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That article is so disheartening and it basically tells you why the next AD hire will, in my opinion, watch over this program either successfully staying at the FBS level or getting relegated down to a lower,level of play, this time permanently. That's because the university's leadership allowed RV and his bunch of lazy status-quo cohorts to run this thing so poorly for so long. Hank can bitch about attendance, but we were promised better teams for OOC play with a new stadium. Teams like Iowa and Minnesota were mentioned as the types of teams we could attract to Denton with a new stadium. Well, it got us Indiana in the first year of the stadium, followed by Texas Southen, Idaho, Ball State, SMU, Nicholls State, Portland State, and now Butt Cookman, Army, Lamar, Incarnate Word, and Abilene Christian to follow. We basically built a stadium to keep the program alive, but not alive enough to stay competitive at the FBS high-level G5 status, like those in the AAC and MWC. At this point, it's hard to imagine us playing at anything above the current lower-level G5s, unless the new AD can fix stuff here that hasn't been fixed in forever, which is convincing UNT's Family to support its football and basketball programs. That is about as daunting of a task as you can find in all of college sports. How do you change 50 years of apathy and get support for something that is openly loathed by so many attached to the school? That answer is more than just "winning" around here.

I'll let you presume what you want...I'm still watching my family and friends grieve a loss of two people from a Muslim man who decided to power over innocent people. The groups you mentioned before haven't done that to anyone in my lifetime. If that is racist to you, not sure that it's worth arguing anything with you.

Littrell has to clean the thing out. This bunch quit on the university and gave us the ignominious glory of suffering the worst loss in modern college history. As Drex said, turnover is natural with a coaching change. It was absolutely necessary here. We are trying to dig out of the biggest hole in our program's post I-aa existence, at least since Fry took over in the early 70s. Just try to realize this when you are watching games this season. Littrell may not be the long term answer, but even if he goes 0-12--and it's VERY possible--we really won't know at all if he is a bust because of how bad things are here and the fact that his offense is 180 degrees different from what the entire roster was recruited to play in. Only game we should win is Butt Cookman--and that may very well be close because of our low scholarship player totals on the roster.

Unbelievably stupid post.

Yes, we live in Prosper and Brodie carpooled with my son before they moved away to Austin. Let me tell you something--if anyone thinks it's an easy thing to explain to a 10 year old who ISIS is and how they just helped kill an old friend yesterday and watching him cry in his mom's arms, I've got news for you...you're dead-ass wrong. Thats our new world, folks. Crumbling right in front of us and nothing stopping it from going at full speed.

Well, in his defense, when you can't get decent HS recruits to come here because you have sucked for the better part of 20+ years as a FBS program, and you are brand new to being a head coach, JUCOs don't look too bad as an option to go after. But that's what he should have known what he was up against when he took the job here.

We have to remember that Littrell is still trying to fix the character of this program and get rid of players who won't get on board with fixing this thing. I suspect that the way we saw so many quit on our university during the Portland State fiasco is being addressed with so many guys being gone. It's gonna hurt a lot today, but we just have to hope he can fix this program during his tenure here by taking lumps now and instilling a mindset to build or upon both in the locker room and on the field.

It's the mountain of dogshit that McCarney left us in...this thing has very little size or depth, much less speed. If we win 3 games or more, Littrell will have really proved what a great hire we hope he will be.

We were told by one poster on here that 2 wins would be absolutely unacceptable in 2016...even though ever single media outlet so far has us ranked anywhere from 123-128 in FBS. Don't judge this season on wins and losses on the field...only in recruiting

This is exactly what I think, too...just don't see how this is going to get better until Littrell can get in scholarship players here that fit his system. This year is a pure throw away on the field--we might not even get two wins. Most media outlets don't think we will. We are considered one of the three worst teams in FBS for a reason. McCarney and company left us with no talent...the hole we are in is at least double what Dodge and Dickey left is in, combined... 2016 is all about wins in the recruiting battles. 2017 is where we look to compete with other G5 teams. 2018 is where we hope to compete for a bowl berth and division championship. 2019 is Littrell's make it or break it Year if we haven gone bowling yet...

Our prayers are with you, Emmitt...and all of the other cops who do their job the right way everyday...

For those of you who weren't around for the Dodge years, his offense took no time off the clock, bogged down in the red zone, and saw our defense get clobbered. The spread offense is great if you have superior athletes at QB, WR, and RB who can make things happen in open space. But it's only as useful as the defense that has to play 40 minutes of a 60 minute game because the ToP is so out of whack. Our defense is gonna have to get more speed and more size up front for this to work. Otherwise, the spread looks more Dodge-like or Hal Mumme @ NMSU-like without defensive playmakers to get them the ball again.

This. If Littrell gets us to 4 wins this season, he will have done something miraculous. To me, I see one game we will be favored in and that is butt cookman. Maybe we beat SMU, ARMY, UTSA or UTEP, but it's hard to see us winning more than one of them. Seriously, we go 2-10 and double last year's miraculous win total of 1--and it was a miracle--nobody better complain about Littrell being a disappointment. He is literally trying to dig us out from under a gigantic pile of manure left behind by RV, Mac, and Chico.

Sounds like Georgia got caught by the NCAA doing something, so Georgia Southern gotta pay...

The thing is that the dysfunction isn't only relegated to the RV years. It's what has been allowed to be the status quo for decades in Denton when it comes to supporting UNT sports. Getting rid of RV was necessary from just a morale standpoint, as evidenced by sparse crowds at Apogee and the Super Pit. But that apathy that just crushes this place, is so thick, that it's just hard to see how it's gonna ever change. It sure as hell isnt changing from beating SMU, Army, or SBCUSA schools. It's gonna take a massive win over a P5 AND a winning season to attract fans and money. But we scheduled so bad and for so long out that there's little chance of winning one of those p5 games on the road, so it's probably why we will look back on this last decade and realize that this is when FBS football at UNT fell apart. And it happened because nobody cared beyond the hearty few that still hang around here today. Apathy caused this, RV was merely the virus carrier...

Not much teams like Marshall, WKU, La Tech, of USM can do in Today's college landscape. They have no TV market to sell, so their value gets greatly diminished, even if they are way better programs than schools like us, UTEP, UTSA, the F_Us, or MUTS, all of whom provide huge TV markets, if they could somehow win and gain a foothold in those markets.

Unbelievable how our fanbase was gladly sold SMU and Army as being premier OOC opponents to bring to Apogee...when both were easily hosted by us at Fouts... SMH

Craig Miller could probably relate to more UNT Alumni than Hank or Jub ever could...there are far more alums who have adopted a P5 giant as "their" team even though their degree is from UNT. Maybe Craig Miller could tap into that crowd...

See, to me, the fans have pretty much walked away already. If Hank gets the job, they, like me, will just stay away. Not because Hank is a bad guy, but because we have to get better people in this AD and they aren't in Denton right now. At this point, to get many of us back, the university needs to hire outside of He current AD staff. They need to hire someone who didn't come from an attendance juggernaut, but rather someone who has to understand that the UNT/Denton community don't like or have any major connection to our football program. Our problems are systemic and come from leadership and influences far above the AD when it comes to apathy and accepted losing. The next AD needs a fresh start and has to even see if there are enough people to get interested in our sports around here.

This upcoming season will be about nothing else other than finding scholarship players for the next few seasons from the TX HS ranks and Jucos. Our talent level and size are woeful. McCarney left this thing in a bigger hole than Dickey and Dodge did combined. It's gonna take years to dig out from, even if we were playing a crap CUSA schedule. We aren't. We get the three best CUSA East teams, plus the two teams we can compete with in CUSA West (UTEP and UTSA) are both on the road, where we rarely win. Getting to two wins will be very challenging, no matter what some others think on this website. This season, wins in the homes, fieldhouses, and locker rooms of recruits will be the victories we need to dig out of this mess by 2018. This year is the throw away, while next year should be about competing against fellow G5 programs. Then, 2018 should be when we should hope to be competing for a CUSA West Championship and a bow berth, especially when we get to play three teams in the CUSA East that are ODU, Charlotte, and the F_Us...

We don't have a fractured fanbase...we have a fractured university when it comes to supporting athletics. If the university supports winning as its major purpose for revenue sports, the fanbase will be there. But not doing anything to convince anyone with a brain that winning matters here will never move the needle here to grow the fanbase. But if they change course on this and make winning a top priority, then they have to fight the old guard in Denton and at UNT that want nothing to do with athletics at all. It's an incredibly difficult spot to be in.

Because we basically crushed the football program in the 80s and 90s when the college football landscape completely changed...

Especially if that caller ID showed the call was coming from the evil, racist suburbs of DFW...

That priority may have buried our chances of ever being considered as anything more than a low level G5 program. If we had followed up 2013 with a decent season and an increase in attendance, even still being in CUSA would have our name out there as a program that the MWC or AAC might want one day. Instead, we fall apart in 2014, keep falling in 2015 to the point where they both caused us to get crushed in the worst loss in modern college football history, and finish in just horrific shape, all while the rest of college football keeps looking forward. It's possible that the McCarney/Todd Dodge combo has insured our place in college football's landscape.

In other breaking news, it appears that we need oxygen to breathe...