untjim1995

Hold on a minute...I'm told that A&M loves their team and it doesn't matter who they play, so scheduling a FCS game is just fine, correct? I guess both of us ran into the only two Aggie fans that were willing to give away 4 tickets each for a home game against an opponent that they deemed not worthy enough to go watch in person...weird, huh? Thank goodness, at UNT, we have enough fans just clamoring to get into Apogee that playing Lamar, Bethune Cookman, Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word, Texas Southern, Liberty, Nicholls State, and the greatness of Portland State really pulls in a ton of extra fans to the stadium and creates unbelievable excitement when we beat them 77-3 and doesn't really bother us at all when one of them brings 50 people to our stadium (at best) and annihilates us in the worst college football loss in modern history!!

I'll tell you who took notice of the PSU catastrophic crushing and will use it all day long for years to come--other coaches at G5s around here that we recruit against. When we are recruiting a kid that has interest from SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTSA, and La Tech, the absolute easiest thing to talk about is that our program sucks so bad we set a record for worst loss EVER by a FBS team against a FCS team. Then tell the recruit, his parents, and his high school coach that UNT's overall record in the last 10 years is truly pathetic, with an overall record of probably 34-87 at the end of the year, which covers 4 different head coaches and countless QBs. Our school might not be where we want to be, but we damn sure our farther along than UNT. Recruiting here is about to be harder than it has ever been since Dickey was recruiting kids to come here to play at Fouts in the SBC in 2006. That PSU loss will be the easiest thing to sell to recruits that receive any interest from UNT going forward for this year and probably the next year or two after this. Because it perfectly encapsulates where this program has been allowed to fall to and to be continually led by an inept athletic director, all because the BOR won't dare hurt any chance that anyone in the UNT 17 will pull back their support for RV, I mean UNT...

I've posted this before, but the team to go after for a series of any kind is Oklahoma State. They play TCU here every other year in DFW, but that's it. OU, UT, Arkansas, A&M, Tech, and Baylor all play in DFW at least once a year, sometimes twice a year. But Okie Lite doesn't--and since T. Boone lives close by, he just might be persuaded, since he has seen his OSU Cowboys travel to play UTSA and Central Michigan in back-to-back seasons, plus other road games at FAU, Troy, and ULL in the past. Denton is an easy trip for their team, plus they have tons of alumni here in the DFW area. Even a 2 for 1 would be great. What our fans have to get rid of is the mindset that we have to have 6 home games a year. If a bodybag game is necessary, that only leaves 3 OOC games left. If two of the series are G5s, as in SMU and Army now, then that leaves one game left. buying a spare FCS team is absolutely wasted money in every way imaginable. If you instead, signed a home and home with somebody else, its possible you would only have 5 home games, but if done correctly, you could use the SMU "road" game as justification for only having 5 home games. The problem this year was that you used that situation to bring in Portland State, instead of an actual FBS team. An actual FBS team, again if scheduled correctly, brings in actual fans of their own, as well as maybe even a few extra fans of your own that want to see us play someone above the FCS level. If said FBS team beats you 66-7, instead of an FCS spare that nobody has ever heard of, it probably doesn't garner any attention, other than what its been like when La Tech steam rolls us. But, instead, now going forward, because of this debacle that should have never even been scheduled, we are the owners of "Worst Loss in College Football History". If you sign a 2 for 1 with Okie State, for example, play them in Stillwater on the years you play SMU in Dallas. You play at SMU, at bodybag, and at OSU, plus Army at home and your CUSA schedule. That gets you 5.5 home games and 6.5 road games. Then, the next year, you play SMU an dOSU at home, while traveling to Army and bodybag, plus your CUSA schedule, which gives you 6 home games and 6 road games, while allowing you to keep the easy P5 bodybag $$$ that is needed, as well as giving your fanbase three opponents worth seeing in person in Denton in a 2-year time span. In the end, it really doesn't matter--the FCS games and bodybags are scheduled, as are SMU and Army, for so long out that none of us will see a schedule like that I mentioned. And there are so many fans here that prefer tailgating to actual watching decent football inside Apogee, that a 6-game home schedule every year is a must, even if it means playing Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian. Its all just further proof that the beating of being a UNT fan has pretty much wiped out every bit of reasonable expectation for a FBS program of our size and market.

We have one strength--letting you get experience throwing the ball and experience running the ball so that we can experience chasing you downfield. Our weakness is everything else. Look, we are the worst FBS team in America. Some will get offended byt hat, but its true. We lost to Portland State out of FCS in the worst loss ever by a FBS team to a FCS team, 66-7. It was 66-0 in the 4th quarter before we scored on their walk-ons...at an FCS team...at home in Denton...on our Homecoming. If I were Butch Jones, I would tell my starters that as soon as we get a three-TD lead, you're done for the day, as long as you stay in front by that much or more--basically, you get the day off as soon as you achieve this goal. That will happen sometime around the 7 minute mark in the first quarter, if not sooner. Your backups get the rest of the first half, maybe even half of the third quarter. Your backup's backups get the rest of the game, including walk-ons. I see this one being about a 70-7 game, not even kidding either., if your guys want to get bowl eligible this week and have some kind of motivation. We have no offense at all that can compete with your defensive speed for your first three teams. Our defense is the same. Again, many fans may -1 this, but we will look like a bad FCS team to you guys. Your long-time fans from the 70s will take some comfort in the retribution you are going to get from this game. Even if your guys don't give a damn about this game, they will still win by 7 TDs...

Because we only deal in known costs, not in opportunity costs, when it comes to athletics budgeting. Never have, never will. If it did matter, they would have fired Benford as soon as the attendance averages dropped 33% below the predecessors last season here, instead of him staying here after a 50+% decline. The biggest problem with their view on athletics is that it is literally completely different than every other FBS team in Texas. UTSA and Texas State raise their fees at triple what we did to start, not worrying about that being too much on the students because the state allows it. UTEP, Rice, UH, SMU, UTSA, and Texas State have all hosted P5s as home games since we brought in P5 powerhouse Indiana in 2011. We either don't know how to run a FBS program or we don't want to run one like everyone else does (for whatever reasons). RV's tenure and job security defines this sad fact in a rather pathetically obvious manner. He just does what the BOR demands and gives access to the UNT 17 for $$$. That these 17 people made millions in their lives and have given some of the $$$ away to this place because they believe in RV's vision that has produced a football record of 65-115 in his tenure is one of life's greatest mysteries. These people are smart people, obviously...yet what they accept here from RV would've been fireable if it happened in their businesses. To then have the audacity to threaten to pull away donations if their guy gets fired, knowing the BOR will fall over backwards to meet their demands, is the absolute essence of why North Texas is the shape that it finds itself. We have fans here that are so starved for wins because of this lack of leadership that they were willing to back an interim coach to become the permanent coach because we won a game at home by a TD against an in-state peer who was down to their 4th and 5th string QBs. Its just become too damn embarrassing for many of us to stick with it all anymore. Apathy is the disease. The BOR and administration are the carriers. RV is just a symptom of the virus. But if you get rid of him, its only because you don't want to be sick anymore--a new AD would represent medicine to hopefully cope with the disease until you see IF a cure can ever be found here. But right now, all RV represents to most of the non-UNT 17 fans is more sickness. To get near anything he touches or he attends is becoming too risky for anyone who wants to be healthy.

This. I have never been so rewarded as a UNT fan than I was after seeing that score and realizing that the scheduling of an FCS opponent was what kept me from seeing that debacle in person. I wasn't there in person to see the worst loss in modern college football history--maybe I should thank RV for that, since I made the decision to never attend a game at Apogee that featured a FCS team. If I had seen it, I have a feeling that would have been my last game ever in person at Apogee, instead of it being the WKU game five days later. I won't return to Denton for a game until RV is gone. I am fully prepared for that not to occur within the next decade at this point. And I'm ok with it now. After 25 years, you just have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. It seems like 15 years into this tenure, we all kind of know what we have with a RV-led athletic department. If that is fine with you, congratulations. That's why you are one of 2000 at the Super Pit these days and one of 10000 at Apogee, both on average. Below average is what you are getting--way below average, by the way, for 15 years now. Acceptance is apathy, which is what we have to overcome as the biggest problem at UNT.

Harry, your questions are exactly what need to be answered, no matter when they are being asked. I just think its telling that those questions are having to still even be asked by any of us in 2015. That's why I laughed...

And to piggyback on this, Skip Holtz had solid success at East Carolina before he went to South Florida when they were a power league team in the old Big East. If it weren't for Steve Kragthorpe's health issues, he would be a perfect candidate. Won big time at Tulsa, but couldn't hack it at Louisville when they were a Big East program. That kind of candidate would be awesome. Of course, to RV, that would mean Jeff Bower from Southern Miss.

Your friend needs to reminded that Fry came directly here from SMU in 1973, after being fired. Also, something that occurred in 1973 probably doesn't have much effect on how things will happen in 2015... Spavital might be worth talking to, but it is kind of alarming that his offense has gotten worse with two 5* QBs at the helm, in Kyle Allen and Kyler Murray.

I laughed...

There's just one problem with having had that run-oriented offense--95% of Texas High schools that FBS recruits come from all run some version of the spread. Their QBs throw the ball most of the time. There's a reason we had to go the JUCO route to get a QB to come here the last two years. No Texas HS QB that is any good will even consider coming here with the offense Mac ran. That will change now, most likely, with the next coach running some modicum of a modern offense--and its why I don't believe our starting QB in 2016 is on the roster right now.

Beautifully said, UNT90. But I wouldn't hold your breath on that last question, from a university level...they give RV the ultimatum of running an AD that doesn't get in trouble and doesn't cost the university money. Now that RV has an inner circle that will pay for his "needs", he doesn't have to ask the university for special funding, which is unacceptable. RV has survived a colossal mess, mostly of his own doing. He has it made now. He will leave when he wants to leave. And then come back to enjoy the unveiling of the Rick Villareal Athletic Complex. This year has been so UNT, it isn't even funny. From the SMU opener to last week's prison-raping at La Tech, everything that can go wrong, has gone wrong. If there was ever a season to absolutely clean house within the athletic department, this is it, especially since the buyouts for the coaches were paid by donors. Instead, the donors keep their buddy around or threaten to leave and the university administration absolutely shrugs and walks away so as to not upset the apple cart--a cart that all but about 30 people look at as full of rotten fruit.

We all know that this doesn't even bother anyone at UNT, nor does shrinking attendance. All that matters is the budget that the university is on the hook for, that is known. And all RV has to do is call Power League Programs and schedule us for paydays and the shrinking MGC membership and attendance is wiped away in simple phone call. Even worse, then RV's advocates above him and in his inner circle all come to the rescue and tell us how satisfied they all are with his job performance. We are already all on a hunger strike with UNT Sports--we hunger for wins and for actual programs that are worth following...

I think you'll see that I have many times posted that RV is merely a symptom of the bigger issue--that the BOR doesn't care about winning at revenue sports, just staying within budget. Staying within the budget requires revenue--and the easiest way to do it into today's world is to schedule money games at P5 giants. And RV does that perfectly--he keeps us in budget because he now has 17 boosters that will pay for atrocious contract mistakes he made. The BOR and administration reflect what the UNT Family demands--apathy or downright hate of UNT Sports. They don't care about how losing bothers the 2% that care anything about our program--they just care about the known $$$ getting into the coffers. Known costs/revenues ALWAYS trumps opportunity costs/revenues at UNT from a budgetary standpoint. Its my opinion that until that mindset changes at the BOR and administrative level, thru actual actions, not words, that the apathy that kills this place will continue to dominate. The biggest problem is how much those BOR and administrative figures fear athletics getting more attention. They fear the backlash from the overwhelming number of the UNT Family that wants nothing to do with this--that their jobs would clearly be in jeopardy if they rocked the boat. And they fear that by changing the view toward winning in revenue sports, versus ISD'ing it like we always have, the primary window of the university will forever be changed, just because of the $$$ and people who will influence the university. Unfortunately for guys like me, sports matters a lot more than it should, but it just does. I love watching college football and college basketball, as well as now enjoying college baseball, too. Then I look at how universities that are successful at these sports run their programs and compare it to ours. And it becomes very clear that we don't want to try to do anything that makes us a consistent winner. We just want to offer the teams as an "experience" for college students. That's just the way it is.

Since RV eats Jimmy Johns, could the players stand up to demand his termination?

And all the administration cares about is getting enrollment up, while being a great "value"--this means you get more students to draw fees from to pay for your salary, but it also makes sure that you don't cultivate very many "involved" alumni, many of whom can push influence with $$$ (see UNT 17 and RV, an area the BOR doesn't give a rip about). If you are in the administration, faculty, or on the BOR, the very last thing you want is to have loud-mouthed alumni trying to affect change--that makes your jobs harder. It certainly is that way in Austin, College Station, Lubbock, and Waco. The mindset of the leadership at UNT wants nothing to do with those headaches--they prefer the community college methodology instead--get them here, get them graduated, get them out of here. It is what it is.

Its not just La Tech, either. Its the same at USM, too. Here at UNT, it takes enduring the single worst loss in modern college football history to get the coach fired--4.5 years after getting hired, with 1 good season, and 0 decent recruiting seasons. And the 15-year veteran AD who hired that guy, who also hired the predecessor that goes down record-wise as the worst in school history, as well as the worst college basketball coach in our school's womens program's history, and a guy in mens hoops that is the second worst of all time here, gets to keep his job, select the next football coach, and probably gets to select the next men's basketball coach. There's not a single other school in FBS that allows their athletic department to be led in such a dysfunctional fashion...hell, there are ISDs that have higher standards for athletic success than we have. And knowing that won't change anytime soon is just completely disgusting. And people wonder why apathy gets so accepted here. We don't give you an acceptable alternative--its either enjoy losing or go away. Either way, we don't care what you choose. We just know that enrollment is high and will get higher as the years progress, so you are easy to replace.

Unless you were a buddy's son...then you just lived in the penthouse--even if you couldn't play QB on any other FBS roster in America. I was talking to a buddy who went to Iowa and he told me that the Hawkeyes offered McNulty preferred walk-on status--as a DB.

Tennessee can name the score here. We won't score more than 10 points, they won't score less than 50. It really won't surprise me if this is a Portland State style ass-kicking. The really crazy part is that this is the first time we have scheduled P5 giant in a smart way--later in the season, when SEC schools that are out of the division race will often get beat or have a dogfight on their hands. Unfortunately, we had this on the schedule in a year we also scheduled another P5 giant that is awesome in Iowa, with no bye week, and our worst team since the early Dodge years at least, if not since we moved back up to FBS in 1995.

We probably will at some point in the next 6 months, unless he does something that you can't--make the NCAAs or the NIT in 2016. But if RV can get Benford an extension (and himself), he will do it. I always assumed that it would take Benford getting us an invite to a postseason tournament that doesn't require a buy-in for him to get an extension. Sadly, after all of the mess with football and the fact that the AD is staying around, it wouldn't surprise me at all if just finishing above .500 gets him a 2 year extension, just because of the buyouts we have paid to Petersen and McCarney already. At UNT, after 25 years of watching how things go in Denton when it comes to our revenue sports, absolutely nothing surprises me anymore. A Benford extension, at this point, seems possible, and if it does happen, it would be the cherry on the top of the turd sundae we have dealt with in the last 5 years around here.

I think that the realization of the situation is that the roster is pitifully low on talent and has shown it will quit when things get tough. Throw in the fact that a new coach's offensive strategy SHOULD be 180 degrees different from what has been run here in the Mac era and those very low-ranked recruiting classes now have to get plugged into an offense they aren't familiar with or aren't a fit for. Then, the biggest factor in all of this is that the new coach will get handpicked by the worst AD in America with a fanbase that has significantly dropped in numbers in the last couple of years out of pure frustration. We may improve some next year, assuming a new coach brings in enthusiasm and the schedule is not as dreadful as this year's has been in its setup, but we could really be facing a reality of 2-3 wins next year being very possible. Will it be better than this year, which is probably a 1 win season? Yes, but its even possible we don't even get any better next year, record-wise, too. Look at Kansas--they fired Charlie Weis last year and finished 3-9. They brought in David Beaty and kept Clint Bowen for some consistency, yet they are 0-9 and will almost definitely go 0-12 this year. That's because they have no decent QB, no depth, and not much speed or size. That sounds familiar to me... Its going to take years to get this turned around here. You may think that it can happen at other places, so why not here, but the reality is that what SMU looks like this year after getting rid of June Jones will probably resemble what the next coach here will deal with--except SMU has an AD that is not the worst in the country. We will always have the fact that teams like UTSA and UTEP aren't running laps around us, nor are SMU or Army, so they are four teams that we have some chance to beat, plus the FCS spare we host. Assuming that we play the same Eastern CUSA teams again next season, maybe MUTS is beatable here. So that is 6 games against teams that look to be possible to beat in 2016. If we win half of those (3 are at home, 3 on the road), that gets you to 3-9. Right now, with all that we have to deal with, that would show some solid improvement. For that to occur, it will be completely on the new coach to find a QB for his offense--and I don't believe that guy is currently on this roster right now. All QBs but Damarcus Smith will probably leave here, and I suspect Damarcus will be the backup QB to a new QB here, since he will be a senior, IIRC. That new QB could be transfer from another FBS school, it could be yet another JUCO QB again, or it could absolutely be a freshman that is straight out of high school. That's just the reality of how bad our collection of current QBs are right now.

"Don't care--get easy $$$$ with one simple phone call to keep the BOR happy"--RV

but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon...

who do you like as the candidates we should go after?

out of curiosity, why aren't you a fan of his? Did you not like the job he did at ACU when he built them up from the ashes? Do you not like his resume as an assistant coach at P5 ASU?