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Everything posted by rcade
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I don't think it's accurate to say everybody was behind the Dodge hire. Some people were upset that UNT hired a high school coach again. That doesn't happen at the top level of college football, and we've done it twice. (As I recall I got behind the hire pretty quick.) Dodge was a failure. He lost an unbelievable number of games in a row by 30 points and couldn't even turn things around enough to be the coach to open the new stadium. You can argue that for what we were paying nobody could succeed, but Dickey had shown that it was possible.
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He isn't the most successful AD in terms of wins and losses in the major sports. The stadium and other facilities improvements aren't going away after he's gone. What form is the dire setback going to take? You can't possibly argue that firing RV will cost us wins, because he's never delivered them. Will all the big donors go away because they're too emotionally invested in RV's factory of failure?
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We paid McCarney the fourth-best salary in our conference, not that far from the top compensation of $812,000. It's not a level of pay to crow about, compared to all of FBS, but it's high enough to set aside the excuse that we don't pay enough to attract anybody decent.
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How much financial support do you give UNT athletics?
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I hope he can make some money overseas if not here. That epic wingspan needs to be on a court somewhere.
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You didn't seem concerned in the other thread where you called our beef with RV 100% vindictive, like we're all a bunch of jerks from the jerk store. I think I've read that sentiment from a dozen different people today, like we've been carrying a grudge against RV and waiting to strike until UNT paid $450,000 to a FCS team so it could beat us at home by eight touchdowns. If that's true, we're some patient aholes.
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Buck up, cowpoke. Someday you'll be able to tell your grandkids you survived the Great Downvoting of 2015.
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Athletes passing their classes is better than the alternative, but nobody pays a football coach $700,000 a year and the AD another $300,000 so they can show the world a good graduation rate. That kind of money is spent so that football can market the university and connect it more strongly to students and alumni. If we don't care about winning, we don't need to spend the money required to compete at our level of FBS football. McCarney's graduation rate didn't save his job with the AD. He had to win. Hold RV to the same standard.
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What evidence have you seen that Smatresk and the board are aware that we're running a 28% successful football program and a lot of fans are demanding a change higher than just the coach? All I see from UNT leadership is business as usual comments and implicit support for RV.
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My financial contributions to UNT athletics are zero dollars and zero cents. I will continue to give at 100% of my current level for as long as RV is AD.
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If RV hires the next coach and it's another one of his "good hires," it'll cost UNT far more than that. What's the point of the great stadium and all the other facility improvements if we win 28% of our games? The point of the plan was to turn UNT football into the kind of program you'd expect at a school of 37,000 that is the biggest university in a metroplex of 6.9 million people. Instead, it's 2015 and we're still looking up with envy towards schools like Tulsa.
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Serious Question about the RV situation
rcade replied to GreenTexan13's topic in Mean Green Football
You changed the course of UNT football history forever with a $500 ad in the Dallas Morning News, but you don't think we can do it with a plane? Look upon our banner, Ye mighty, and despair! -
Serious Question about the RV situation
rcade replied to GreenTexan13's topic in Mean Green Football
Worse. I don't want RV to pick the next coach. That will extend the RV era for another five years in football. -
If that was true, none of the SEC schools would ever get a coach. Living here in Florida, I can say that the fan bases are 100 times tougher on their coaches and ADs in times of adversity than Mean Green Nation has ever been. If you cultivate a fan base in the FBS and convince enough people to care, you're going to catch hell when the team stinks.
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You're oversimplifying to make us seem ridiculous. I didn't expect a personal reply, but I did expect to see some signs that we're being heard. Instead, Smatresk is saying the standard things a president says before an AD hires a coach and Villarreal is talking as if his coaches have been 72-28 instead of 28-72. If Villarreal and/or Smatresk didn't want our discontent to grow, one or both could put themselves out there to make statements that (a) acknowledge the long and deep mediocrity in which our top sports are mired and (b) try to persuade fans on why the future will be different. Instead, it all sounds like it did when Dodge was fired, except now we're wasting Apogee instead of waiting to move into it.
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Smatresk has been UNT president for 18 months. The McCarney firing and the decision to let RV lead the new coaching search are the first opportunity Smatresk has had to put a major stamp on our athletics program. Calling to fire him would be ridiculously premature. He still has a chance to make a difference by taking RV out of the loop on the new coach. Smatresk has time to accomplish what happened when he was president of UNLV, where the AD suddenly and unexpectedly felt the need to retire so he could spend more time with his family. We sent letters to Smatresk. Others contacted them in other ways. What did it get us? Generic replies and RV saying a bunch of things in the press that show he doesn't hear our concerns and doesn't even think there's a problem. To him, he keeps making good hires, the fault for failure lies with conditions beyond his control and fans who want a change at the top are just a "minority." When I hear him talk, I'm reminded of how much Jimmy Johnson hated excuses as Dallas Cowboys coach. Any time a coach or school official gives a reason for why UNT can't be successful, I want Jimmy and his Kip's Big Boy hair to magically appear, point to Fouts and scream "the excuses field is OVER THERE." We have Apogee now. The era of excuses is over. Nobody is doing this out of a desire to humiliate RV. That's like saying the people who booed at the end of homecoming wanted to humiliate McCarney. We're just booing a little louder, in a form college fans all over the FBS understand, in the hopes it will be heard.
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I don't have a goal of pissing off RV and his big-donor buddies. I just want him out. If you asked RV whether firing McCarney was personal, he'd say it wasn't. This isn't personal either. If I met RV I'd be nice to him. I'd even be willing to carry a box of his personal belongings from his desk to his car. RV and RV supporters were always going to respond to a public call to fire him by saying it was just crazy Internet shut-ins, a "minority" of fans, yadda yadda. But it doesn't matter what RV thinks. It matters what Smatresk and the board think. The hope is that they'll see enough signs of our discontent to decide that it's time to stop carrying water for an AD whose football coaches are 28-72.
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For a young alumnus, you are getting a good start on painful memories of UNT's football woes. There's no better subject of debate on GMG than to compare two miserable eras to decide which one was worst. I applaud your willingness to endure such suffering while still asserting your undying love of the Mean Green. Just remember to pace yourself. Don't suffer so much so quickly that you burn out. Being a long-suffering UNT fan is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Nobody knows what the tipping point will be to get an AD out until the AD is out. The banner shows that fans are pissed. Will other fans find ways to show they also want RV out? Unclear. People have tried the other things you've mentioned now and in the past. We're still mired in mediocrity and RV's still here, so new things are being tried.
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If no one cares when we set a record for losing, no one cares when we win either. So if that's how you feel, should we zero out the football budget and put that money into stuff people do care about, like D/FW's home for smooth jazz? People do care. Fans care, boosters care and school officials care. That's why we built Apogee and are spending millions on football and basketball.
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Wardly: I appreciate you telling that story, but were you wrong to be fighting for a big-name hire in a push to get UNT into the Southwest Conference in 1979? History has shown that was a big inflection point for this program. We didn't get in, Jerry Moore left us after two years for Texas Tech, our leaders dropped us to I-AA and we're still paying a price three decades later. The story I heard on Brasher was that he dropped out of the running because we insisted that he interview for the job like all the other candidates.
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RV: Dodge was a good hire based on who we could hire
rcade replied to BillySee58's topic in Mean Green Football
Does Rick Villarreal understand that every hire is a good hire on the day you make it? When he implies that UNT presidents are to blame after his coaching hires do a total faceplant, I wonder if Smatresk recognizes that he will be RV's scapegoat if the next one does too. -
The banner isn't demeaning athletics. It's directed at a top school official who is paid handsomely -- $300,000 a year plus a maximum bonus of $65,000, per USA Today -- to deliver results. When you were a student athlete, you had to perform on the field or you'd be off the team. McCarney had to perform as coach or get fired. Why is the AD immune from this consideration? I understand why some fans don't like the banner. It's not nice. But anyone who is fed up with the negativity associated with our athletics should understand where our disgruntlement is coming from. It comes from watching us lose across our top sports year after year, hire after hire, while being told it's always the next hire that will be the make-or-break one, so we should just stay positive for another 3-5 years and give our AD's plan more time to work. Doing that again with football puts us into definition of insanity territory. Its time for RV to get the same sit-down that he gave McCarney.
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Banner haters are going to call us raving madmen, but we aren't. We're just people who have supported this program for a long time and would like to not be a regular Bottom 10 punch line at some point during our lifespan. Remember when longtime New York Jets owner Leon Hess gave that tragic speech in his 80s where he said "I just want the Jets to win again before I die"? That's us. Following the Mean Green during Rick Villarreal's time as AD has artificially aged us, so we have taken to the skies.
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Incorrect. The banner campaign raised $2,030 in two days. It began Oct. 19 and hit the 100% goal Oct. 21. You could've checked this for yourself on the GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/qd6qjzk8