Correct, and what bowl did the winner of the Big West go to? The Boise Bowl? Where is the Big West conference now? The past coaches at North Texas didn't go to a bowl because there weren't as many bowls in those days and we didn't have the automatic tie-in. Look at DD's record prior to joining the SBC. I am glad to be in the SBC and like what it has done for us by winning conference, but let's look at the competition. The best team in the Sun Belt is currently ranked #119 by the Sagarin ratings. BTW, there are 117 D1A teams. Do we win? Yes, against the sister's of the poor. The teams we should be on par with, Tulsa, La. Tech, etc... are hammering us. RV is very good at what he does, I agree, but I'm not sure if he totally believes in DD, or that he is the one deciding who leads the team. You don't think grades were an issue with him not signing with a "big" school and NT taking a chance on him?