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Hell, Todd Dodge was our 2nd foray into hiring a HS coach to take over our program. The first one, Dennis Parker, failed miserably at the I-aa level for us...so we went ahead and hired that failed HS coach's OC from those days to come here and take over the program. Either we have no idea how to run an effective college football program or we have no interest in running an effective program...

Schmidt sounds like he could be the lead candidate to replace RV as the AD here if/when he retires/dies...

Go ahead and make it three years, instead... Best avatar on this site...

It does for Quinn, but it doesn't for Chico and Mac...if Shanbour can throw a ball downfield more than three yards away from the LOS to one of actual receivers, he's already better than almost anyone we have had in the last few seasons. If Morris gets hurt, its a very real probability we don't win more than a game all season long.

This is what I believe sums up the job as head football coach here at UNT. Can you win here? Well, yeah, we have had 4 winning seasons here, including three in a row from 2002-2004, since we moved up to FBS in 1995. In that span, though, we are 84-166, a winning percentage of .336. That covers 5 head football coaches (Simon, Dickey, Dodge, Mac, and Chico) and only two ADs (Helwig from 95-01, and RV ever since), as well as three different conferences and two different home stadiums. And in that span, we have seasons of 5 wins in three other seasons. So the question becomes, when you look at actual results, for 21 seasons, one-third of the time we have finished with 5 wins or more, can you have a realistic and attainable belief here in building a consistent winner against your current conference mates in today's game? To say yes, is ignoring history, location, and support by fans. Homers can believe anything, but realistically, it goes against every fiber of the last 20+ years, not even counting FCS, to believe this place can ever be a consistent winner. Now, Littrell has a great pedigree and he gets his chance to prove this wrong. But its gonna take recruiting at a level that has very rarely been seen here, from Dickey's stealth class in 2000 to Dodge's recruiting of offensive talent. Littrell has a huge job and pay upgrade somewhere else if he gets this thing up to even .500 in the next three years, since we are so far under the ground right now as a program. But, if not, he's gonna be gone in three to four years, never to be a head coach again in college--just like Simon, Dickey, Dodge, and McCarney.

I don't believe that we can get any lower in the eyes of UNT alumni and other Texas citizens--the Portland State fiasco is rock bottom, unless Butt Cookman beats us worse. We are already ignored and laughed at when the subject of UNT Football or basketball is brought up, which is honestly not very much at all outside of Denton County.

I guess we see just how much sway the DRC has on the UNT 17 and the UNT leadership... Best editorial ever about UNT Sports in any DFW media, as well as the most up-voted post in GMG.com history. And it didn't even matter one iota...ladies and gents, your UNT 17 Mean Green!!

The biggest problem with the UNT 17 buying off the athletics department and keeping their puppet in charge is that the BOR and administration literally don't care. They have wiped their hands clean of it, basically said, "Finally!!", and have moved on to working towards UNT-Dallas, UNT-Frisco, and keeping us at a "value". Rick Villareal ain't leaving here anytime soon...he will be the AD until he retires or dies.

So, basically, our AD is on par with one at a FCS school...shocker.

Those students won't protest to get rid of the athletic director...they will protest to get rid of the athletic fee. If that fee ever gets voted on again in a different referendum to get rid of it, you can kiss FBS UNT football officially goodbye. All but about a few percent of the student body and alumni either don't care about UNT sports or openly loathe it. They won't continue to go quietly along with this if we keep posting more 3 or less wins in a season, especially with "announced" crowds that don't even average half of the capacity. Eventually, if we don't start winning consistently, as in more than just one winning season in 10+, those anti-athletic voices are going to be ready to pounce on this. This will be year 5 of Apogee, yet we host teams and crowds that Fouts in its decrepit state could EASILY host. It will be so unbelievably ironic if Lee Jackson somehow was forced to resign for being the chancellor at the time that this fee was placed on the students. Incredibly large and embarrassing accounting fiasco on your watch? Yep, here in Denton, you get an extension. Never paid a damn bit of attention to athletics nor acted as if you even care about it, but somehow, miraculously, a SGA member stealthily runs a campaign that passes to place an athletics fee on students to build a new stadium, on your watch? Yep, your ass is canned, Dallas Lee...unless he actually tells the truth and admits he hates the fee tremendously.

as he throws yet another interception that resembled a wounded duck, all while his happy feet dance as if he is walking on hot coals...

Morris probably will be, but he is surrounded by almost no talent, playing in an offense that is polar opposite to what they have run under Mac, and has no one behind him that should be playing QB at this level, at least for now. Maybe by next year, under Littrell's tutelage, that will change with the QBs here now. But this year is going to be rough--as in we may not win more than we did last year. Butt Cookman is the only game we will be favored to win, looking at it right now. Just hoping we beat UTS Aagain, since they are also going thru tons of upheaval down there and it was awesome to finally beat them this past season as our only win.

Well, they did commit an egregious violation--they beat a power conference school in basketball, MSU. They will probably get crushed by the NCAA now. BTW, Kermit Davis is pretty good at getting hit with NCAA violations, so I don't feel too sorry for them if it does happen.

That's a solid hire by WKU. Stansbury was a good coach at Miss. State and will do a good job at WKU.

RV will probably get another extension for being able to tell the BOR that he made the important decision to get rid of the Dodges because they were a threat to our university's safety...

I still want to see tickets sold in sections that are named after the UNT 17, RV, and the BOR members. "Look, Benford's family is sitting in Ernie's section...section F...as in that's all we can give this department a grade of..." "And these right here are the David Anderson Floor Seats...that looks like its only available to customers who bought into the vision of hardwood floors, but instead were sold laminate flooring that supposedly looks like hardwood, but they deny its laminate or refuse to even acknowledge that they may have gotten completely ripped off. Fortunately, by taking this stance, you get free tickets to UNT games and 'access' to visionary discussions on all things flooring." "And then there's the Rick Villareal sections. Yes, I said sections. See when we win a tough game over Sul Ross State by two points, you can move to this section so as to be seen by dozens of other people to celebrate such a historic victory that RV himself scheduled. However, when we find ourselves losing to an incredibly difficult team, such as Samford, who plays up so highly when they get invited to our prestigious pre-season tournament in Denton, you can sit in the other RV section, which is actually in the tunnel to go to the locker rooms, allowing you to give Tony Benford and his crew handshakes and hugs as they leave the Super Pit court after a very tough loss to a highly respected national power. It gives you the ability to get to your car even quicker to get home and allows RV to get to his post-game Jimmy John's sandwich so that he can get some nourishment." "You are probably wondering why the top sections of the Super Pit are named after the BOR members, where nobody has sat in years for a game. Well, its because the BOR members requested that their names to be only loosely connected to athletics and that the unused seats in these sections are supposed to emulate the amount of time and energy they want to spend in even caring about UNT sports. However, Lee Jackson has requested his section to be for the Mean Green Brigade's Basketball Pep Band. After all, its a great value section and they can make sure that those poor music kids can get to enjoy playing their instruments for thousands less than their compadres at other universities in Texas. At least until he can get UNT-Dallas up and running and finally get to just leave Denton behind for good."

Me, too...

Chumley represents everything you could possibly try to define about a Dan McCarney view of playing QB in his offensive scheme. Tall, probably can hand the ball off decently, and can throw the ball no further than 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Amos Alonzo Stagg thinks that offensive gameplan is bland and boring...

I agree completely--but I'm just thinking from a UNT 17/RV perspective, not anything else. Benford getting two extra seasons after this won't surprise me at all. I think he only gets replaced if he has a losing record before the CUSA Tournament and cannot get to .500 after a game or two. He will be not cost a lot to the budget--as in not requiring a raise--but gives the leadership a few years of known costs for their budgets.

North Texas voted to disband football in the early 70s. North Texas chose to go down to I-aa in 1983 for 12 years and only went back up because they realized they could make more money from being a bought opponent from bigger college football teams as I-A member than as a I-aa team. If the student body chooses to challenge the current path that they have been given to follow at UNT, its not going to be the first time. And it certainly won't be because some posters on a website vented about worries that have occurred COMPLETELY because of the accepted ineptitude of our approach to revenue sports. At this point, the embarrassment that UNT has provided to us from athletics does far more damage to our degree. People can gripe about poor priorities, but many people rate a school on how they do within athletics to help support fundraising, research, and other academic endeavors. Is it right that they do that? Of course not. But its a very real issue and those of us with a UNT degree that meet other people who follow college sports either laugh at us, act as if we don't exist, or have no idea we even play at the level we do.

UNT does go all in... with music and being a "value' to build up enrollment.

Here's a question for you all--What does Benford have to do to get extended here after next year? Is a .500 season enough to get him extended for a couple of years at his current pay? I'd guess that is what you are looking at here. If Benford can be kept around for the same money, keeping the budget unchanged, without using up any BOR or UNT 17 money, as well as RV getting an automatic extension for a revenue coach getting renewed, that should all happen with a .500 season going into the CUSA Tournament. RV ain't going anywhere anytime soon. And he knows Benford represents his next chance to get an automatic extension granted from his contract. Folks, your UNT 17 Mean Green...

Laughter...nothing but pure hilarity at this ineptitude being accepted and continued... UNT'd

Then it would be nice if that was conveyed to the one beat writer that covers the team...

Uh oh... UNT90 was already talking about how the students are going to eventually question this athletic fee at UNT with no results and very little interest. This will just add some fuel to that fire...if that fee gets up for a repeal vote, that sucker is gone...and so is FBS football at North Texas, literally. If that fee goes away, Apogee becomes the finest FCS stadium in the country. This is what losing does. It makes people who care about sports walk away and it makes people who don't like sports even angrier that they are having to pay for them when they don't care. Eventually, you either turn it around or you're gonna have to pay the piper. We've seen it before here and the program almost died in the early 70s and in the I-aa debacle. If you don't win, you don't get support, financially or thru attendance. If you don't get support, you get lots of voices that get louder and louder to drop the sport, either down a level or two or outright.