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Where else would a program that has won a CBI and NIT title in the last decade, while also having a win in the actual NCAA Tournament, plus having a winning record AGAIN, need to even worry about getting an extra boost to come watch the team play a conference game in mid-to-late January? The simple answer is nowhere. The Denton excuse that I hate hearing is that there is just too much to do in the Metroplex...no, not on a Wednesday night on a cold night there isn't. But I've been clearly told it's because our marketing/promotions suck and if people just knew that we were good, the place would double in attendance. Sometimes, the fact is that you can lead the hose to water, but you can't make it drink. As for my ideas, it would be to meet the people where they are. Have the College of Music and Arts setup exhibits in the Super Pit's concourse. Have the UNT Drumline perform at halftime and at the end of the game. See if you can get people to come watch them and see if it gets them interested in that athletic thing going on. Now, I realize that the Deans of those Colleges may not want to help nor do anything to help and that would basically cement the argument that nothing will ever work here because of the culture. But it's worth a shot and it would cost nothing. Have a battle of the frats and who can get the best turnout/energy for the game...do the same thing with the sororities, too, at another game. But whatever you do, don't blame the locals and the students...that's CLEARLY hurtful and mean.

Just don't blame Denton or the UNT students, whatever you do. Clearly, the only reason they don't show up isn't because they don't care or actively loathe athletics...its got to be something else.

Going out west with TX State and UTSA would be awesome, especially if they also added St Mary's for hoops. That should be a no-brainer, but I can see Texas State going out there solo and doing great. I still think UTEP will get in there before its all said and done, too.

I wonder if our fans back then ever imagined what things would look like after Fry left here after winning 40 games in his 6 seasons here…

If I were UNT, I'd never play yall ever again...we give yall exactly what you want. Thousands of fans to buy tickets at your game, an easy win for you, and all the DFW media sees us get our asses kicked by a team they know about and care about. But we won't. Yall will call and we will drop everything to go down there for the booty call.

Paging @SilverEagle, it’s starting to sound like some More crinkled $100 bills have shown up in Denton…and folks are NOT happy

This is a weird post, NT80. He's posted on here for years and knows more about the program and its issues than 98% of UNT students and alumni. And google can answer that question in a heartbeat for anyone from anywhere.

I think that both will happen, eventually. The players will be salaried employees, eligibility will not be a thing in the future, since they will be employees. Not good enough for the NFL? Play at the semi-NFL level, where you can still get paid. A guy like Mason Fine, for example, in the future, could be a QB at a school for years and years, even beyond the age of 30...these Power programs will have GMs that manage the roster and hire coaches.

He won’t listen…

Yeah, the average attendance at games for UNT just screams unending and undying support…

Be careful…people on here don’t want you to say that Denton doesn’t love and support their Mean Green… Never mind about the attendance stuff for the last 70 years.

Which is why Cal has survived and will probably still survive…people go to games there to see Cal play teams people have heard of or care about. People don’t care about North Texas playing Charlotte or Florida Atlantic or Middle Tennessee or Western Kentucky. They care about SMU, UH, Tech, TCU, Baylor, etc…and those schools want absolutely nothing to do with being in a conference with us. As for Denton and UNT having 40k in enrollment, a city with over 100k in population, and a giant metro area to draw from within an hour, ask yourself why they don’t come. Win in hoops? Attendance can’t get to 33% of the Pit. Football is king in Texas and Denton High Schools have awesome programs? But we can’t average 2/3rds capacity and have never sold out a 30k stadium EVER…Denton not caring for our teams isn’t a pity party—it’s the damn truth. And has been forever.

Culturally speaking, UNT and Denton just don’t care about the teams here. If people do care, they get made fun of or looked at as if they have 3 heads. But if someone loathes our teams and is a student, professor, administrator, or citizen of Denton, they get all kinds of attention and praise from the others. It’s a town that loves being anti-establishment and going against the grain. And sports are most definitely at the top of the establishment definition to these people.

Big 12 runs thru 2031, ACC theu 2036

Too late…since 1961, Alabama has 12 AP/BCS titles, Miami has 5, USC, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have 4, Clemson, FSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas and LSU have 3, Michigan and Penn State have 2. Add in Pitt, Tennessee, and Auburn, who won one, but had titles before 1961, and you have exactly two outliers, BYU and Colorado. 20 title winners, of which 2 are 1x winners in the last 64 seasons, as we prepare for Ohio State or ND to add another. It’s a sport, just like the NFL has shown, where the champions are amongst the few 13 teams have won all but 5 Super Bowls, not the many. People complain about the MLB having the top market teams have the money, but the MLB World Series winners since 1961 includes 24 of their 30 teams have won titles. That’s how it should be.

Here’s what will eventually happen. A new configuration of the biggest brands that cover football/men’s hoops for major state schools and privates: Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, FSU, Miami, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, WVU, Ohio State, ND, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, KSU, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, A&M, Tech, Colorado, Utah, BYU, Arizona, ASU, USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and UW. 52 schools—13 schools in 4 divisions , 12 conference games, 3 OOC games against other teams in the other divisions based on your finish the previous years, plus a playoff system of 16 teams. For hoops, they’ll add in the Big East schools, along with your Gonzaga’s and others like them.

They know where the economic growth for their states come from in regards to college sports. You don’t have to have a UT or A&M degree to know that they get 200k+ for home games on a weekend, which dwarfs everyone else combined.

I mean, they did an awesome job in the Senate of helping with the grocery prices over these last 6 years…

A guy from Southlake that loved Todd Dodge, hated that he left SLC for a place with less resources and facilities at UNT, then saw him fail at a colossal fashion here…then rubs SMUs wealth and success in our faces on a board that will tolerate anything to support clicks, which is very North Texas… You’re the kinda guy that probably has the kid that went to SLC and held up the sign that said “Your dad works for my dad”. You are an SMU fan

I know what you’re getting at and you’re right about the need for transparency. Just know that it’s much easier for a place like Tech to show what we don’t because they have a ton of money compared to us. They have TV money, they have Big 12 money, they have oil money, they have West Texas money, and they have no competition for eyeballs in Lubbock. We have none of it—basically the exact opposite situation.

He doesn’t want to hear it. He wants to see us pass for 400 yards and score 28 points while our defense stops nobody when it counts…it’s just how it is around here.

They have a damn good coach with skins on the wall

Well, if you are only talking about this game only, then I can see why you’d ask this…but if you’ve watched the entirety of the Eric Morris tenure, then it would seem the answer would seem more obvious…

He’d be a great fit for a place where they actually play complimentary football…

Getting a QB to stay for 7 years helped UTSA immensely…and Texas State can hit, which tells me they can tackle, too.