untjim1995

Then why are you hanging around here. You and Cougar King just troll this place to brag about being higher up the food chain. Neat. Do you go by the food shelter and brag about shopping at Whole Foods and having a full pantry? Because that’s what you’re basically doing here. We get it. You have money, local media, and a ton of history that gets mentioned and even celebrated. We have none of that.Hell, our own alumni dominate the local sports media and they just don’t care about us to do anything but make fun of us. We don’t need smu posters to remind us of how much you loathe ever being associated with us and have more goals by for you. We all know it.

I give SMU credit for making the ACC happen. There is no doubt that it’s a huge deal and they got in because of their money, which is why they’re known in the CFB world. The media fawns over their “unfair” punishment and that is something that just baffles me. The ACC knows that they are buying time here until the inevitable breakup of their league. Getting SMU, Stanford, and Cal is their hope to keep teams like Miami, Duke, Wake Forest, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville to stay after the big state schools leave. Maybe add in other schools like UConn, Tulane, ECU, and USF. Maybe that group can stay as a power conference, like the Big 12 hopes. My guess is that none of the above really happens, though. The ACC gets blown apart and the other three power conferences pick them apart.

So, are you cool when 7-11 or 8-10 power teams in their conferences get those spots when the third AAC team or the second MVC team gets told they didn’t measure up against what Wake Forest or Georgia or Northwestern did because of their conference’s depth? because that’s what will happen.

I just can't agree with one single iota of what SMU2006 is posting. You got into the ACC because you agreed to not take a penny of TV money from the ACC, that you had GWB and other billionaires beg for entry into a league that you will not be able to compete in at all as it currently stands, and that ACC GOR is only as solid as the strongest members want it to be. UNC, NC State, Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, UVa, and Va Tech all have homes in the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 right now if the ACC falls apart. Syracuse and BC go the way of UConn, while Wake Forest, SMU, and Cal are left behind. Stanford is the true wildcard in all of that, as I can see them in either the B1G or Big 12. If I had to bet, the B1G would get Stanford, UVa, UNC, and Duke. The SEC would get Va Tech, NC State, Clemson, and FSU. The Big 12 would get Pitt, Louisville, GT, and Miami. The others get the Oregon State/Wazzou drop. Then, in another 5-10 years, the culling will go further, cutting out lower brands in those three leagues to get down to 36-48 programs.

There is no way you are convincing Texas, A&M, Alabama, Ohio State, North Carolina, USC, Notre Dame, or Michigan, as well as their media, to accept playing teams like SMU, Washington State, Boston College, Baylor, or other schools that are just not big enough to match their eyeballs. When they whittle this down, it's gonna be about 48 schools, max. Maybe as few as 36 schools. The B1G and SEC, along with main parts of the ACC and Big 12 will move on, leaving the rest behind. It will be one of my absolute favorite parts of that schism occurring when SMU has to play teams that they are meant to be playing, not any power conference that let them pay their way in for a few years.

Dickey did a great job of playing physical football. So did DMac. The problem for both of them was that their offenses were really, really boring and usually got us nowhere against a decent team. But our defenses would hit you hard, until they were spent. What got to be problematic for both Dickey and McCarney was finding talent to run their offensive game plan that TX HS football coaching had dropped for running the spread. And when neither could get even decent QBs, the losing just piled up. But it’s been the exact opposite with Dodge, Seth, or Morris, where a hard hitting defense never came close to materializing. I will still say that the two best UNT teams I’ve seen here since 1990 were the 2003 and 2013 teams, both of whom won 9 games, while pounding you physically, and having a QB who was smart and made solid throws when necessary.

You’ve said this before, but those ADs and coaches are always looking for their next gig up the totem pole of college athletics. Disturb that apple cart and you never get to have the chance to eat the apples. And that’s exactly why the division ended up happening. All of this has made me think that the places that have cared about sports and funding it, only to watch people bigger than them leave, are the biggest losers in all of this. Say that you’re a Tech alum or you went to Baylor. You’ve been ranked in the top 5 in football and basketball (men’s and women’s), as well as making trips to Omaha. You built up a program that often surpassed the Texas, Oklahoma, and Aggie triumvirate. And it meant nothing because those schools have all the money, t-shirt fans, and TV markets covered. Sure, they benefitted greatly from getting to play them in the first place, but their political strength and appreciation of sports got them there to the SWC/Big 12. And now, they both might be left behind. We got what we deserved for never caring about sports enough and for not using our location and size to make us better. We went arts and music and cheap tuition and got hundreds of thousands of alumni who won’t give back or go back to Denton. This Split should help us to at least stay even with a lot of teams and programs we should always be peers with, even if most of them have zero interest in being associated with us. If we get left behind again after this is done, somehow being stuck behind SMU, TCU, and UH, amongst others, I then think it’s time to close up shop. But I just don’t see that scenario happening again.

Trust me, the teams that will "barely" miss will be conference champions of midmajors that lost in their conference tournaments or the 2nd place teams in non-power league conferences. It'll mean 4 more teams from the Big East, ACC, B1G, SEC, Big 12, and maybe a team from the A-10 or the WCC.

Its the best thing that could ever happen for fans, players, and coaches of G5 schools. It remains the only level of football, from pee wee to the NFL, that doesn't ever have a championship team. Its blatantly unfair...

Man, that's not even close to true.

Its just so sad to see greed make college athletics all about 50 schools in football, basketball, and baseball.

Stupid

We are already there, The CFB media admits they spend 95% of their time and coverage on the Power Teams, who pay their bills.

No, the real world is that we are ranked 23rd against our legitimate peers, not NFL-lite programs with tens of millions more in revenues.

I think they have two possibilities to stay a Power school--the B1G and SEC are the Powerful 2, but the Big 12 survives as a league of the best of the rest and gets to keep a Power status, even though they make much less. Or the B1G expands, continuing its march into the MIdwest and West, adding more AAU schools that includes KU and Mizzou. Then the SEC says they want some exposure in the MIdwest, and they add in KSU, which would fit in fine with them academically. Or they get left behind, as you mention above. I just could see the politicians in these states, that are full of graduates of these big state schools that aren't directional or names after a city, being able to get the K-State's, Iowa State's, Texas Tech's and Mississippi State's of the world to stay at the top level. At least int he first iteration of the schism. But if that schism means that UNT gets to play in a level of competition and a conference with the sparer SWC schools that also includes other regional AAC teams, I'd feel like UNT really won in that setup. A new school SWC, with Tulsa, SMU, TCU, Baylor, UH, Rice, UNT, UTSA, UTEP, and Tulane. That would be incredible for us. But if that new competition ended up being the teams I listed, but not UNT, because SMU, TCU, and Baylor team up again to keep us away from them regionally, then it would depend on if we are able to at least still be playing at that same level. If we are, but we are playing Texas State, NMSU, and other SBCUSA schools, it'll suck, but at least we would still be able to play at the same level. But if the current power schools that get left behind all create some new level of play and just add in a few current G5 schools that doesn't include us, we need to immediately understand that football here just was never meant to be greatness and act accordingly.

K-State football is an interesting team to mention. They only have a capacity of 50k, but has finished in the top 20 in the AP poll 15 times since 1993. They are a program that could easily be left behind in a breakaway by the top programs. Their academics are not great, as well as the fact that they are clearly not delivering a huge TV pull. But they do have a history of being a solid program since Snyder got there and started building them up and they have a history of travelling well. Public schools like those in the Big 12 now are all in danger of being left behind, too, but I bet they won't be in the first schism, just for political reasons and because they are still bringing in bigger numbers by a large amount than the G5s. But the private schools in the Big 12 and the lesser brands of those city schools/directional schools in the conference are probably left out, similar to SMU, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and Boston College in the ACC. The question for us is if UNT would be able to be in a division setup with these schools. If so, it would be still a huge plus for us. If not, then it's a gigantic negative.

Yeah, at UNT (and most places), there are two sports that matter to fans. Football and men’s basketball. Anything else is gravy.

This is great news. Get these NFL-lite programs away from the rest of us that want to watch amateur college football again. We don’t need to be playing teams that draw double or more our capacity for games, those who have budgets that make ours look like couch money.

Half? Try more like 90%

You may very well be right, but I figure that the first iteration of a minor league CFB division will include more of the power schools currently than less. But it could be just 24-32 teams, too.

Bob Tyler was probably why we went to 1-aa so easily. The administration had been ready to pounce, and he gave them the opportunity. Hayden Fry was the anomaly, as we have seen now for the past 45+ years. I wish we would've tried harder to see if Gary Patterson wanted to coach and still live in DFW. Maybe he didn't, maybe he knew that UNT would never be a place he'd want to coach, or maybe he's done with CFB now that NIL and the portal are at play. But he represented the same recipe that we used to get Fry and it remains the only time in the last 50 years where we have been ranked in football.

Oh, I'm sure he will do a ton for the College of Music, College of Arts and Sciences, and the College of Business. And tell us that enrollment rising is the key to our future. Basically, the same recipe we always see.

All it will do is make the coach get fired sooner...at places that can afford to buyout tens of millions of dollars to make sure a coach never coaches their school ever again

I think that McCarney’s exit just burned the decision makers here to ever pay for a name coach with actual experience as a successful FBS coach from a previous stop. Like I’ve always said, this place needed a head coach that would galvanize the entire UNT Family. Make us want to follow him because we have seen that he can do something. Make us believe that we aren’t just some spare place on the CFB map, like most media and fans think outside of gmg.com. But the portal and NIL sort of burns all of that up now. When you can’t keep talent because it can be bought away at any time, the coaches at a place like this can’t afford to miss on recruiting, development, or coaching hires. It makes it really hard to build momentum in any fashion, knowing that your players and coaches are bought the moment that a Power School calls.

For our situation, they are just not helpful to grow your fanbase. Obviously, there are exceptions, as SFA is a decent OOC game because they bring people and UNT fans know SFA friends. But playing Nicholls State, Portland State, Bethune-Cookman, Grambling, Texas Southern, Prairie View, incarnate Word, Abilene Christian, or Tarleton State just don't bring enough eyeballs to the stadium. And while everyone wishes that people would come to games to watch us play as the only reason, the reality is that Denton doesn't work like that. They show up for games we play teams that they have heard of or care about. Otherwise, they don't care.