untjim1995

I applaud you for your use of your time and money. Your family will enjoy you being around and you will enjoy not being in a bad mood after some shellacking against a team that you truly believe we should be able to compete against. And not seeing the Sweater vest will be good for your blood pressure, especially when he is clinging to the UNT 17 all game long, letting everyone know that he isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.

Do they cover Mexia?? That's what we need, IIRC...

and Army!! So thankful we built a new stadium to host these two powerhouses (from 50 years ago), since there is no way that Fouts could handle hosting teams like this in its decrepit, toilet bowl state...oh wait!!

Oozing = Sleeping Giant Potential + UNT under RV as in oozing fans out the door. Snoozing will also be accepted as an alternative answer, as in the AD is snoozing on the job.

UTSA is running one of these with LSU here in Texas, correct? A&M and Tulane partnering up makes sense to me, for both parties. UTSA and Tulane are looking for 2 star kids that will tag along with the 3-5* kids going to these camps. Plus, if one of those higher rated kids decides that the big school they go to doesn't fit as well as they thought, then guess how benefits? Tulane and UTSA getting in the door for a transfer. If I were at UNT and I knew these camps were happening, I'd call up Bob Stoops right now and partner up with him on Texas/Oklahoma camps. Littrell's OU ties and the fact that Stoops has sent players here would seem to make this a nice combo.

There's no question about this, but if OU and KU leave, that league is done, even if UT is still there because of their insistence on keeping the LHN. But the only league that has a lot of room to expand is the Pac, since it has 12 members. Everyone else is at 14 currently, with an eye at 16. I believe that 18 may very well be an even better number down the road, since it would give you 8 division games, 1 game against the other division, and 3 OOC games, plus a conference championship game with a much smaller chance of it being between two teams that met in the regular season. UT has a lot of options without the LHN, but they lose control of the league they join. With the LHN, they have no league to join. So the Big XII is completely ideal for them. But if there is no OU or KU, they lose their fellow bellweather college football program and the premier basketball team in their league. At that point, the LHN's $15 million per year may be enough to convince them to stick with it until the contract runs out with ESPN in 2031. I still think the Big XII will fall apart sooner rather than later. I could see the Kan-Okla-Tex public schools (6) to go the Pac, giving them a division of those 6 + CU and the Arizona schools. I could see the B1G add 4 more ACC schools, such as Ga Tech, FSU, UNC, and UVa. The SEC would add NC State, Va Tech, WVU, and Miami. The ACC would then add Cincy, UConn, Baylor, TCU, UH, Memphis, Temple, Iowa State, UCF, USF, and East Carolina.to join Duke, WF, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, and Clemson. ND, BYU, Army, and Navy would be your independents still, with possible playoff slots available to them The MWC would pick up SMU, UTEP, Rice, Tulsa, Tulane, and UTSA to join their 12, which will have no playoff slots available, but would have a BCS bowl game slot. The rest--the MAC, CUSA, and the SBC--will be permanently lowered to the new I-aa. At that point, the SBC and CUSA realign into conferences with closer travel and is inclusive of top tier FCS programs, as well as seeing top FCS leagues like the Big Sky and the Southern Conference join the ranks.

Here's the even more sad part about this from our perspective--MUTS will be competitive with and probably win at least once in that series with Ole Miss. If we scheduled a team like Ole Miss right now, with two games in Oxford, one in Denton, and one in Dallas, there is no way we would come close to even winning one of those. But thank God we kept Tony Benford for a 5th season!! I'm sure that he will finally get it figured out enough this upcoming year to earn he and his boss a well-earned contract extension!!

If they go independent, right off the bat, they will have games scheduled with the following teams--Tech, OU, Baylor, TCU, Rice, BYU, and ND. Then they will have 5 games to schedule, of which three will be bought homes games from FCS and lower G5s. If the Big XII implodes before the LHN expires, which is most likely, independence, even for a short amount of time, will be their best hand. They get to keep the LHN money, they can avoid any lawsuits that Baylor, Tech, and TCU would bring against them because they are going to be still on the schedule and not a member of another conference, like A&M was when they joined the SWC, and they can then join whatever conference they choose later without any baggage (Baylor and TCU not acceptable to the Pac, Tech not being acceptable to the B1G).

I think you have now seen enough proof as to why we tried telling you so many years ago that you will come to realize just how much more you will care about winning in football or basketball than the university does. I remember feeling the same way in the late 90s and throughout the 00's, always wondering why older alumni would never come around for a game and just didn't care one iota about our teams. But it was prime examples like promoting an April 23rd Spring Game on May 14th that served as a perfect description of "Only at North Texas"...

5 Non-Conference Games Conference USA Better Take Very, Very Seriously Conference USA teams will get ample opportunities to make splashes at the expense of Power 5 programs, as is always the case in September. However, on the way to cashing big checks and swinging for the fences, league members must avoid getting tripped up in the following winnable out-of-conference pairings. 1. Akron at Marshall, Sept. 17 2. Troy at Southern Miss, Sept. 17 3. Louisiana Tech at Massachusetts, Oct. 15 4. Army at UTEP, Sept. 17 5. Bethune-Cookman at North Texas, Sept. 10 http://campusinsiders.com/news/conferenc...05-13-2016 When you lose by 59 points at home to a FCS team on your homecoming and see your coach get fired, this is the type of view you receive by the media and fans. We are looked at as being very beatable by an FCS team by those that follow our program. Thanks RV...

We will probably be the favorite in our game against Butt Cookman. Everyone else will be favored against us, as they should be. We are considered #128 for a reason. I know that nobody likes to admit that, but it doesn't make it any less true. SMU being favored by around 2 TDs is probably right, when you factor in that they beat us by 18 at their place and the home field advantage at Apogee is probably worth about 6 points or so. Morris will use this game like Kragthorpe did at Tulsa when they played us--a regional team that beating them badly will only help their recruiting.

It'll depend on when they become an FCS program...see incarnate word.

I think a lot of posters here look at UH and think we should be equals with them in football or basketball, just because we are both large, public universities that serve the two largest metro areas in the state. But that cannot be more false. UH has focused on athletics for its primary window to their school--Yeoman's Veer Offense of the 70s and 80s that turned them into a power that kicked butt in the SWC when they finally got admitted in 1976, Phi Slama Jamma was a national phenomenon, Elvin Hayes and UH beat Lew Alcindor and UCLA on national TV in the Astrodome, and then you've got the recent success under Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman, which has gotten bigger and better with each coach. Their alumni that give back do so because of the athletic pride the school has delivered to their degree value in Houston and in the state. Our primary windows have always been music and the arts, as well as cheap cost of attendance. Those windows don't deliver $$$ back to your university, but they do allow for your school to provide a lot of job security when thousands attend every year out of convenience and low cost. It just boils down to the philosophy of the leadership of your university. One felt that athletics was a better way to go because their students and alumni wanted it that way. The other felt the exact opposite, which is what the overwhelming number of its alumni and students prefer. None of this should be all that surprising as to how it has played out...

You can't pay the bills here with that approach. The AD has made it clear that we will always have one bodybag game (to pay the bills) and one FCS game, which is often the equivalent of a Denton HS team (see Nicholls St), along with a home game each year against SMU or Army. Only way we start off 4-0 in any year is to have the bodybag game after that first month.

In contrast, we are keeping Tony Benford to coach a 5th year here because we can't afford to buyout his $325k salary in his contract year...ODU has played one season as a FBS program...we just finished our 21st season back at the FBS level, with the same AD for the last 15 years. How anyone can defend this, or even support this, is just mind-boggling to me.

It is what it is... Some posters love the idea of getting to watch us play at home against such giant draws like Texas Southern, Nicholls State, Portland State, Butt Cookman, Incarnate Word, Lamar, and Abilene Christian, since it gives them an excuse to tailgate and watch the beloved Mean Green play in front of thousands of empty sections. It is what it is... Some trust the AD to get us 6 home games a year, since we have a brand new stadium, yet in five seasons, we have had two years where we played 5 home games, with the one OOC game being a FCS team. And the only way we get to 6 now is to have a FCS spare come here, including one that just violated us in such awful fashion that we may not recover from that embarrassment for years to come. Don't worry, though, I'm sure that won't happen ever again... It is what it is... RV will be here as long as the UNT 17 will keep him around. And, apparently, the "access" he gives them is all they require of him to be their manager of their acquisition. And when he does retire/die, he will get memorialized with the athletic department being named after him in his honor. It is what it is...

Whoever did this will probably earn a promotion...which, ironically, is the only promotion that anyone in the AD knows anything about.

They don't have much of a choice but to kiss up to Texas, just because they don't bring much of a market with them and their academic pedigree isn't bad, but it's not great either (not an AAU member). The school with UT balls in their mouth is Tech. Talk about being desperate...Tech is hoping that they can keep riding those coattails into the Pac sunset. If not, they will get to join New Mexico as old Border Conference rivals in the MWC. Tech's problem isn't UT appreciating their "love", its the fact that everyone else sees them as a STD-ridden joke that would never get into the club without the powerful date (UT) they are trying to weld themselves to. Tech thinks UT will marry them, but UT has a wandering eye...and they know that Tech is an STD-infested piece, but they just can't unload her just yet.

Sadly, you are dead-on about the Dickster. He sucked as a communicator, glad-handler, and as pitch man for your university. His offensive gameplan was the pure definition of boring, eliciting the funniest cheer of all-time by a bunch of UNT fans at a game that was very winnable at TCU--"Throw the Ball!! Throw the Ball!!", since we basically ran the ball up the middle every down of the game just to get it over with, even though we were only losing 13-3 going into the 4th quarter. But, amazingly, got some great recruits by our standards to come here and play at a toilet bowl in a toilet conference, and he got some solid results. How those results cannot be exceeded is just beyond most sports fans, but it hasn't even been close. I guess that's why we have the Darrell Dickey Practice Fields here, when he left here with a 42-66 record...so you are right, until then, and I cannot believe I am typing this, Darrell Dickey's tenure represents the best we can do until proven otherwise. I thought Dan McCarney's 2013 team would springboard this thing, but his lack of new recruiting in his first 4 years on the job killed that from happening. So the Dickster's reign as best football coach at UNT since we moved back up in 1995 to FBS still stands.

I've been saying this for awhile. The Big XII is just the SW version of the old Big East. In time, the best parts will get bought off, leaving behind leftovers that cannot keep enough prestige to make it a power league anymore. It will be another version of the AAC or MWC and those three leagues will still stay at the level of play that can be allowed to play the power conferences in OOC and get a spot in a non-playoff BCS bowl. That will completely protect the biggest schools from government intervention or punitive damages because they will say they still allow these schools to compete and its up to those leagues to determine if another school can get admitted into their leagues. We blew our chances a long time ago. Even if you don't want to blame it completely on allowing the program to fall back down to I-aa in 1983 for 12 years, the fact that we brought our program back up to I-A in 1995 only because we could make more money from the whore games and we kept our budget woefully low, causing us to continually play in our toilet bowl of a stadium was the death knell of the program's chances at FBS legitimacy. From 1995 until 2008, SMU literally sucked ass at football...and we couldn't do one thing to move up above them in the eyes of the sports media or college football fans. It was there for the taking and we blew it, allowing SMU to STILL be able to dictate what conference affiliation we could and couldn't be a part of. If we jump over them, as we should have, the MWC takes us when TCU leaves. Or we move up to the now AAC before they did. Instead, they go into CUSA and block us from ever having any chance of joining a league with teams that people have heard of over the years, keeping us in the dreg of FBS, the SBC, until the Big East calls them to join their league with everyone else that we always wanted to join with in what is know the AAC. Now, we move up to SBC 2.0, and the league just isn't good enough to garner any mention or interest in being like the AAC or MWC anymore.

I love baseball. Its my favorite professional sport, by a lot. I enjoy college baseball when the postseason begins and its on TV regularly enough to watch it when things really matter. And I think it is just crazy for us to even consider baseball being added here anytime soon. We suck so bad in every revenue sport right now that I cannot even fathom how truly awful we would be at baseball here. We don't draw well to the popular sports, how in the world are we gonna get people here for a baseball game, especially when RV hires his next spare that leads us to 5-28 record? We can't even afford to buy out the last year of a horrible basketball coach in his 5th season as a loser, all because it costs $325k. We have already shown everyone what moving up in a revenue sport when you aren't financially ready to do so (see football in1995). What should be done is that football gets an indoor facility that can be used by the other nonrevenue sports, as well (i.e. track and field and soccer). We need to have "buyout fund" setup for never allowing the Benford situation to ever happen again. Then, and only then, if the football program and hoops programs can bring in more funds, that's when I would work on starting up baseball with a legitimate stadium being ready for our first season and having a legitimate college coach already hired two years ahead of time to get the program up and running. Otherwise, you are setting up for failure at a sport that does cost money to have, money we obviously don't have or just won't spend.

Can we just try to be like La Tech, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, or ULL? I mean, these guys all win fairly often as lower G5 programs like we are without the violations. Hell, seeing Benford in that picture just makes me want to have a basketball program that can compete year-in and year-out with freaking UTA...and realizing we can't even get over that curb-level hurdle with this guy, who gets a 5th year to spare everyone else to death...

That Portland State loss will sting for awhile. Homecoming is the one time (game) that gets some long lost folks to wander back to Denton for a weekend game. Its why the attendance for that game is usually better than the other spares on the schedule we play at home. There are a lot of people who will not attend another UNT football game for years after that embarrassment. You don't receive the worst loss in modern college football history and not suffer even more repercussions--the attendance will be down this year, and last year saw us average 13k at the 30k seat Apogee Stadium. Littrell was a very solid hire, IMO, but he has zero name recognition to most fans, so its not like people will flock to Denton to see how he's gonna do here as a coach. I figure SMU will be a good crowd--because Dentonites turn out for former SWC teams--so I'd expect the crowd to be around 23k or so. But the other games probably won't touch 18k. The big key for any changes to be made here regarding RV is actually pretty simple--it'll take the UNT 17 losing a few donors and blaming it on RV's incompetence. Otherwise, he's gonna be here for a while. The only way the BOR allows RV to leave is if he does something criminal (not in the eyes of the remaining fans, but to the police) and he is too smart for that to lose the easiest AD job (by miles) in America.

Obviously, Rice in CUSA and Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU from the AAC would all be higher on this list, as well. That would put us at 10th of 14 teams in CUSA and ahead of only Texas State in the G5 Texas schools... And, rather clearly, the MWC and AAC are showing that they are a cut or two above the rest of us in the G5. Its why I think those two leagues will get to stay at the FBS level when the future culling occurs again in the years to come. The rest of us will combine with the top end of FCS and form a new I-aa.

UNT 17 Puppet...or maybe he's the UNT 17 Puppeteer (mind blown)