untjim1995

Speaking of identity, what handle did you used to use on here?

For obvious reasons...it got played about a million times on Saturday night

All I'm saying is that I didn't expect us to win down there--I've been adamant about that all along--and that they are way better than us still. We played bad, like we were too tight, probably because the entire team heard nothing all week but that SMU is our rival and we gotta beat them, while SMU looked like they were playing SFA again, loose and calm, even when down 10 points. SL looked like a coach who is still learning on the job, which he is after coaching one season and one game before this one. Hopefully, he and the staff will learn from this. But I doubt seriously its gonna change anything for NSD in 2018. At this point, the earliest that could even show any kind of improvement would be at least on NSD in 2019, but most likely, it would take a winning season this year and next year for us to make an improvement on NSD for 2020. Its just the sad reality of the situation. Legit talent, while being offered by other FBS schools, is choosing those other FBS schools over us, fairly regularly and easily. Until we hire some big name coach, unless we start going into the darker side of recruiting, or until SL can build up a resume that get the attention of TX HS Coaches and parents, the status quo is that we are near the bottom of recruiting totem pole still, until proved otherwise. Yep, that's what I'm not for on this board...sugarcoating. Our program sucks hard usually. Having a high paid coach, playing in a great stadium, and in a better conference hasn't changed any of this yet. Will it? That's what we want, but I haven't seen it yet, except for 2013's dream season (by our standards). Losing at SMU isn't surprising to me. Being at the bottom of recruiting doesn't surprise me. That ain't sugarcoating...that's reality

Hello exception, glad to see you around...

We learned that a large amount of people here thought we should be able to beat a team with much better talent and a much higher paid coach and staff at their place just because we bring a lot of people to their stadium...

It certainly appears to be an all white school...#notameltingpot

The ones with money to spare--48 The ones wanting some money--20

Just remember that after June Jones got fired, SMU went out and paid Chad Morris, who was already the highest paid assistant in the country, as well as having been a former Texas HS Head Coach at Bay City, Stephenville, and Lake Travis. They paid him $2 million dollars to become their head coach. Why? Because they knew that combining their cash and private school degree/name recognition with Chad Morris' coaching pedigree and his connections to Texas HS Coaches SHOULD payoff bigtime for everyone involved. Hell, he was recruiting kids to Clemson from Texas while being their OC, just to prove the point here. We hired a guy who has never coached a down of football before as a head coach anywhere, much less in Texas HS ranks. We looked at his pedigree and offered him the job at almost a million to start, have since bumped it up to around that figure, but he has zero recruiting connections here and he is coaching at a place that regularly recruits below everyone we dream to be included with, usually by a lot, no matter the coach, stadium, conference affiliation, etc...and as it turns out, our quiet coach doesn't exactly light it up on the recruiting front anyway, so now you get the double whammy of horrible history and apathy of the program with an introverted coach who isn't going to convince TX HS coaches and parents to send their kids here because of his motivating style. All I know is that I have seen zero coaches succeed here at any level of success that garnered even decent exposure from the local media. Obviously, Hayden Fry was able to do it, but he was probably one of the best 50 coaches of alltime if you factor in what he accomplished here and at Iowa. But that guy had charisma and a coaching mind that nobody else has ever combined to have here and use it for success as our head coach. I thought McCarney was gonna be the one, and it started out promising, but the combination of stubbornness, poor recruiting, horrible history, and his health issues all crushed that dream. Maybe SL is the guy to fix it here, like Hayden Fry did, lifting us above so many great SWC teams of the time. But if he doesn't, it isn't like he won't have company as not being able to make a FBS program accomplish much at UNT. And I can tell by SL's press conference that he is more than a bit peeved at how much we got handled by SMU. I think he thought we would compete better with them. But their talent level is just much higher than ours, again, as it should be. They pay their coach twice what we pay, they play in the toughest G5 conference, and they are in his third year of rebuilding their program with recruits usually rated much higher than ours. It just isn't a surprise to lose by 3 TDs to them on the road, right now, even if should have been worse than that...

Man, you must feel really awesome to come here with that kind of hard hitting analysis. I mean, really, who else would have the balls to tell a low level G5 team that they will get killed in a P5 bodybag game? I bet you are the guy who does stuff like this, too: ---Find a homeless person and the scoreboard them about having a house you rent... ---Go to a hospital and tell the sick person how much healthier you are than him... You seem to think this is some act of kindness you are doing by wishing us minimal injuries and that we need to get prepared to get pounded. Guess what, when yall play Penn State, they will say the same things to you. Enjoy it...

We pay our Head Coach half of what SMU pays. Chad Morris was TX HS Coach and was the highest paid assistant coach in America before he came to SMU. He and they have name recognition with TX HS Coaches, Parents, and recruits. All oft eh CUSA stuff you point out is right--and that's who we will play starting in two weeks, CUSA teams. SMU may have been a dreg of college football a few years back, but like Southern Miss did, they hired right, spent cash, and used their NAME RECOGNITION/REPUTATION to rebuild their programs. We don't have that last part because our reputation was allowed for decades to be dog$hit compared to other Texas/regional schools. SL may be a failure here, or he may not be, but in the second game of his second season, he lost a game at team that is in a better conference, with a coach making double his salary and about to make the leap to being a P5 giant head coach if things keep progressing, while playing at their place. That is normal to happen to a team that is a bit over a year removed from being the absolute worst team in America and suffered the worst loss in modern college football history less than two years ago. That doesn't just go away by September of a brand new coach's second season on the job, with an OC in the same situation, while coaching a group of players who were recruited here to run a 1975 Caprice Classic and now have to run the equivalent of a sports car. And you're trying to do that with a roster made up largely of recruits who didn't have strong offers from other FBS programs that we want to emulate. We are paying a high price for a coach, at out level, because we are hoping to have a guy here that will make up a lot of lost ground. There's a long way to go on that part, but to many here, the cost is all they see and can't believe we still suck. It's the same thing our fans thought when we moved up to I-A, then moved into Apogee, then moved up to CUSA, then hired Mac, and now pay Littrell even more money...nothing changes, even with these improvements, because, shocking, EVERYBODY ELSE IMPROVED THIS STUFF ALONG TIME AGO that our few fans want to be like. Again, until shown otherwise, beyond a few exceptions to the rule over the last 22 years, recruiting here cannot be done at a level above SMU. Since that who we are comparing ourselves to right now, we need to its apples to oranges, no matter how much it crushes the fanbase around here that hates a school that was last relevant on the national scene 35 years ago. That's how asinine this "rivalry" is...they don't give a phuck about us and we get pissed when they use their $$$ and influence to beat us into the ground. We are watching a school like UTSA fly by because they didn't get lost in the weeds on how much to charge students for an athletic fee--they charged the full amount, just like Texas State did...we didn't though, because it hurts the value proposition here. We are watching UTSA fly by because they hired a great recruiter from LSU that knows all of the coaches in high schools across Texas and Louisiana and is selling them on building something special. If a school could have a negative (below zero) ranking with HS coaches in this state, it would be us because of what they have known us to be for decades. And finally they are playing P5 names competitively and getting series with them at home. We are instead drooling over a series with SMU, who has shown time and again that we are nothing to them and if they lose to us, their coach is immediately on the firing line. You want to fix recruiting here? Coach up the kids you have here and beat CUSA teams first. They are all on our level. Then, get to the point where AAC and MWC teams can get beaten by us, both from a coaching standpoint and from better recruits. Two seasons ago, we couldn't beat anyone without miraculous circumstances. Last year, we started winning low level CUSA games. This year, we need to beat a UTSA, an ODU, even A USM on the road, while beating the UTEPs, Rices, and UABs of the world, too. Beat Army at home. Get to 6 wins and make a bowl again. Show improvement That's realistic steps to get the recruiting to improve here--if it can. Because right now, there is absolutely nothing that says it can improve or that it will improve to where the gmg posters want it to get to.

This. Sometimes, you just make it easier on yourself to not really get your expectations up at all. The few times I have, after 2003-2004 seasons, as well as after the 2013 season, it has gone back to crush my Mean Green soul. I follow the team because they are my alma mater and I don't want to be a t-shirt fan of some football power and claim them as my own just because my school likes music and arts in the same way A&M, UT, OU, Tech, etc...like football and basketball. It took me 20+ years to get to that point, but it has put a lot of things in perspective. If you cannot win, its usually because the commitment isn't there financially, administratively, or from fan support. Its better today than it ever has been, but that damage that had been done for so long until the last 5+ years is too much to overcome for our program. The reputation is dog$hit with non diehard fans, media, other schools higher up the FBS foodchain than us, and even worse, the Texas HS football coaches, recruits, and their parents. To expect Seth Littrell to be able to just start winning 8+ games a year in his first head coaching job at the place that was the worst program in America when he inherited it is just Pie-in-the-sky. Frankly, I said this when he got hired, but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't get it done here and is fired after 4 or so years on the job--just because of the pure mountain of manure he inherited and is trying to rebuild. And if it happens, our program will still be light years better for the next coach than where it was when SL took the job, where the worst AD in America was still in charge, the roster was full of quitters as evidenced by Portland State, and our offensive parts were 180 degrees from SL's offense that he has built his reputation on. Losing to the Ponies doesn't change any reality we are currently sitting in up in Denton. SMU is way ahead of us still--and they should be. They pay more, have more name recognition, and play in a better conference. It sucks, but it is what it is. If we lose to UAB in a few weeks, then I'll gladly tell you that SL is failing and that we have made almost no progress since we got massacred by a FCS team at home on Homecoming in 2015. But I think we will throttle those guys--it'll just be in front of about 12k in real butts-in-seats attendance.

This will be interesting--Iowa just won their rivalry game with ISU in OT, while we got our asses handed to us in our rivalry game. We will play better, while Iowa may have some hangover from the last week. I think it will be much more competitive than the last time we went to Iowa City under Metamucil Mac, when we lost 62-16...which means we will be in this game for about a quarter or more, then get body bag'd to the tune of about 48-20. Just don't get hurt and make sure the funds get wired to the right account....that is all that these games are good for right now for good ol' North Texas.

People on here act like SL just be a great coach because we are paying him the most of any coach in our history...but Chad Morris makes double his salary and has since he got started. And he knows TX HS coaches well because he was one and SMU still has name value around the state. It's not hard to see how this happened last night. They are way ahead of us in every way because they have what we don't--money, name recognition, and recruiting in-roads with TX HS coaches and parents. We have none of that...still. Maybe that changes in five years, like it did when Johnny Jones was here as our hoops coach. But it's nowhere near being settled now. Ill say again...until someone shows us otherwise, recruiting here is not getting better against other G5s in the region because the ammo is just too strong to be used against us.

If you didn't get them to pay for ALL of your medication after Portland State prison-raped us on Homecoming, this probably won't get covered either...#UNTDeductible

SMU is the second or third best team on our schedule. Getting beat by 3 TDs sucks, but only Iowa and La Tech have the horses that are better than SMU's talent. I see us still winning 6 games when it's all said and done. I had Lamar, UAB, and then winning 4 games against the combo of Rice, UTEP, UTSA, ODU, FAU, and Army. I still feel good about that because that group of teams won't out talent us like SMU did last night, even if most of them have more talent than we have now. We are far behind SMU's cash, staff, and recruits. The others aren't killing us like that...yet.

Look at last night's game for the following positives (hint: they aren't from last night): Courtland Sutton played his last game against us in his life...most likely. Chad Morris is probably going to be A&M's next coach if they keep winning against a very favorable schedule. We play SMU at home next year, so that means at least 23k in attendance at Apogee for one home game in 2018.

Mississippi State made the best team in our conference look like absolute garbage last night in a road game, no less.

Recruiting does matter. But let's say you are decent G5 level recruit that is rated 3*. You are being recruited out of a typical TX HS by UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, Arky State, and Texas State. So, this is what you can know going into the recruiting battle. Rice will get anyone who cares a ton about the degree value, as it's probably the best academic school in the region. If the kid cares about winning and going to the NFL, La tech will look really good here. If the kid wants to get away from home, for a more traditional college experience, Arkansas State looks pretty solid. So that leaves the kids who feel like they want in on the ground floor at a school who is building up their programs. UTSA has poured a lot into its program, uses its location to get P5s to come and play there and hired a guy who had recruiting connections throughout texas and Louisiana to bring talent in, as well as administrative backing to win, even if its blurring the lines on some staff members and other areas. That last part is not what we will ever do here--athletics will NEVER matter here like it does at other places. It's NEVER gonna trump Music, Fine Arts, or a value education as the primary windows here in Denton. And college coaches know it and so do TX HS coaches and parents. Your choice here is what it always is--either follow the team because they are yours, knowing full well that the ceiling here has proven to be a 9-win season and the floor is a 1-win season. Or you give up and stop, like the other 99% of the UNT Family has (see MGC membership and the fact that 1 out of every 3800 alums donate to the athletic department). It really is just that simple...

You better hope it was talent and how it's been developed because these coaches are here for a long time. Otherwise, we will have another disastrous run for the next 3 years and will again be hiring someone new to try and build something here. I think a cupboard was never built and we just left food out on the counter tops--with an unlocked door to walk in at anytime you want.

It is what it always is...we suck against teams we care about because the teams we care about never have to worry about losing to us in a recruiting battle. We are the easiest team in this region of the country to recruit against--it's like taking candy from a baby.

Dickey needed to go when he did. Losing was back in a big way, he had the charm of a porcupine, and his offense was a good way to cure insomnia. He provided nothing close to what we needed for the program to move upward from where we had gotten in the years before. Whether that was because of RV or because they couldn't work well together, it's all he said/she said. But RV having the insulation of the UNT BOR, then the UNT 17, was the pathetic part of all of this. And it's why we are where we are. Littrell has to get better, but he is our coach now because we didn't have a ton of choices that were any better or more well known.

The networks show games of conferences that people want to watch on mediums that aren't online only. That's not on the AD here or at SMU.

Damn...that's just a colossal beat down right here. UNT 90 was right about the UNT 17 and RV in the end...but that was about ten years too late.

I agree with you...I think it just shocked him that he couldn't get recruits to give us a second or third look. But other than dodge's first class when he was a TX HS legend, as well as one of Dickey's classes that had some major talent, recruiting here is almost always between below average and dead-ass last. That's what happens when you use a program for decades as a way to bring in cash and nothing else. Obviously, it's changed now, but the recruiting isn't getting magically fixed here until we either win bigger or we hire somebody that has great name recognition to attract the attention of the recruits in this state. They were almost all RV hires or extensions...

Actually, he didn't at all when he first got here. He was sold on the idea that this was going to be a USF starter kit--big public school in a big metro area. Uber positive everywhere he went about North Texas. And then recruiting here at a new stadium in a better conference after winning 9 games and a HoD Bowl victory meant squat to recruits in this state. Why? His offense was boring as hell, but TX HS Coaches and parents still felt that there were other schools better for Johnny and Joe than we were. And it literally drove Dan McCarney insane.