's just too hard to spend the money and time on this with a family to raise, only to see bottom 20 results with no consequences for leading that losing for 15 years. It's just beyond depressing. But as I said, I just hope that the new coach is well-received by those that RV hasn't run off yet. If he isn't, he has no chance of rebuilding this into a .500 or better program eventually.

There will be much laughter and much head-shaking if this UNC position coach gets the job. I figured Applewhite was always a pipe dream anyway...

their coaches and parents know him very well...that's a huge influence right there Applewhite would be a steal--if you can get him here, you do it. Young, innovative, and very well-known. That would be a very un-RV type hire.

I just think you laid out every reason for why the fanbase needs to understand what lies ahead for UNT next season. Recruiting with such a short window for the new staff, installing an offense that should be built for today's game with a roster full of players built for the exact opposite kind of offense, and having no FBS QB on the roster doesn't add up to a big turnaround. Getting to 3 wins would be a huge improvement. Think Dodge's first year here, as well as Morris's first season at SMU.

I know that many of you hate us losing, but every stupid loss we endure is one more nail in the Benford Era coffin--and that's a win, make no mistake about it. This hire was bad from the start and it's gone downward from there, to down right putrid. It's killed the momentum of a program that took a years to build. That's the problem here. It was obvious in Year One and Year Two, yet here we are in Year Four. And the same idiot who brought this guy here will do the hiring for the next guy in the spring, all because 17 very successful businessmen have been given access to the program.

Its all relative--our job isn't garbage because of what we pay and where we are located, compared to a lot of our SBCUSA peers. Its garbage, if you compare it--wrongly, I might add--to P5 schools, just because its apples to oranges. Our history over the last 35 years is pretty much garbage--that has a lot to do with funding, facilities, scheduling, and conference affiliation in that timeframe. But we have rectified the funding part and the facilities, for sure. And the conference affiliation, while not great, is still the best we have ever had for football in the modern era. Scheduling is absolute hot garbage, though, and it affects every part of your program--recruiting to play at home, in today's world, against SMU, Army, FCS spares, and CUSA teams is tough enough, but when UTSA, Rice, and UTEP all play teams at home that are P5s, makes ours even worse. That, to me, would be correctable, with the right AD. So in that reality, our AD is pure garbage compared to any peer, just because his hires absolutely have sucked hugely in the main sports, while the OOC scheduling has been just brutal, considering that we have Apogee and The Super Pit as venues. The UNT head coaching job will be hard, no matter what, but it doesn't qualify as a garbage job. It might be more of a blue collar job, though. You better work hard, sell hard, and look past multiple sins of the university's leadership and its lack of fans. It equates to being a truck driver. You have to just take what you are given, fight all the issues that affect you (traffic, weather, lack of comfort, long hours), and keep your eyes on the task ahead to deliver the goods. Unfortunately, we have had coaches in the past 20 years that lost sight of their main job because all of the "issues" that are inherit with the UNT job became too much to handle and they eventually fell apart. Except for Dodge--he was given keys to the 18-wheeler, even though he was only experienced at driving school buses. Ironically, he was the one coach here that didn't succumb to the "issues" around the job, but failed because he didn't know how to drive the truck. As we like to say, only at UNT...

Willie Fritz will be coaching at a P5 school after Georgia Southern. If not, it will be at UH after Herman gets hired away. Iowa State, for example will pay double or more than we can, just from P5 money. UH is willing to pay double what we can to keep Herman. Kendal Briles is 50/50 to me. He may want to get out from underneath Daddy' shadow, to blaze his own trail, or he may know that he has the Baylor job when Dad retires if he stays as his OC. Its hard to say what Baby Briles thinks right now... In my opinion, Jinks at Tech or Thomsen at ASU probably view the UNT opportunity as big steps up on their career path from where they are right now and both are used to running programs as head coaches, even if it was high school and D-II football. Once you are a head coach, I think its always in your blood to want to lead again, if possible. What RV thinks about this next hire is unknown, other than we know he has said he wants an offensive-minded coach who is not currently a FCS or lower head coach. That doesn't seem that smart to me, but it is what I have come used to with him. I do know this--Kendal Briles better be a tougher SOB than what he appears to be right now. Because the OC job at Baylor, with regards to recruiting players, is far easier than it will be here. Maybe he would be able to make the transition just fine, but the two programs right now are light years apart in just about every way. If he isn't a tough SOB, this job will eat him up if he is thinking his name alone will change things up here. Whoever comes here better come ready to roll up their sleeves and fight hard. And the fans here better be prepared for a couple more years of tough football to endure as the new coach builds up the roster in a way that matches his offense.

This is exactly why we lost confidence in the university...