oldguystudent

Then we must all be post doctoral scholars around these parts. I was wondering about based on the broken clock being right twice a day theory.

Huh. I'd never thought of that before. I'd always assumed via the number of people I know who can't show up until 4 on the average Saturday that it has just become a much more common work day than it was 35 years ago.

I don't want to play the team that has a player with the vertical leap to reach the Pit Crew seats!

I would pay good money for a tape of Johnny speaking to the boys during halftime.

I misread a post. My bad.

Typical UNT gmg response. We're down by 17 at half, we come back, we win...bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. We should have won by 147 points.

It's on. PM me for the details.

Post...of...the...decade!! Perhaps to compliment this new savior of our program, we could have a promotions night for the first 15,000 fans...

I feel quite strongly that the campus is in strong need of a pub.

The waterless urinals at Fouts.

That is a good question. My first gut reaction is to say let him go. I've already stated that I believe defense is what wins, and a flashy offense without a defense is, in my opinion, akin to getting a boob job -- it's sexy, but it doesn't make the end product any more productive (or reproductive as the case may be). For the next inevitable question regarding who's more responsible for the atrocious defense, Dodge or DeLoach, I'm simply not educated enough in the ways of coaching hierarchy, control, and responsibilities to know.

I agree. I think people find him guilty by association, and regardless of what his actual talent may be, any playing time is obvious and blatant nepotism.

I too did the math and came up with the approximate figure of $2500 when they first announced this bailout. My initial reaction was also to just cut everyone a check. Then I recalled the advertisements in the last couple sets of free checks the government sent out (2001 and 2008). While we sensible people would either invest the money or pay down existing debt, too many people took that $300 check and...ready?...put it as a down payment on a $1500 TV thus creating even MORE consumer debt. If they had simply pissed the money away on some trinket that cost exactly $300, it would've been great. Money in motion is indeed stimulating to the economy, but when millions of people use it to increase existing consumer debt, more defaults are a mathematical certainty, and the securities wrapped up in that debt are sure to crash. So, what to do with the money? Man, I don't know. If you just let people keep it by not collecting taxes, I don't know that it would be all that great for the economy either. If the wealthy with 90% of the tax money just kept it, I don't believe the so-called trickle down economic theory takes place in reality. I think a lot of that money just gets holed up somewhere safe and never sees the light of day. I never know which side of the fiscal fence to sit on. You go to the left side, collect a bunch of money from the wealthy, redistribute it to the poor in the form of entitlement programs, and you deincentivize both rich and poor from ever being productive. Remember that back in the days of Eisenhower through Johnson, the top tap bracket was 90%. Where's my incentive to work harder with that? I sit home eating cheetos, making babies and watching Jerry Springer? For free? And you pay me? Why the hell would I look for a job? On the other hand, you go all invisible hand of the free market, and it's only a matter of time before the 98% of the foolish population and their money are soon parted by the 2% not so foolish segment of the population. You think that 2% is gonna just hit the reset button and give it all back? Then what happens to the "fools"? No safety net. Just let them roll over and die? For me, I just keep chugging right along and hope to God that I've got enough to feed myself a pittance of stale grits and an occasional boiled egg when I'm too old to work and social security is long since dead.

I grew up on the beach in California. It's in the DNA. Just be happy I don't break out with the gnarlys.

This is what I see. 1) An absolute refusal to adjust to circumstances. So far, the stay the course mentality is so strong and so stubborn that we may as well go full bore ahead even with that iceberg sitting right in front of us. 2) A strong need and desire to be a father figure and authority to his players without understanding that 18-22 year-olds have much different leadership and role model needs and response to authority than 14-17 year-olds. 3) Surprise at the speed of the D1A game after being a D1A quarterbacks coach and a record setting quarterback at UT??? None of the above things makes the man a bad person. It does cause me to question the appropriateness of his current position and title.

How 'bout the 1962 fearsome foursome of Craig Anderson, Bob Moorhead, Herb Moford, and Larry Foss? They combined for a 3-21 record.

Getting closer, but winning pct the first two years is 39% better, and career winning pct is 90% better.

Dude. It's a one-bid conference that doesn't even garner NIT consideration. tourney or bust means having a run of luck in the conference tournament and getting past MTSU, WKU and ASU (others?). As for the original question about RV, there are two things. 1) After seeing the commentary following last Saturday's 3OT win, I'm convinced that 17 consecutive years of national championships for all men's and women's teams at UNT combined with a 100% graduation rate at 100% 4.0 GPA, a national deal with ESPN to be the featured game of the week each and every week, free lap dances in the parking lot at half time, vibrating Corinthian leather seats at the new open air, climate controlled football stadium, and personal door-to-door limousine service to and from each game, while still a completely self sustaining and profitable program, requiring no donations from alumni or students, would still bring gripes from this message board, and it would fall on RV's head to fix it. This one's on the fan base. 2) There's like, what? 12 people on this message board? Maybe it's a chicken and egg issue, but it's tough to grow a program with 12 fans in your pocket. OTOH, it's tough to increase your fan base with 12 first downs every season. This one falls on the department.

I'm thinking Brian Kingman would be about the closest comparison. Year Ag Tm Lg W L G 1980 25 OAK AL 8 20 32 Hmm.. That's actually still twice as good a winning pct.

If so, then the entire male population of my daughter's elementary school in Frisco is destined for football greatness. I don't think it's quarterback names. I think it's trendy affluent suburbia names.

100 cases of beer? What's he gonna' drink next week?

I'll agree that football is the flagship sport of the athletic department, but it's not the entire athletic department. It's foolish to gauge the overall performance of the AD on the current W-L record of one sport. Would we be calling for RV's head on a plate if football were winning and women's soccer were in the tank? RV's job is the overall athletic department. Football belongs to TD. Some difficult executive decisions certainly lie ahead, but when I look at the Mean Green Village across the way, the new soccer field, the softball field, the tailgating environment, the improvement of the basketball team (I mean, c'mon, the basketball team used to lose to Irvine for God's sake!), I see great strides being made toward emphasis on athletics at this school. How many of you calling for RV's head are wearing those T-shirts that read "I support ALL UNT athletics"? I've promised to take the kid to some softball games this spring. I'm really really glad that I don't have to go to some rundown city park to do it. ETA -- I've known quite a few ADs in my life, and I've only known one other that's as accessible as RV. I've also never seen ANY other AD tireless walk through the stands at EVERY game shaking hands with students and alumni thanking them for coming, shaking hands with the dancers, cheerleaders, and band members thanking them for the job they do. If there's anything Rick's not, it's apathetic about the program and its supporters.

If I am to listen to the kid at home, Old Guy Student is indeed my real name.

It has been asked of me if perhaps we should do a basketball tailgate. Looking at the calendar, it appears that Feb 7 or 21 would be the most likely dates to do so. I'm still unclear as to whether such a thing is allowed or not, so first things first. If anyone knows if it's legal to tailgate for basketball, could you let me know? Now on to the reality of the situation. Both games are 7pm starts in February. This means ultimately tailgating in the dark and perhaps the cold. Those who saw me with the BBQ lit at 7AM on a cold November morning should know I'm down with it, but I wonder how the rest of you feel about it.

Mitch, first of all, I only came across that letter because I googled you out of curiosity as to whether you'd played at UNT or not. My point in referencing it is that everybody comes to a time when a change is deemed appropriate. The circumstances between you and Vizza are likely not similar at all. I think I unfairly took a poke at you just because the mentality around here seems to be that getting a scholarship to UNT is some kind of indentured servitude through which one should weather regardless of circumstances or situation. I believe the underlying reasons for this decision to run far deeper than a 1-11 record or competition with Riley Dodge, and I think Gio and his family thought long and hard before pulling the trigger. I'm also pretty certain that Vizza's parting was mutually agreed upon. We were all 18-21 years old once, and we all made some good choices and some not so good choices. Most of us were able to do so without being in the spotlight of a D1A football program. It's easy for me now to sit on campus and wag my disapproving finger at students who don't go to class, don't buy their books, and whine when they don't get good grades, but it's also easy to forget what my priorities were and what level of commitment I had at that age. It's really apparent that you're well respected among the older fans here, and I'm glad you were able to work hard, persevere and lead. On the flip side, as someone who's newly associated with this university, and who read your post without knowing you from anyone else, it was easy to infer that you are jumping on the "Gio is a quitter" bandwagon. If this departure is mutually beneficial to the UNT football program and the Vizza family, then the personal venom that is flung at both sides of the equation is, to answer untjim1995's question, about the only thing that would drive me away from being a fan of this program. I've been reading a lot of tripe from both sides today, your post came along, I came across that letter, and I took a reactionary pot shot. For that I apologize.