TheColonyEagle

Kind of what I was wondering

Which is basically what they want anyway… I’m sure none of the of the big programs or Networks really wanted USC playing Tulane in the Cotton Bowl regardless of what the structure currently in place allows.

So it seems the only thing these Pac4 teams can hope for it the Pac keeps its name and whatever auto bid status it evidently has (per @Cerebus) If that’s the case, that’s the only leverage the PAC has (and it’s not much) which goes to the Apple deal. If it was $23 mil per school. That deal was for the PAC before it lost all its remaining name programs. So that deal is no longer on the table. Any new deal has to be combined with “we are an auto bid conference” and that has to be attractive enough to pull any AAC or MWC teams over. I don’t see Apple offering enough money for a conference made up to who is available to make who is available jump.

I 100% agree here. If the Cartel wants to stay in power this is the easiest thing to do. Just do away with auto bids and “autonomy”. Have a selection committee and they just pick the 12 teams they want in. It would be pretty easy for them to justify putting in a 3 or 4 loss SEC team over an undefeated AAC team. Do away with the auto bids then they can do what they want. Who gets in, an 8-3 Ole Miss team with say….losses to Bama, LSU, and Texas? Or a 12-0 UNT with a win over a Wyoming, Tulane and UTSA. I think that’s an easy decision for the committee and the media will back them. 12 spots. 10 of them will be from the new mega conferences and a couple from ACC (unless Notre Dame goes 10-2 or maybe 9-3….then they’re in)

Being in the same conference as us has broken their brains they want out so bad. They’d probably take a CUSA invite at this point.

As for raiding G5s…..Pete Thamel said on ESPN that any thoughts of the Pac 12 “just adding from the MWC” wouldn’t work because it would cost $30+ million per school to join. That’s not gonna happen. I don’t know what it would cost to leave the AAC (I’m assuming less than that) but why add a bunch of travel expenses and pay an exit fee to join a conference that used to have a good name and has no media deal. What’s the upside? Playing Stanford? That’s not worth it. The “Pac12” name doesn’t mean anything anymore.

Regardless of Utah's view of BYU....it makes too much sense for them to just go to the Big 12.

That was freaking awesome

I'm not sleeping on Jace Ruder.....

That's 100% correct. It's my argument on "what are these media companies getting for their investment?" These programs and sports teams have been living off and depending on this money for a long time. And that money is not there anymore. Bally's and the Rangers, is a good example of what's about to happen to college football. Thank GOODNESS the Rangers are now winning and relevant and selling out that stadium. They are playing themselves into relevance and sustaining revenue based on their own performance. Tickets, parking, concessions and apparel may not be enough on it's own...but I would bet it's more than double what it was last year when the Rangers were horrible. I think we're going to see this in college football in the near future. Teams are going to have to generate their OWN revenue and not be able to depend so heavily on any "big brothers" and conference mates to supplement them. For example, the TV dollars that Oregon's profile brought to the Pac12 aren't going to be there for Oregon St anymore. Oregon St is going to have to sell tickets and be responsible for themselves. Same can be said for all the big conferences. The Pac12 just got into a horrible timing situation and I would bet the other conferences are paying attention. That's why Clemson and Florida St are sniffing around elsewhere. Then...the Wake Forests of the world, etc will be in the same situation Oregon St is in eventually. And the thoughts that eventually big time College Football will be 50 teams or so will come true. I say all that to say if some of these programs are smart (and I put our program in this too), the future is going to be regional. These programs are going to have to think with their heads and not their pride and make smart financial decisions. And we may eventually be thinking how lucky we are to be in Texas with so many programs close.

First game after the deadline. Rangers with a 1/2 game lead over the Astros. Rangers get an Ace. Astros get an Ace. Rangers go out and pitch a shutout. Heaney with 11 Ks and 2 hits through 6. The damn Astros say "hold my beer" and go throw a no hitter. I'm not sure I remember a race down the stretch like this one has the potential to be. It's on!

weird thing, I NEVER even thought about the last 3 letters being “TCU”. Didn’t notice it until now. “The Dat” I like it. In

So things have changed since this original post. Now it’s the Pac4 Assuming Arizona(s), Washington and Oregon leave…..Does a “Pac 12” with these 4 leftovers and no TV deal look attractive to these same schools that are “reaching out?” Does the immediate answer: “oh yeah, anything’s better than this” still apply? For example, Does an SMU look down on this version of the AAC so much they would potentially spend more money and get a potential worse TV deal just to distance from it?

But the deal, sources said, would incrementally improve and potentially be competitive with its peers in the Big 12 and ACC down the road, provided certain subscription numbers are met. So....I'm going to assume that the Apple deal is for the Pac 12 with the current teams. What happens to this deal if Arizona, Arizona St, Washington and Oregon leave? That deal is no longer attractive for Apple. So it will change. Then any future deal will be for the four leftovers (Stanford, Cal, Wash St and Ore St) and whatever MWC/AAC teams join and at that point.....I will question if the updated deal will be worth moving to the Pac 12 (even though it's technically called the "Pac 12") which doesn't make a lot of sense. The "history of the Pac 12" is non existent ( I guess we can run Cal/Stanford the band is on the field on a loop)

we made the SC top 10 last night..... Bell broke some ankles with a move in the paint then dished it... I think we were #2 or #3 on the list

But (and correct me if I’m wrong) that $7 million was negotiated when UCF, UH and Cincy were in the conference right? If the AAC we’re negotiating NOW, would it be $7 million per school?

But why would anyone pay $12 million per school to the schools that are left over? $10 million? $8? Would they make money back on that? How?

They did?

Go ahead and change the title to: "Several AAC and MWC schools have/will reach out to the Pac 7 and what's left of the ACC" It's happening fast now https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-expansion-rumors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington

So the only real outcome here is we eliminate a P5 conference. We now have 4. Which was going to happen eventually anyway. The Pac12 will be something else not P5 The 4 mega conferences was always the eventual outcome we’re just seeing it start to happen now. If SMU, etc want to go be in the new MWC that’s fine… ORE and Wash and the Arizona schools won’t be there by the time all these schools that are wanting to jump to the “Pac12” get there. and I’ll bet there will be another round when attendance continues to drop, traditional matchups go away and the TV money continues to decrease. next round will be where P5s drop and big D1 college football is left with 36-40 teams.

Forgive my oversimplification: But as I understand it, the reason ESPN, Fox, etc pay out these big TV deals, is so they can broadcast games from the conferences they’re paying the big TV deals to. In return, the ESPN, Fox’s of the world expect a return on their investment in advertising dollars and subscriptions. A big “media market” is expected to bring more eye balls which leads to more advertising and subscriptions Here’s the problem: That model is gone. Why is ESPN bleeding money and Disney laying people off? What exactly is the Pac12 offering ESPN or Fox in return for ESPN and Fox’s money? A big matchup between Wash St and Cal? The revenues aren’t keeping up with the expenditures. Netflix has impacted the entertainment industry the same way. And actors and writers are striking right now because they’re trying to figure out what the future looks like. Same thing for sports entertainment. It’s happened in every sport. Look at the regional sports networks here in Dallas with Ballys (Mavericks, Stars and Rangers) it’s amazing how many people in DFW in 2023 cannot watch the Rangers on TV. Everything is changing and these media companies, schools and conferences know it Also, why do people insist “SMU brings a top 5 market?” Not picking on SMU (you could say the same thing about UNT) I don’t understand the “media market” argument. Not in todays world. What difference does it make where SMU is located if no one is going to tune in to watch them and thus see the advertising ESPN has traditionally depended on for revenue. It’s the tree in the forest. Is SMU going to make a sound? Who knows? Does Stanford, Cal, Oregon St and Wash St coming to Ford field 4 weekends every 2-3 years warrant millions? I think Colorado jumped on the Big 12 because left to their own merits, outside of local fans and alumni, no one is going to want Colorado. Not enough people care about them. So they jumped to what looks like a more stable conference (for now) This entire model has changed and I think we are headed toward more online, More subscription based watching. The old way of consuming sports is dead. I read something the other day that said in the near future, the Super Bowl could be pay per view. I absolutely agree.

In a couple of years....seems like college football will be the SEC and Big 10. And then everyone else will be left to figure it out. That's the divide. No more P5/G5. SEC/Big10 and then the rest.

Big win last night. Marcus Semien is the glue on this team....and his rage after getting hit carried over to the rest of the team. Big message sent after 2 emotional losses. Instead of leaving Houston tied for 1st. We leave with a 13-5 win and a 2 game lead. That dust up was fun....feels like that's what this rivalry needs.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38070520

Need a Rangers thread..... They are the hottest team in MLB out of the all star break. Swept Cleveland, going to win the series against TB. Two more big series coming up. Dodgers are here next and then we go to Houston. We could have a pretty good idea of where we stand in the next week or so. Also....Shohei Ohtani talk is heating up with the Rangers in the middle of the conversation. Next 2 months should be fun! https://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/_/group/overall