untjim1995

I am right there with you. The other night, I had a function at the Dave and Busters in Frisco. You know, Frisco, the town where we have a branch starting called UNT-Frisco? There, inside the area across from the bar, on the walls, they have all of the pro teams in DFW listed, as well as the following colleges: UT, A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, Baylor, TCU, and SMU. We are simply viewed as a music/fine arts/educator's/place-to-get-a-value-degree by most of the Metroplex. That is why you place emphasis on sports to advertise your school--it brings in eyeballs and dollars for the ENTIRE school. How everybody else knows this and we either don't know or just flat out won't accept it is mind-boggling. And we wonder how Apathy can ever be defeated here...

Seth is going to be here for quite a while...he could go 0-12 this year and still coach next year. But thankfully, the precedent has been set from McCarney's firing that we will no longer allow a buyout of more than a year keep us from firing a coach.

Man, you are about to get welcomed into a new reality... That 1-11 season in 2015 was only a 1 and not a zero because UTSA had to play its 5th string QB in the second half of a game here that we scored a late TD to win. You'll learn over time that 5 win seasons are about as good as it usually gets around here. Since 1995, when we moved up to this level of play again, we have won more than 6 games 4 times and 5 games 4 times. Every other season since 1995, a total of 22 seasons, we have won 4 games or less 14 times. That includes two seasons with 1 win, five seasons with 2 wins, four seasons with 3 wins, and three seasons with 4 wins. That covers 3 ADs, 6 head coaches, 3 conferences, and 2 stadiums. We just want victories of any style at this point--I don't care if they are moral or real...

Look at UNT90. Even those that follow the program and invest in it usually find themselves eventually growing so tired of the losing and apathy that they give up and find another P5 team to follow and adopt as their own. And when they tell people that they follow their new team even though they graduated from UNT, the people around don't give them grief for it, but rather just acknowledge that as pretty normal. Its what happens when you play revenue sports and make the first priority be to bring in known money instead of trying to win and bring in unknown funds.

But the F_Us will actually get hit hard the first time by NCAA sanctions, unlike Miami...

This tells you all you need to know about the roster still being inexperienced at playing in this spread offense. You either have new HS kids learning on the fly or college kids who played under McCarney who were used to running the very difficult route known as the bubble screen on 3rd down... That this thing won 5 games last year still amazes me.

You're point is true, but I will correct to quickly point out that there is NO way we have 300k fans in DFW--maybe 300k alumni/students there, but no more than 2% give a damn about this stuff. Otherwise, we would sell out Apogee every once in a while or we would have had 60k or more at the Cotton Bowl for our HoD Bowls.

Since 2005, we have 41 wins and 104 losses, with one winning season out of 11, spanning 5 head coaches. I'd almost be willing to sell my Mean Green Arms and Legs for us to just be mediocre going forward...

I feel bad for you on this. You've literally never seen good UNT QB play here. Average is the ceiling for what you've seen. Fine is better than Morris, McNulty, Greer, Damarcus Smith, Dajon Williams, Quinn Shanbour, Caleb Chumley, Isadore, and any other QB we have had on this roster since 2014. And Derek Thompson was the QB before that for two years, so again, average has been your ceiling for watching UNT QBs. It is what it is. Until legitimate FBS caliber QBs want to come here and both play AND go to class, this is what the situation will continue to be. You're gonna have to watch us take short QBs, taller QBs with slow feet or less than strong/accurate arms, or QBs from JUCOs that always seem to have questions/concerns. That pretty much covers up almost every QB we have had other than Gio Vizza in the last 10 years.

We are really ranked 48th out of the 65 G5s (not including BYU).... Until we can get above the top half of the G5s, we are still spinning our wheels. We are always going to be looked at as a regional body bag opponent for the p5s

That UTEP game was the last game and their seniors played all out, while we didn't come close to matching that intensity. Hoping it's a learning moment for SL from his first year as a head coach. But those last games of seasons can be crazy. Our worst team in forever barely lost to UTEP to end the 2015 year, partly because UTEP didn't care at all and we let every spare QB play that day and it cost us a win.

I bet they would haven't said it last year, either. Coaches and players are SUPPOSED to believe this...otherwise, you get Portland State results every week.

I think the main reason that Texas College Football at this level has regressed the way it has--to where we had zero teams ranked at the end of the year--is due to the 7-on-7 craze and the spread offenses run at TX High schools. They don't practice enough hitting or for tackling. The best athletes are skilled offensive guys. And it translates upward. Nobody in the Big XII plays any defense these days, even TCU who has a coach who built his name on it. UT could, but their prima donna players didn't want to play as hard as was needed and their offense was pretty much the worst in the conference. A&M is the same on defense, as well as the AAC and CUSA schools. These TX FBS coaches just ask the defense to get a couple of stops and hope they score every time--see Art Briles, Kliff Kingsbury, etc... I think the DL and the entire defense that SL has is gonna be asked to pretty much do the same thing--just get enough stops to keep us in the game.

Its why this game could be used to bring in somebody other than an FCS spare for our scheduling, so that even when we would have 5 home games, this game serves as basically a very close 6th game for UNT fans to get to easily. You could have a setup of @SMU, @bodybag, @ BYU (for example), and a home game against Army/UH/Memphis in the odd years, then follow that up with SMU and BYU at home and a roadtrip to Army/UH in the even years to join the bodybag game. FCS games offer THIS program (not others, but this one) absolutely nothing right now. It boggles my mind that our previous AD was gifted Apogee by the UNT students (under UNTFlyer's leadership) and he rewarded us with games against Texas Southern, Nicholls State, Portland State, Bethune-Cookman, Lamar, Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word, Houston Baptist, and Rhode Island...he couldn't even get the two FCS schools in Texas that might actually bring people to the stadium to watch us play SFA or SHSU. Poor Wren Baker got stuck with a schedule that is basically a hand of high cards, while the other CUSA West teams are holding OOC schedules of pairs, three-of-a-kind, and straights...it sure helps their recruiting, particularly UTSA's.

That UAB ranking is just one reason most people think they will be absolutely terrible this season.

I would imagine that Tulsa will be in on him...

DMac just seemed to lose it...I'm sure the stroke had something to do with it, but the frustration of not being able to have recruits come to us instead of fighting for them every year just drained him. I'll say it again, but we haven't had someone that publically optimistic about UNT Football since Hayden Fry was here. For three eyars, it looked like it was all coming together, too, even though recruiting still sucked. But when 2013's season ended in the HoD Bowl win over UNLV, we got absolutely no bounce--the fans didn't care enough to buy season tickets after the best season we had in over a decade, maybe longer, and even worse, TX HS Coaches and recruits didn't care as we got no bump upward. Then in 2014, we regressed backwards at QB and our recruiting class was dead-ass last in the FBS. Why recruiting here is so impossibly hard is frustrating, but I get why it is this way. History of apathy has been just terrible to the program's reputation and we don't play people that get recruits' attention like it does at other similar G5s. Except for Dodge, with his great HS reputation to get skilled offensive players here, and Dickey getting a few gems that he managed to convince to come here in a few classes, this place has royally sucked at the recruiting game since 1995 when we moved back up. I'm still at the point of only believing that recruiting can be fixed here when I actually see it get fixed here with a few solid classes at the top quartile of G5s (P5s aren't a reasonable comparison, IMO). Otherwise, its the toughest part of being the UNT Football Coach.

Not sure why that thread got closed, but I predict the Ponies go 7-5. That home schedule is very winnable. SFA, us, Arky State, UConn, Tulsa, UCF, and Tulane. Athlon predicts them to go 7-5, as well.

That wasn't the question...Do you LIKE your job??//Greggo Still the funniest bit of radio I've ever listened to in my life...

I totally agree with you. We would have to have some tremendous offensive success and his reputation as being a Leach disciple would gain traction amongst the Power Conference Coaching ranks.

It also speaks volumes about the previous staff's inability to identify QBs for this level of play. Connor Means couldn't get playing time as a QB here against the worst collection of QBs that we have had here in my almost 30 years of following the program. And he now plays Linebacker--in his upperclassmen years...my goodness, Dan McCarney just fell apart after he was here for 3 years on the job. Couldn't get recruits to come here like he thought he would be able to after three years and just left us with a roster that was so poorly rated, its damn miraculous that SL turned it into 5 wins in his first year.

I think Graham Harrell's upward projector for his career (if I happens) would be one of the following: 1.) Becomes OC for Leach or some disciple of Leach's coaching tree who is at a bigger school (think OU) 2.) Becomes a Head Coach at a lower level school in Texas (SFA, SHSU, ACU, etc...) if we have success in the coming years ahead... 3.) Littrell has big time success here and is gone within the next couple of years and Harrell gets rewarded with a chance here.

I agree on Dickey. He already has his name on practice fields that is due to being held hostage for a donation by a very disgruntled fan. He had three winning seasons in 9 tries. His personality was less charming than the Fouts piss wall. 42-64...I just don't think he should have a Hall of Fame entry and have the practice fields named after him. If for nothing else, maybe this will allow us to offer the naming rights up for bid again or name it after someone who actually won here, like, oh, I don't know, maybe somebody like Hayden Fry...before he dies, it might be nice to honor the best coach we ever had.

Yes, that was the opening drive of the game and of Darrell Dickey's career as a head coach...

And this was after my HS in Ft. Worth went a salty 3-27 in my last three years there, where we beat the same team, Paschal, each year, then lost to the rest.