UNTLifer

I worry about this board sometimes.....this would be one of those times.

Stanford....proving that academics and athletics can't co-exist.

As Cerebus stated above, The THECB has informed UNT admin that overcrowding issues at UT and A&M will be relieved at UNT. Eagle Point has allowed the construction of an additional dorm with another in the master plan. Again, there are no academic programs on the Eagle Point campus. The Hotel Restaurant program should be placed in the hotel on Eagle Point to provide the students with valuable experience. U of Houston has a Hilton on its campus and is recognized as one of the best programs in the nation. As Cerebus pointed out, where would you put a hotel one the main campus side of I35. Let's see, new dorms, new Rec Center, new Environmental Sciences Bldg, new Chemistry Bldg, new COBA Bldg, new dorms, etc... Yep, I would say the needs are being ignored in Denton.

I applaud this young man, and his wife, for not only his success in track, but more for his success as a husband and father. He could have given up and walked away from this situation, but took the road many today choose not to, and will be better for it in the long run.

First, what academic programs are scheduled for Eagle Point? The remainder of you post reflects your attitude in your other posts. You are right and everyone else is wrong. BTW, I do agree that the Dallas campus is not needed and with your assessment of Jackson, but I don't think anyone on here is on board with building a stadium and ignoring other needs. I would be comfortable in stating that 100%, or very close to that, of the posters want excellence across the board at NT, but you must remember that this is an athletic's site.

You don't think the weather had something to do with that?

UTEP?????

I would give up the "body bag games" against LSU, Arkansas, etc... but not for games against Ohio and Buffalo. LongJim's post is what I would look to do and throw in UT and A&M every so often.

I thought you stated it would be imposed and not voted on?

Yes, the offense has improved under Dodge, at least the passing offense. It is much more explosive than DD's "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense. But the flip side to this is that Dodge's offense typically scores much quicker than DD's, thus not giving the defense as much rest. I think the defense will be much improved under Deloach, but depth could be an issue. It would be nice to be able to rotate players in along the D-line, but I don't think the depth is there yet to allow this to happen.

When soccer would have to travel out of state for a majority of their road games while baseball could play: TCU, Baylor, UT, A&M, TSUSM, Dallas Baptist, Tech, OU, Pan American, Texas Southern, Houston, Rice, Sam Houston, Lamar, SFA, La Tech, etc... that are in state are as close as many in state schools.

This argument can go either way: I say impose the fee, because those that oppose it and will become upset are the same ones that will become alumni and never give a dime anyway. The students that do support it will become the alumni that give back. Might as well get a few $$ out of those that will never give in the future.

They should be ranked lower considering their uniforms. Who ever chooses brown and yellow!?

There was a lead contaminated pipe running along the top of the wall, the wall the troughs were attached to, that ran water down the wall. This was the start of the indoor water features you now see in many office building lobbies. Anyway, the water ran down the wall, you pissed on the wall where the water would wash it down into a depression on the floor at the base of the wall and down the drains. As a kid, it was cool to actually be allowed to pee on a wall. 97and03, you can still sword fight, if you so choose, since there aren't any partitions between the waterless wonders.

Yes and a per-hour fee. As KRAM1 noted, I was assessed many fees as a student that I never voted on, nor questioned. Also, if you voted no, please share why.

It has been noted on here in the past that digging down is not an option due to the water table or something of that nature.

I will never, never forgive RV for removing the piss walls in the restrooms and replacing them with those waterless things! There's no fun in waterless urinals.

That's what we need to do, build our athletic facilities 7 miles north of the property on the northern edge of the city limits. The purchase of the TI facility was hailed as one of the best real estate deals around when the purchase was made. I would think that having 200 acres at their disposal to either further develop the Research Park or to sell, considering it fronts Loop 288 is a great situation to be in. Land values only go up and are one of the wisest investments around. North Texas already owned the Eagle Point land and the golf course was a money pit. Renovating Fouts by lowering the bowl was not an option due to drainage/water table concerns and the need for future academic facility growth at the "core" of the main campus is needed. Moving the facilities across I35 directly adjacent to the main campus, to land already owned by the university, land that was losing money hand over fist trying to survive as a golf course, land that if sold off to a developer years ago would seriously decrease the amount of land available around the main campus and would make it almost impossible to reaquire in the future, land that allowed North Texas to become Title IX compliant and place all of its athletic facilities in one common area was, IMHO, a wise decision. You chastise NT for having no plan on how to fund the football stadium, etc... yet in later you applaud NT for the original plan to renovate the physical plant and Fouts to the tune of $90 million, yet there was no plan to fund that either. RV came to my fraternity's alumni meeting just after his arrival and presented this plan to us. It was an exiciting plan and had us all pumped up too, but funding was and continues to be the real issue. Why place some of the athletic facilities 7 miles away from the others? Logistically, that is a nightmare for training staff, equipment, etc... When NT bought this property from TI, it was applauded in real estate circles as one of the best transactions, in NT's favor, around. Why not sell the additional acreage to businesses that would compliment the College of Engineering? It is prime real estate that fronts the new extension of Loop 288 with direct access to I35 and would keep North Texas from separating it's athletic facilities. The one athletic facility that I could see placed out there would be a univeristy golf course. It is just too bad that you weren't available years ago when RV arrived to set the course for NT and the athletic department. It is obvious that you are far superior at planning development and the utilization of land, financial managment of univeristy funds, evaluation of teacher/prof performance than those that have made their living as professionals in these areas. I can only hope that NT will survive another 100+ years without your input.

That chick singing is kinda hot. Got to be less expensive than concrete and steel.

So is death. I'm going to shock KRAM1, but I remember our great men's soccer teams back in the 70's. My concern with adding men's soccer is who do you play? I honestly can't think of more than 1 or 2 D1 colleges in Texas or the Southwest that even sponsor men's soccer. It seems the travel would be horrendous.

This thread was started to discuss who is on the coaching hot seat, not you disdain for a professor that GAVE you a grade. You've taken damn near every thread and hijacked it to address your personal agenda over the ills of NT. Go somewhere else and bitch. You just posted, on another thread, how RV was ready to go with the original plans of converting the physical plant to a new Athletic Center and upgrading Fouts, but it was yanked out from under him. Really? Where are your facts that his $90 million was in place to do this? You claim that the hotel is now slowing down the progress towards a new stadium. Really? You seem to be the only one with this opinion. You are full of opinions, something we all have and we all know what they are compared to.

Let the above be Exhibit A regarding the tone of your threads. You know everything and we are just mindless, ignorant and illiterate fans of North Texas. Thank goodness you are here to save us. Please tell me what plan was in place with "money about to be raised," which is a vague statement, that jerked away by the higher ups? Done deal? Really? I seem to recall that the plan was to lower Fouts, which can't be done. I also seem to recall that the Liberty Christian property came available allowing all of the athletic facilities to be put in one place which didn't seem like a bad idea, and other than you, it doesn't appear to be a bad idea. Ready to raise money? Did he have the $90 million secured? Hell, we've been ready to raise money forever. It's easy being ready. I'm ready to make a million dollars every day. Yet you criticize NT athletics for not having firm dates in your other threads and provide them with an excuse here. Baseball isn't here because of the people above RV creating the funding for the stadium to go elsewhere? Really? If the funding was in place, why haven't the Outlaws built a stadium? Why has their ownership been a mess since day one? Seems to me the ownership of the Outlaws failed on their end of the deal. Without their financial support for the stadium, why should NT dump money in to a new program such as baseball when a football stadium is the greater need? What work on the stadium? Feasibility studies? Come on, the hotel deal is not stalling the stadium. Your post is full of opinions. You act like all of this funding was in place yet RV had it pulled away from him. If this is true, where was this money coming from and how much did RV have secured for the above projects? Look, I agree that RV has done more than any AD in the past and I am appreciative of what he has accomplished. I am also aware of issues coming from his department that reflect poorly on him. Thanks again for riding in from East Texas and hijacking all of the threads to complain about your opinions of how NT has failed at the hard sciences, teachers that you didn't like so you chose to be disruptive to the class, failed at engineering, etc... No, I don't run around with my head buried in the sand and try to ignore the problems with NT. NT, like any university, has problems that need to be corrected, but it is my university and many others on this board that take offense to you showing up and degrading damn near everything about the school. It's a free country and you have the right to your opinion just like I have the right to ask you, "Why, if you are so unhappy at NT and have all the answers to right NT's wrongs, why are you in school here?"

FFR, I saw you post on the football board, but I decided to post this here hoping "Check The Facts" wouldn't hijack it to bitch about NT. That, or try to convince me that the bird in the pictures is a chicken hawk. Wish I was still close enough to go up there and see it in the spring.

Sounds like someone else needs to do the same.

Football Stadium: 30,000 to 35,000 seats for $60 million probably more now due to the increasing costs of fuel, concrete, steel, etc... The funding will come from private donations, a future student fee that is said to be coming this Fall allowing the bonding of the balance. When will it open? I would guess 2010, but that is pure speculation. I don't see how the date can be set in stone, to make you happy, until the funding is secured. I don't know what is going on with the fundraising, etc... and would feel confident that you don't either. Tennis Center Court: I have no idea and don't see it as a pressing need at this time. Baseball: Will not be addressed until after the football stadium is built. I would guess this to be around the early 20teen's. Again, they won't put a date on this until the stadium is completed. Additional women's sports? Not really a pressing need at this time, at least not until the above occurs. Who really cares if NT has a golf course? The team has access to Robson Ranch and Lantana, both nice courses that are convenient to campus. Without researching the issue, I would guess that most colleges utilize the same practice of having access to local courses. Of course, the UT's, A&M's, Oklahoma State's of the world have courses, but how many with the athletic budget of NT have one? Does TCU? What about SMU? The point is that there is a vision in place for the future of athletics, something that was lacking from day one. Unfortunately, the most pressing need is the new stadium and the funding for this venture. Nothing else will take place until that is taken care of, so why put a date on baseball, additional women's sports, track and field stadium, center tennis court, etc... until this is taken care of? Where are the facts to back up your claims? You act like you have access to information that nobody else does on this board. Where is it coming from. Do you have a source in the Athletic Department? Do you have a contact on the Board of Regents? Do you have dinner with Dr. Bataille weekly to discuss the future of NT? Maybe I was condenscending in my previous post. I'm not too worried considering that was one of my posts where it appears that all of your posts have this tone. Ever thought about taking a different tone? You might not come across so abrasive and people might be more willing to listen. Unfortunately, your "I've got all the facts" attitude is wearing thin.