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Not even worth a response. If UTSA keeps out recruiting UNT the way they have so far this year, they will be beating us by 30 every game. That isn't a rivalry.

This. Hopefully things improve in the next month. Brett just tryin' to keep that parking pass.

Hustler Hustlin'

At this point, exactly.

I offer Deandre Harris as last year's example.

1/20th of the amount will be paying off DMac and RV's contracts next year... Hire better.

That wasn't the situation. Benford had Ernie's full support. Now we know why Deandre was so pissed all the time. He knew he could play but had to play in a terrible system for a terrible coach. I'd be pissed, also. But, remember, he was last year's cancer...

At the beginning of the season, that was Ermie's stance. There is a reason Benford is back for a 5th year of a 5 year contract after completely destroying the basketball program. I have no idea how Ernie feels now. I've been told he is no longer attending BB games. Don't know if that's true, but I didn't see him at the one game I went to this year. Perhaps his opinion has changed. Preseason, he was still VERY much on board the Benford train.

Shows how good my memory is. Was it a butts in the seats sellout or a tickets sold sell out? Either way, that's your cap for attendance if we drop down to form a new FCS league. That "constituency" would shrink considerably if we voluntarily moved to a lower division of football... Again...

Also believed to have a Clemson offer not listed.

You are correct. I read past "unless." I still think a program like Syracuse or Wake Forrest is a better opponent, though. Look, if the other OOC home game wasn't an FCS, I wouldn't be opposed to the Army series. It isn't.

Well then, let's drop to D2. We KNOW we can beat them.

This is an Army team that hadn't been to a bowl in, what, 13 years? They don't have a better rep than Ok St or Texas Tech. You guys been smoking weed. Its an ok series... If UNT ever played a P5 at home... They don't.

17-10 in the third. Great game. They aren't united. That's why there has been no law suit. Hell, just look at the article quoted in this thread. The P5 has used whore money to divide and conquer. Look no further than our last AD, who would have been opposed to this for the fear of losing that whore money he so openly coveted. How did that work out for him and UNT? The P5 is 100% together on ther goals. G5s need to learn from them. Solidify, file the lawsuit, and put the P5 on defense. For the first time in their existence. Also, having ADs and coaches who try to use G5s to hit the P5 jackpot is another reason. It's also another point of systematic competitive disadvantage for a law suit.

Problem is a class action anti-trust suit can award damages. For the past, what, 15 years? Lawsuits are about risk/reward. The G5 has very little risk and a huge reward. The P5 has a huge risk with a moderate to low reward. The P5 and especially the NCAA has a HUGE incentive to settle the lawsuit. That's pressure. The P5 leaving the NCAA and going out on their own is huge pressure on the NCAA not to lose their cash cows. Having to admit they are a semi pro league and open up an unregulated pay scale for college players is a huge risk for the P5s. Please, tell me the risk for the G5s. Because I don't see any.

Our goal should be to join a P5 conference.

1988, my mistake. And what do you think attendance was for that 1988 SFA (ranked #9 at season's end) and #1 ranked UNT team was? Maybe Rick has a better memory than I, but I don't recall but about 10k being in attendance, if that. Interesting note is that Northwestern St (La) actually won conference that year with a 6-0 record. Northwestern St. finished the year ranked #8, SFA ranked #9, and UNT ranked #10. UNT played on the road at #6 Marshall and lost 7-0. Both SFA and NW St advanced to the second round before losing. If anyone can find official attendance for that SFA game, it would be interesting to know, as that is the ceiling for attendance if you create a lower tier for the G5s.

First, a whore game is where a G5 is paid $1 million to got to a P5 stadium. OU traveled to Houston for a Cougar home game. That isn't a whore game. Not even close. Still waiting for Baker to fix this terrible schedule. So far he has failed to accomplish that goal. Other G5s get home games with P5s. Your former boss wanted the whore money and stated so openly. Hopefully that has changed, although there is no evidence of it yet. W. Michigan is 2-0 against the Big 10 this year and look to go 3-0 against Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl. Again, you just want to give up and become a lower level team just to have a meaningless trophy to pkay for and refuse to acknowledge the loss in donations, TV money, attendance, and alumni interest in the program if UNT went this route. UNT tried it once. I was there in 1989 when UNT was ranked #1 in FCS and couldn't get 10k in the stadium for a game. No one cared about a lower tier team. Do this and also watch enrollment flatline or decrease. I'm sure @FirefightnRick would also echo this frustration, as he was there at the same time. @Harry should also know better than to open this can of worms, as he sat in those stands with 8k others. You want to repeat those numbers, follow the Munthe plan. And you just made the G5 legal argument for them. Every team in every other NCAA division has the right and the chance to play for a title. The G5s are frozen out, which provides a woefully unfair competitive advantage to the P5. It limits the ability of a G5 program to change it's fate by being successful. It limits visibility and therefore limits the marketability of their programs to TV networks, which limits income, which further limits the ability to be competitive. Courts can't ignore such very compelling evidence. Or you can just be a whore to have access to the big boys a la the Rick Villarreal method. EDIT: Oh, and this case wil end up in SCOTUS. No doubt about that as the P5s will do anything to protect their pile. This is where the Ryan Munthe theory of "the courts are full of P5 judges" falls extremely flat. Of the 8 Supremes, 6 graduated from FCS institutions or lower for their undergrad. So if you believe the Munthe theory, the G5s have already won this lawsuit. Only 2 justices have undergrads from a P5 and both oddly enough from Stanford (Bryer and Kennedy). Both often side with the liberal wing. Coincidence? Hardly!!!!!!1!1!!

Great argument...

I would caution to wait and see how they perform, as many a player highly rated out of high school have transferred in from a P5 only to be a back up or worse at UNT. I'd be more impressed with beating out multiple P5s for a high school recruit. Like Dodge did with Lance Dunbar... https://n.rivals.com/news/north-texas-adds-in-state-running-back

They can't. At least that is the way I read the NCAA rules. The guys you see committing now had offers before the dead period. Not sure how that affects JC players, though. EDIT: Speaking of FBS schools only here. Family friends (not me) had extra tickets. He likes football. Nothing more to it than that.

He was.

Third time you name called in this thread. The argument was well stated in a previous post. You don't like the argument so you become a third grader and name call. We disagree. I think UNT can be MUCH more successful now that your former boss is gone. I want to believe that for the first time in my lifetime, the UNT administration has made athletics as much as a priority as the music department. You want to go back to 1986. This may come as a shock to you, but UNT is just as capable of being ranked #5 in the country as Houston. UNT is just as capable as W. Michigan to go 13-0 and play Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl. But you would rather relegate UNT to second tier nothingness. And you label me as negative? ??????

You are looking t it from a defeatist, negative attitude and point of view. You want to give up because it's hard. Just like all the past UNT administrations that everyone criticizes so much. Life is hard. Period. Want to give up? Go ahead. But this university will do that without my support going forward.