meaniegreenie

I think the fact that he's playing in the bowl game shows 1) he just wants to play and 2) it just shows more of the drive and commitment that's gotten him to where he his. I'm not gonna' fault him for leaving if they aren't rewarding him with a scholarship and especially if it looks like he isn't going to be in the main rotation next year. That feels like "thanks for bailing us out, now go sit down."

I misread his profile and thought it said DL. Too bad, since all I could hear was: "Na-na Na Na Na-na Na Na U Gonna' get sacked!"

One of the best posts by this guy: https://x.com/TrustMyEyesO/status/1871693301839192192

Sounds like you've never been one of the primary people leading a product to completion, only to have people you depended on leave to chase bigger $. Just because people understand why they left doesn't mean that others aren't upset.

Well, at least that's enough of an off the wall idea to at least consider, but we couldn't pay much. Adding 10k for 6 games is 60,000 fan-games (and I think we have 7 next year). We'd probably need to stay below around $25-35/game which is $1.5-2M total and less than your $4M. I suspect $35 isn't going to be enough to get 10k more people showing up. However, it would be nice to have a full stadium for every game during the season and might be enough to attract a few players to the fun atmosphere.

Especially when (and yes I keep harping on this same thing) the whole thing started because players were initially claiming they should have a share of the revenues generated from the use of their N.I.L. in broadcasts and video games. It's interesting that the ONLY share they've gotten from those is the $600 EA Sports money and NO TV revenue. Regarding "trickle down", that's gonna' be hard to do when most schools are LOSING money on FB. https://www.on3.com/nil/news/what-is-nil-everything-you-need-to-know-about-this-major-change-in-college-athletics/ You're right about the chaos and I'm all for MORE of it in order finally force some kind of sanity to this whole thing.

Like has been said many times, there's plenty of blame to go around, BUT it's my understanding that the NIL concept originated with a player's lawsuit. In reality, it's probably a lawyer or agent type that got the idea and then used some players to advance it.

Here's a shot of our intrepid newsman pursuing his next scoop regarding UNT FB.

Yeah, that was pretty much my thoughts when I made my post about his chances of ever playing. I'm not all that excited about paying for his transfer credits, nutrition program, and workout facility only to make him a better player at Okie State or wherever he ends up playing.

Looks like we've got another one signed.

Or how to compete w/o Nick Saban.

Like others have said, wait until they break away and have to completely compete solely among 30-40 teams of mostly similar levels. It's going to take 10-15 years for them to become accepting to 8-4 records as a norm with the occasional 10-2 season, similar to the NFL.

I have "heard" reports that this number has gotten pretty high, but then you can always "hear" most anything.

Given that on-average, Division 1 FB teams are LOSING money, when do we start CHARGING the players to play? Or do we go with the "Robin Hood" tax plan and take OhioState and UT money and distribute it to the rest? https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/Finances/2023RES_DI-RevExpReport_FINAL.pdf

Don't forget dead hookers. SMU: 5 All other schools: 0

So, I guess it's good to see the school in a city ~10x the size are finally interested in watching their local team. Dallas Population: 1,302,753 Denton Population: 164,096 Although, I'd really like to see photos of these SRO crowds that supposedly happened at every game this year. Also, look at that #4 team AND #2,#5 in the decline section. Teams also in large cities. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/12/20/cfb-attendance-increases-decreases "SMU's surprise run to this year's CFP field drew an average of 32,652 fans per game at the 32,000-seat Gerald J. Ford Stadium"

I already wonder how long he's going to stay anyway. Is he expected to challenge P-barger for the starting position? If not, do we expect him to take the job in year 2 or would it be more likely that EM brings in another experienced QB. Whatever we do, I don't want ANY consideration regarding lost eligibility to factor into whether he plays or not. Edit: I posted before seeing this which is definitely good news.

These players had already chosen to get a free education at a given school when they first committed and they should have factored their degree options/quality into that decision. Now, if after playing for a while, an offer to a BETTER UNIVERSITY (not FB team) for their career is now being offered, then transferring is a valid choice. However, I doubt that is much of a decision factor in the majority of transfers. BTW here's an interesting NCAA site that provides data on graduation, majors, etc. Click on the columns to view different breakdowns, i.e. By Sport. https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2018/5/15/division-i-diploma-dashboard.aspx Also, the NCAA claims that graduation rates have been trending up since the reforms in 2002. While this may be true, I suspect it also has to a lot to do with the general increase in college graduation due to the introduction of numerous less-rigorous majors. More information can be found at the additional links found on the following page: https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/11/20/media-center-di-graduation-rates-remain-at-highest-level.aspx https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/gradrates/2024/2024D1RES_GSRTrends.pdf

Maybe this is something Vito could be reporting on. To be fair, I don't subscribe to DRC and I hadn't thought of following him on Twitter. I just checked and he has made some recent posts regarding recruiting (including the latest one below), so maybe he has posted something about this too.

Yeah, while 10k students may be okay with this, the other 36k may not be happy about it at all, especially when all 46k are complaining about how expensive college has become. Having 15-20k students picketing to drop football doesn't help recruiting or TP enticements.

Most of y'all know more about the details of NIL since I really haven't been interested in looking into it, but I've got to wonder how much longer this NIL sham is going to go on before it becomes payment. Has it officially been changed/recognized by the NCAA that it is no longer based on actual usage of N.I.L.? It was obvious from the get-go that NIL was simply a stepping stone toward direct player payment (above the table) but I don't know if the NCAA has finally changed the rules to make it that way. I may be missing some areas, but the only two places that I see where NIL is used "en masse" is in the video games and TV broadcasts. Otherwise, the only other way I see their true N.I.L. revenue being earned is for a player to directly sell their "usage", i.e. advertisements, t-shirts, autographs, photos, etc. So, I found the following regarding EA and TV. Apparently, this accounts for essentially NONE of the NIL payment to players. A mere $600 from EA and NOTHING from TV. So, then we have the collectives, which have essentially created an opaqueness to the traceability, allowing funds to be built up and then distributed without any basis of NIL usage. If you start forcing fans to pay into this collective w/o any form of ACCOUNTING, AUDITING, etc., I suspect there will soon be lawsuits from the fans demanding to know that the collected money is being spent on the player wearing their team's jersey this year (or in this specific game when hit with a concession fee). I think the collectives are also going to face some challenges when the money starts spanning seasons and the portal has players moving on after a year, i.e. you're paying into a collective for player X, but now he's moved on to another team. Kinda' like coaches contracts, is money still being paid to a player in delayed form after he's moved? Again, w/o any accounting/auditing, they may be in for some trouble. Similarly, what about when a player that's collecting (forced) NIL decides to not play in the post season? I suppose it could be argued that he is past the "season ticket" purchase, but there is always more charges to the season ticket package purchase than just the individual games, so it could be argued that your "season" purchase literally means for the entire season. As usual, the big winners are going to be lawyers, both in lawsuits and in writing the 5000 page Terms Of Service 3pt font that's going to accompany every ticket. It'll be interesting to see how they squeeze all of that text onto the bottom of the Hot Dog and Coke menu board at the concession stand.

Correct, just as many of us have been complaining how this makes it true for every team, which hurts the game. The worst part is that some teams have to shop at the Dollar Store while others will be shopping at the Galleria.

Yes, they are. It's not simply that they are trying to maximize the money, but HOW they are doing it. Each player is entitled to do it however they want, but doing it in a way that is completely self-centered and void of any commitment to your team, your school, and its fans, then that is being greedy. Again, you're allowed to do it, but don't be offended if somebody calls you greedy for doing it. A simplistic analogy that stays on the sports field would be a running back that breaks away for the final first down with 20 seconds to go in a 1 point game. Instead of sliding down at the 40, he chooses to keep running in order to score another TD, but he gets the ball knocked out. The other team runs it back inside the 10 and is able to kick a last second FG to win. You could say that he's just trying to maximize his stats (true and valid), but his GREED in doing this cost his TEAM the game. Now, as has been said, this situation isn't the fault of one specific side but from multiple sources. But as was stated, the students are now starting to increase their impact on this runaway system. BTW - it was questioned in an earlier thread as to who started this whole NIL thing and as someone mentioned, it was Ed O’Bannon UCLA BB. https://www.on3.com/nil/news/what-are-nil-collectives-and-how-do-they-operate/

I think in your scenario part of what will happen is that the players will end up splitting into two groups: those that are minor league FB players destined for the NFL (short CFB term) and those that treat it as a full time job (longer CFB term). To your point, the NFL will be grabbing the best players when they are younger. Those that don't make the NFL will be the ones that remain in college. This will get more interesting once the players get turned into "employees", which is likely just a matter of time. When this happens, there will initially be restrictions on the employment, but like everything else, lawsuits will force changes, eventually making the players normal employees of the university. This will be followed by the legal challenge to get unlimited eligibility because it will be claimed that you can't fire an employee after 2 years, simply for hitting a "term limit". So, you say make them "contract" employees. That will have it's own set of problems. The next challenge will be to remove total "player" limits since these are just employees. Just as you can't limit how many janitors, professors, or secretaries a school can hire, you can't limit the number of hired "players". While it will likely be possible to limit the number of "active players" for a game, the hiring limit will have to be removed. While pro teams do have roster limits, that is purely self imposed by the league. The schools aren't going to do it (likely not legally allowed either) and the powerless NCAA will be able to do nothing about it. So, eventually, you have a system where schools can hire as many players as they want and keep them as long as they want. People can scoff at this, but the whole system is going to be driven by court decisions as this continues down the slippery slope that almost everybody predicted. It's why I smh at people that simply say "make them employees". As usual, they usually haven't considered either of the two issues I mentioned and I'm sure there are many other issues to address as well. HR is gonna' LOVE dealing with all of this! Now, where do HS players fit into this whole situation? As others have mentioned, this is really going to affect them and it's vary as the timeline moves along through the court challenges, resulting in the various changes. It will likely take at least a decade or more to get most of them resolved. I'm really not sure what's going to happen, but, as usual, the greatest HS players will be treated differently than the average and differently again for the "walkons". Until the system settles into some version addressing the two issues I described above (and many others), it will depend on the order in which the various changes are challenged/accepted/rejected by the courts. Given just the two I mentioned, you can make your own determination as to what will happen to the various HS students AND the existing players, some of which could be at a location for many years. We'll start in stage #1 and progress to stage #4, but stages #2,#3 could happen in the any order. YES eligibility limitations; YES hiring limits: TBD YES eligibility limitations; NO hiring limits: TBD NO eligibility limitations; YES hiring limits: TBD NO eligibility limitations; NO hiring limits: BIG$$ university can simply buy up all of the HS players that are willing to sit on the bench for big money? (similar to no salary cap in pros). As mentioned earlier, I can only imagine the "fun" this is going to bring to HR (and to the players, um, I mean employees) as annual "employee evaluations" are performed. As an example, given stage #3, how is a school going to deal with a situation where there are numerous 8+ year "employees" with a "meets expectation" but needs to get rid of them to make room for a great HS players or "transfers"? They could artificially "downgrade" an employee's evaluation, but anybody that's familiar with the corporate world knows this can lead to lots of trouble, including more lawsuits if they don't have a lot of info to back it up. And if you're in a public school, I'm sure there's a ton of processes to go through before terminating an employee, i.e. PIP plan, etc. Things like this is what will cause the situation to advance to stage #4 more quickly. Regarding the NFL, once we hit stage #4, schools will become even more direct minor league/farm systems for the NFL and the NFL will begin to get MUCH more involved. Luckily, NFL teams and owners are some of the most upstanding, values-minded people, so they won't do anything underhanded. /sarc

Purely a guess but maybe those that could provide offense haven't shown equivalent defensive skills in practice. But I agree, we need some kind of adjustment.