untjim1995

yep--just gotta find the right leadership....should be simple, with our illustrious history.

It's too bad that UH won't be able to be a p5 school. Just no need for that market to get gobbled up by the Big Xii or SEC. Great program, great facility now, and great tradition--they'll challenge to be the best G5 program when they have a great coach like they do now.

I didn't know that Lee Jackson was in a cartoon overlooking the university's athletic corpse...

See my answer above...they have made it clear that RV is their guy. It doesn't matter what you or I do as donors now or what we would do IF we were big donors. All that matters at UNT is that 17 people have made it clear to the BOR that RV is not to be removed. Smatresk, whether he cares or not about RV as President, isn't gonna be able to make a change there. So he gets to pick another football coach and another basketball coach to hire as replacements for his failed hires that will have gotten fired in the last 12 months (includes womens hoops). Nowhere else would this be acceptable with one of the worst attendance figures for your main money sport in the 15th year of your tenure...nowhere but North F'ing Texas.

I want to see that coach who looks at the previous 21 years of suck around here and decides, "Yeah, I'll go there for a three-year contract." If you find that coach, I'd be the first to tell him that he was a colossal dumbass for accepting that deal. Those other P5 programs you mentioned don't have the worst program in America right now. They are giving coordinators a shot because they know the current players and are willing to see if they can keep it going. If not, they'll buy them out on the spot. At a school like ours, that basically offers football because they feel like they have to (like we are an ISD), with the worst AD in the country, whoever comes here is going to need 3 years just to try and build us up to something NEAR .500 because of how far down we are right now. Guaranteeing that coach 5 years of salary, knowing that there are folks out there who have proven they will buyout a contract over $2 million dollars when necessary, gives me pause for thinking its acceptable. Think of it in these terms, FFR. Would you come here to coach, with RV as your boss, with a 3-year contract, at a place that is 65-118 under said AD's "leadership and vision"? Especially when almost every other G5 job offers 5 years? Agents aren't stupid--they know that their job is to get the best deal for their client. And any of the guys we are talking about can get solid money at a top level P5 job as a coordinator at these large public schools until a job opens up that will give them the terms they want--and none of them are the worst program in America right now. Hell, Cumbie going to UT would get paid damn near what Meacham will probably make here as the HC. Offer what can be bought out--and the UNT 17 have already proven they will do just that. Surely they wouldn't start being hypocritical NOW about losing in a revenue sport that they are funding and basically controlling with RV as their puppet?

The UNT 17 moniker came directly from Flyonthewall, who said that there weren't a dozen big donors running things, it was 17, to be exact. You can start there...but it will be a colossal waste of your time. They like the access to the program that RV gives them. They have convinced themselves that being close to RV is exactly same thing as their UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, TCU, and SMU buddies that either brag about knowing their ADs personally. Fly, in particular, said that this started for him when he and his wife decided they were tired of being embarrassed in their circle of friends when college athletics got brought up, so he decided to buy his place within the ADs inner circle to help influence the direction of the program. HE COMPLETELY BUYS INTO RV"S VISION!!! So do the others, who don't have any interest in admitting they got swindled on their investment, nor do they want to mingle with the 99% of the fanbase that contribute under them. RV cares ONLY about these guys--they buy him time because they buy out his dumbass hires, which keeps the BOR happy because the university doesn't have to buy the contracts out and it keep us in budget. You don't get to be a Great Value by staying out of budget...

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with you completely that we will still have a football team, one that will be playing at a G5 level for years to come. My question is at what point do you look at our situation and just realize that it isn't one we can succeed at? 21 seasons, 4 coaches, 3 conferences, 2 stadiums, and pathetically amazing, just 2 ADs have all added up to 4 winning seasons, 17 losing season, 84 wins and 166 losses in football alone, a .336 clip. That's damn good if you're a baseball hitter, otherwise it just plain sucks something huge if you're anything else. I guess the reality is that UNT has the chance to show us that this can get turned around, that 2013-type seasons can occur here again, without being an outlier to the other 9 seasons around it. I personally don't believe it can happen, though, with RV as the AD. Maybe the BOR replaces him with somebody totally worse--its UNT, we can always do worse--but the losing culture and fan apathy is the worst its been in 20 years for our revenue sports. When one guy is the constant over that time in leading the athletic department, that goes much higher than just the AD. It runs straight up to the Chancellor and BOR and the culture of the students and faculty. And its my opinion that athletic apathy won't change here unless the BOR decides to do something about it, which literally means putting their jobs at jeopardy with a community that has made it overwhelmingly clear that they don't care about or want athletics at UNT to be a bigger deal than it is right now.

I don't care how long it is--3 years, 5 years, or 7 years...just buy the damn thing out like you just did with McCarney when it becomes obvious that the guy isn't going to turn things around. I'll say something great about the UNT 17--they proved that they won't let buyouts get in the way anymore, like we always did before when we only had the university funding things. So, from that point, going forward, they have made it clear that there won't be anymore Bumfords or Todd Dodges drawing checks for an extra year or two beyond when they should. Because otherwise, it would just look rather hypocritical to not accept Mac's failure, while continuing to accept the failures of coaches like we have endured for most of the last 20 years. If you cannot buy it out, don't offer it...

At some point, don't you have to wonder if maybe this level of athletics just isn't the place for us? One good season in football in the last 11 years. 4 winning seasons in 21 years. Today, we are the worst FBS team in America and have almost the lowest average in attendance for FBS schools. Texas State got more people to a game than we did, for crying out loud!! They play SBC nobodies and they drew better than we did. If you won't change the person in charge of that program for the last 15 years, where we have sucked for most of them, how can you expect anything to be different at this level? And for those that think I'm advocating a drop down in levels, I'm not at all--I'm just questioning if we can truly turn this around here for more than a year, particularly with the culture that allows RV to stay as the AD. I can honestly say that I don't think its possible with the current leadership and attitude of the personnel in charge at the BOR, administration, AD, and his circle of BMDs. I want us to be a great football program, just like everyone else here does, but at some point, don't you have to look at the fact that we have been just about awful since we moved up to FBS in 1995? We have two wins over Texas Tech, a win over Baylor, a win over Cincy, a win over UNLV, and a win over Rice when they won CUSA in 2013. Sure, we had some other solid wins--two over Ball State, a couple over SMU, and a win over Tulsa--in those 2 decades, but we have also suffered the worst loss in modern college football history against Portland State, 66-7. Our attendance is horrible, our record is terrible, and our fundraising is pathetic--and that is sadly compared to SBCUSA schools now. And with all of that to look at and absorb, the leaders around here look at it and clearly say, "RV, great job, buddy!!"

And Lamar!!

Silver, what say you about this glorious part of our history?

Craig Helwig sucked as an AD, but he runs loops around RV when it came to getting one decent OOC game at Fouts, usually. We opened seasons in Denton at Fouts, in front of 19K or more (which was HUGE by Fouts standards back then), for games against UNLV, Baylor, and TCU, not to mention Texas Tech at Texas Stadium twice. Compare that with paying for season tickets at Apogee to watch Portland State, Nicholls State, Texas Southern, and Bethune Cookman.

Will he allow his interim OC to fight a fan in the stands at halftime of their bowl game without getting a wrist-slap?

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Amber Alerts might be necessary to find some of our oldtimers again...last seen, walking out of Apogee/Super Pit, muttering to themselves, while a large, mustachioed man was walking behind them, screaming about a "vision"...If seen, call the UNT 17 immediately-- so that they can get their buddy some legal representation.

Why not just wear non-logo gear? If I go to a UT game or an A&M game with my buddies, I just wear a neutral color shirt. I don't care who it is, when a fan wears the apparel of a team not playing, it looks very, very strange...I'm always amazed when I watch the Texas-OU game on TV every year and see the random Aggie Fan with his 12th man jersey on. The fan may think it makes him look extremely loyal to his school, but in reality, to the rest of the world, it screams many bad things I don't wish to post on this website...

So, since we averaged over 13k in attendance at a school with three times that in student enrollment alone, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of alumni, as well as the millions in the DFW area, when does the anti-stadium crowd begin ranting about how much of a waste it was to spend $78 million dollars on a stadium that is paid for on the students' backs? They can easily argue that Fouts handled our crowds and opponents with plenty of room to spare. Apogee is a god-send, no doubt. But I've always wondered how the 98% of the UNT Family that doesn't care about our football team or absolutely loathes it don't bitch and moan to the highest points in Denton about what a colossal waste of money this was in the face of the ineptness we have shown. What would be deliciously ironic is if they bitched so much that it led to the firing of the chancellor and the AD who were in charge when it got passed, two people who have allowed our program to fall apart.

Meacham would be a solid pick. Jinks and Littrell have more upside and downside, IMO, than Meacham, at this point. Chambers shouldn't even be mentioned with the other three--but the schadenfreude that the CUSA West foes would have if RV hired him would be off the charts. There's a reason that the UTSA poster on here suggested that our win over UTSA this season might be worth it for them, in the end, since it means that RV gets to stay. Its never a good thing whan a rival openly asks that you keep your AD or head coach during dismal seasons...

I advocated this earlier this year, and I realize he may not want to leave his current gig, but I'd take Jordan Case as our next AD in a heartbeat. Guy bleeds green, knows how to deal with people with money, and can relate to players and coaches because of his playing days. But RV isn't going anywhere, so its just a pipedream.

I truly believe that Smatresk likes athletics--but he cannot remove RV as the AD because of the BOR and the UNT17. And the university President has to focus on so much other stuff, this isn't worth his political capital to burn thru with the BOR and administration, knowing it will probably cost him something of value, if not his job. Look, it is what it is. RV won here, folks. He rubbed the right BOR elbows and insulated himself with 17 very wealthy people who basically fund the program above what the BOR will do. I think the university lost in all of this, but that's not how they feel, since its about known costs and revenue streams, instead of opportunity costs/revenues lost. I'm just waiting for the RV PR announcement that the sections of Apogee and the Super Pit get named after the members of the BOR and the UNT17.

Lots of truth here...

I thought this Navy-UH game told us just how far away the best of the G5s are from us, the worst team in FBS. Guys, those two teams are light years ahead of us right now. Thankfully, we play two of the absolute dregs of FBS, SMU and Army, next season in OOC. I'm forever grateful to UTSA for starting their 4th and 5th string QBs when they came to town and lost to us by a TD in the 4th quarter. I pray we never see an 0-Fer season, because the two 1 win seasons we have endured in the last 8 have been amazingly awful. Speaking of which, since 2005, our program has had two one win seasons now, three two win seasons, two three win seasons, two four win seasons, a five win season, and a nine win season. If you wonder why TCU fans and many others think this is a dead-end job, it's because that span covers 4 head coaches in those 11 seasons, with a cumulative record of 36-97... thats what the new guy gets to jump head first into with the recruits, coaches, and parents, as well as what's left of this fanbase...and we haven't mentioned the idiot AD yet. Folks, it's gonna take a lot of time.

Tech fans are awful...the worst in these parts by miles. Baylor fans are the dumbest. Texas and SMU are the most arrogant... A&M has the most delusional fanbase in that they think they are better at football than they ever are. And UNT has the most apathetic fanbase in this region. But that's because they are smart enough to either see or figure out the BS they are fed by the powers that be to leave and follow someone else. That's actually pretty effing smart, if you ask me.

I've always said that the UNT 17 would have their own personalized sections at Apogee and at The Super Pit...today, apparently was buy one section, get two free...

I truly hope hope for the sake of the current fans, that the next coach is one you all will support. I think that will be very important and he will definitely need plenty of time to get this thing turned around...probably three years at a minimum, to be honest. That's how bad it is here right now. When you are the worst team in the FBS, you don't turn around in a year--see SMU this season. For me, I'll root for UNT from a distance, hoping the new coach can help the program improve in every aspect needed right now. But the AD getting to keep his job and make this hire just was my line in the sand. Maybe when RV retires, dies, or just finally quits, I will feel differently, but it's just too hard to spend the money and time on this with a family to raise, only to see bottom 20 results with no consequences for leading that losing for 15 years. It's just beyond depressing. But as I said, I just hope that the new coach is well-received by those that RV hasn't run off yet. If he isn't, he has no chance of rebuilding this into a .500 or better program eventually.