untjim1995

You are absolutely right that we could surprise people, but there's a reason we are rated where we are. People understand the situation here. All I have been trying to say is that we shouldn't get down on Littrell or the program if we see a 2 win season in 2016. I think Littrell has a real chance of turning this thing around in the next few years. I want him to be the guy that gets a job at a bigger name because of success he has here. I just don't think that the schedule in the upcoming year, with a brand new offensive philosophy that is completely the opposite of what we have run in the previous 5 years, and a roster that is still void of a lot of developed FBS talent equals a big season. I'm telling you right now that if we win 4 or more games this season, Seth Littrell's time in Denton may not even make it beyond the next season--that is how fast his star could rise here, if he gets to bowl eligibility by Year 2. The schools above us our going to be salivating over him being their next head coach.

But its either because of capacity or because of suckitude. Kansas State proved that if you can turn things around, people will come watch and support you--but its a lot easier to do that when you have Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, and the other Big 8 powers of the day playing at your place every other week.

Just now seeing this...absolutely impressive!! Awesome job to the staff!! This is how recruiting to a place with playing time should be sold--if you can beat those two Power Teams for a top JUCO kid, you can beat anybody for recruits. Keep up the great work, staff!! As I've said many times, its wins like this that are the most important victories for our program this year. It makes the talent bse of the roster get where we need it to be in the years to come.

Yes, in college, his pure athletic ability and size just put him above the crowd most of the time in his last two seasons. Vince Young is not a smart individual, though. Once the physical abilities got evened out in the NFL, his days of getting up after big hits was pretty much over. But his two Rose Bowls at Texas were things of beauty. He's a Texas legend and always should be. As MGT said, one of the best college players of all-time...

Absolutely--but my point is that we won't know if he is a failure after this year, even if we go winless. The roster he has to work with is the reason we are rated 126-128 in two recent rankings. 2018 is the season I will continue to point to--SL will be in his third year, should have a QB that knows his system, recruiting will hopefully have improved, and our schedule should be much easier, just off of the CUSA East possibilities. This is where I see getting 7+ wins and challenging for a CUSA West Championship as being feasible. Our home schedule in 2018 would be SMU, FCS, La Tech, Southern Miss, UAB and one of these CUSA East spares (Old Dominion, Charlotte, FAU, or FIU). Add in games at Army, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, CUSA East spare listed above, and at the bodybag, you can see that if a third year coach hasn't gotten us competitive enough to get 7 wins against this collection of teams, it probably isn't in the cards for us to make it much further as a FBS program.

If he takes this roster and wins 3-4 games this season against this schedule, Seth (Or Seat if you work for the AD) won't be coaching here beyond three years. Hell, Morris at SMU gets al kinds of kudos and is always mentioned as a candidate at bigger jobs and he led SMU to two ins last year in his first season following the 1-11 disaster the year before. I think SMU will win 3-4 games this season, just like USM did under Todd Monken in 2014 in his second season there. Winning 1-2 games in their coaches first year laid the foundation and it really sped up for USM after that, while yet to be seen for SMU, but by all accounts, it looks promising. I'm sure that they had a fan that thought Monken sucked afte rhis first two years of taking over a disaster at USM, since winning 4 games in two seasons after taking over a winless team from the previous coach means ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS was made as it would certainly mean that was acceptable. Fortunately, Monken overcame that fan by winning 9 games and earning a CUSA West Championship. If we are really, really lucky, Seth (or Seat) will be able to say the same thing here...that only starts by improving recruiting substantially from where it has been since the Dodge years.

Just remember, though, even though we are dead-ass last on this list and #126 on another, and coming off a season where we won a miracle game to avoid being winless, as well as adding a brand new head coach and an offense that is completely the opposite of anything this roster has ever run in college, us only winning 2 games against a very difficult schedule for our current situation means absolutely no progress is being made-- because progress means acceptance...and unless we go .500 or better, this year has been unacceptably wasted. (according to a regular poster on here...)

He and that Geoff Ketchum are two of the dumbest reporters I have ever read---they try to say they are professional journalists, but they are just fans turned money makers for Texas fans. I read on a Texas Longhorn Fan website a few years ago that it could be argued that no person has hurt Texas Football more than Geoff Ketchum. He's the Rivals ranking specialist for the state--and just happens to run a newsletter and website that charges for content. Naturally, any Texas recruit got super reviews and higher ratings than others. Guys like Gilbert and Swoopes, both of whom he rated as 5* QBs, as well as so many others, that get inflated because Texas wanted them, then got to campus and couldn't play at this level. Both of those guys are just tools...

If Chip Brown says that the Big XII isn't expanding, we should see an announcement pretty soon that two more teams will be added soon. Dude has an uncanny ability to be dead-ass wrong about stuff like this. Still my favorite was his tweet in 2011that A&M was absolutely not going to the SEC...two days before they announced they were going to the SEC. He has a record like this and it amazes me how many sports journalists still use his stuff.

I really couldn't remember, but that does ring a bell now that you mention it.

No it isn't...your ability to critically think needs to improve greatly...so does your posting

I would love it if we had done that, but it appears that UH never has had much interest in associating with us since the 70's, when their program made it into the SWC Country Club and ours didn't. We have played them three times since 1977 in football, all UH wins, two of which were in Denton, ironically. I believe we played UH a few times in basketball when I was in school my freshman and sophomore years in 1991 and 1992, but I don't remember playing them since. Its very odd--they have basically pigeon-holed us into a Texas State and UTSA type grouping. Don't know how much SMU's influence has played into this, but I have to figure that it hasn't helped.

I hate Tony Benford as a head coach at UNT and want him gone ASAP. But if we cannot afford to do it because we canned Rick Villareal and it means he has to coach one more season under a new AD, I'll accept that. RV created this Benford mess. Because he didn't address this, he deserved what happened. And if means we have to laugh at the ineptness that is Tony Benford's coaching for one more season so that we can go out and hire a real AD and an experienced HC, it will be the proverbial one step backwards to move forward two steps.

Its just so damn sad that we are amongst the 2% of UNT's Family that get this. I just don't understand how little interest our football program has ever been given by the university or the town for the last 50 years, which doesn't even count for the loads of people who actually loathe the existence of UNT football, much less that its FBS. All one has to do is look at the SWC teams in Texas, as well as UTEP, Tulsa, La Tech, and others who didn't get stuck at the I-aa level for years to see what a difference it has made. Yet, we have stuck to exact opposite viewpoint for so long from the large majority, which is damn near unanimous.

Fair enough. The rest of the college football world disagrees with you when comparing our situation, but its cool you are going against the grain. There's a big difference, young Ben, between "progress" and "acceptability"...not once have I said that 2 wins should be considered acceptable. I just think that it will show progress from a season ago, when we were coached by Metamucil McCarney, with QBs that couldn't start at a decent FCS school, while watching us get bent over a barrel in front of a Homecoming crowd and gladly take it from a FCS nobody in the form of a 59 point prison raping, and only won a game because of miraculous circumstances.

That's true--it is for all sports, so that cost is definitely lower if you go to hoops games. Obviously, very, very few people attend a non-revenue sport, so I won't count those, but you are exactly right about basketball for men and women.

I understand your post now. Yeah, that was the only way out of Fouts' press box. He was just a sorry guy, IMO. He should have been fired on the spot for that, or at least suspended after the game, at a bare minimum. But, nope, nothing wrong with that behavior, not to the Dickster, who openly hated the fans, especially the MFers here from gmg.com, the only group of people who followed his teams all the way thru his tenure here.

If a student takes 30 hours a year, his $11 per hour athletics fee will cost $330 per year. For a 6 home game season, that cost a student $55 per game, not including any concessions or other stuff. $55 a game--for this collection of opponents the last two years: SMU, Nicholls State, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, Portland State, Rice, Western Kentucky, UTEP, and UTSA. In the coming seasons ahead, we get the CUSA West teams here, plus SMU and Army, Butt Cookman and Lamar, and CUSA East teams Marshall, Middle Tennessee, with the possibilities of games Charlotte, Od Dominion, and Alabama-Birmingham playing here. There's no way that a student is getting value for this group, especially when we have won exactly 5 games in the last two seasons and probably won't win more than two games this upcoming year. If we are still talking about having won less than 15 games total between 2014-2018, this fee is gonna be contested in some form or fashion. Its not going to keep on in its current fashion with absolute nothing to show for this. We don't like football enough around here to continue this--its unsustainable.

When you are one of the three worst teams in the country--we are considered to be the 126th best FBS team for 2016, ahead of ULM and UMass--progress is getting better. For us, on the scoreboard front, last year we miraculously won a game. In reality, we should have been 0-12. If we win 2 games next year, its doubling up what we did last year. BTW, SMU did the exact same thing last year, winning 2 games after winning one the year before. And everyone talks about the improvement that SMU saw last year from Morris' first season of being in charge. Now, this season, college football experts believe that SMU can become a team that gets to 4-6 wins. IOW, everyone else looked at them as having some major progress from where June Jones left them. Similar to what Todd Monken did at USM, in winning one game his first season after taking over a winless team. These two teams are what we have to hope to emulate...

If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle... UTEP clearly was a bad team--to even be in a game with us last year proves that. But a lot of that was do to it being the last game of the season and playing on the weekend of Turkey Day, the game that absolutely matters the least to anyone associated with bad teams. This year, those two awful teams, UTEP and UTSA, are road games. I cannot remember the last time we won a game on the road in the state of Texas--probably Tech in Lubbock in 1999. I'm just praying we can beat one of the UT-satellite campuses. If we do that, along with a win over Butt Cookman, we can all say we have seen MAJOR progress from last year's disaster. We have five winnable games next year--SMU, Butt Cookman, @Army, @UTSA, and @UTEP. I think we get the Butt Cookman game and win one of the road games, probably UTSA.

Here's a crazy thought...oh, I don't know...maybe ignore the fans yelling at you and DO YOUR JOB by getting to locker room as soon as possible. There is nothing good from yelling back at a fan, much less confronting him in a f2f match.

I do think DallasGreen's point about us charging half of what the state allows for a university to charge for an athletics fee, which is what UTSA and Texas State charge, and probably near what UTEP charges, is fair. But I also look at it from the standpoint of the students and their parents who chose UNT because of the university's own use of advertising of charging less or because it was the creative heartbeat of the state and I view it as the reality that what we charge is actually right. We don't need to charging only $3-$7 per semester hours for athletics, but we don't need to go up to $20 either. What I look at is this. If we cannot make our program a place that can attract alumni dollars and fans attention, no amount we charge the students will fix this. Its the biggest reason that I think that if we cannot turn this thing around in football within the next 4-5 years, that student fee will get redone in some fashion, whether eliminated or reduced by complaining students and parents, as well as the anti-athletics crowd in the faculty, administration, and within Denton. You cannot charge people for something they don't want for very long...eventually, they will catch on. Either the fee will get rolled back somewhat or some other university will step in to take advantage of it. I have to imagine that UTA and UTD can easily use this fee against us when looking at attracting the "value" student--and that "value" student is who UNT has traditionally depended on and went hard after.

Oh I remember...while sitting with the TCU fans who graciously brought my wife and I to the game in their seats on the TCU side. I laughed--as did the other TCU fans around us. I'll never forget how hard our defense played that day. We literally kept LaDanian Tomlinson completely in check--he may have gotten a 100 yards, but barely. We were losing by 10 points, 13-3, in going into the 4th quarter. We scored our FG in the 2nd quarter on a fake punt that got us into TCU territory--the only time we got there. We literally never threw the ball, so the crowd finally started the famous chant. It was as big of a giveup as the Dickster ever showed us--we literally handed the ball off every down just to run out the clock. I believe we finally lost that game like 23-3, but it was so there for the taking. And, IIRC, this was the same season that you and few hearty fans watched us beat NMSU at Fouts in the last game of the year. And when I saw a few hearty fans, I'm thinking there were almost 250 of you in the stands for a Division 1-A football game.

If Butt Cookman beats us, it is the absolute worst thing that can happen...because it means we probably go 0-12 or 1-11 again and that we are still bottoming out as a program. If we cannot match last season's win total, we aren't improving at all. We may have won a game last year, but anyone with a brain recognizes that this was the flukiest win we could get--playing a bad team at home with their 4th and 5th string QBs and scoring a late 4th qtr TD to win. Butt Cookman will be the only game we are favored in this year. Its the only way possible in a game this season for Seth Littrell to let us down with this collection of players he has inherited. If we go 1-11, which is very possible, he will get excused for it just because everyone but the green-colored glasses-wearing crowd know that we have one of the worst teams in the country. Personally, if Littrell wins 2 games this year with this bunch, I'll know we are on the right path. But if we lose to Butt Cookman at home and go winless or win one fluky game again, all it will tell me is that we still have no idea if Littrell can turn this thing around. 2016 continues to be all about wins in the recruiting battles. Much bigger and more important challenges than any game we play this year. We simply cannot get better if we are still recruiting classes that are rated in the bottom quartile of the G5s.

Oldguystudent, they are appallingly close...and I mean sleepy-time draw plays or bubble screens on third and 10...