CaribbeanGreen

Let's take the injuries and utterly humiliating and inept performance out of it, shall we? How about the nationally covered team wide drug scandal, the racism allegations and embarrassing news reports about such, sideline "cussing" controversies, players transferring mysteriously, several other behavioral transgressions in rapid succession, closed practices, poor information flow, minimal fan contact compared to predecessors, and curious practice snap distribution reeking of nepotism... AT LEAST HE'S MAKING GOOD HUSBANDS AND FATHERS!!!!1! Not to mention the obligatory coach/fan near fight! He matched and/or 1 upped that rogue Dickey tenure in literally almost every way... if DD ran a "rogue program", then what is this?? Some people like Dodge as a person. Great, that's just fine. But on the field, off the field, and everywhere else... this is a 4 year catastrophe. The only positives - attendance, new stadium - happened IN SPITE of him, and instead because of tailgating suddenly being allowed, creative financing, etc... There is no viable argument for defending this train wreck.

You're misunderstanding TTG's post... I believe he's referring to how some other posters viewed the situation. Regardless, I'm quite certain he feels very much the opposite (as do more and more posters as the years go by..)

I wasn't referring to just this one post, but a series of similar over the past week or so.

I understand the Dickey comparison you've been consistently making around here lately, but this one is a bit of a stretch even by the increasingly liberal standards used in this situation, don't ya think? Dickey had 3 more wins at this point in his career than Dodge - including 4 wins over FBS teams with winning records, including a win over a 10 win Boise State team, a win @ Texas Tech in Lubbock (and another near-miss @ Tech on a last minute fumble), 3 road wins against FBS opponents, and 10 losses by 20 or more. Dodge, by the same measure of time, has YET TO DEFEAT a FBS team with a winning record, has 1 road win over a FBS team (2 win Ball State - the WKU win was over a provisional FCS team), and has 14 losses by 20 or more. Not to mention that after the 3 year period in question, Dodge has 31 losses to Dickey's 25. At this point, Dickey has coached exclusively in the Big West (so no "cream puff SBC" argument that is so questionable to begin with) and had quite probably the worst facilities and game day experience in the country. No athletic center. No tailgating. No new weight room. No hope of a new stadium. No strong support in the AD's office. No student athletic fee. None of the bevy of advantages this staff has had, more than canceling out any highly questionable argument about caliber of competition.... and yet even in that staff's worst times, they significantly outperformed this one. I'm not arguing your passion, and I'd love to see a big win at Army and a miraculous job saving turnaround.... but the insinuation that Dodge winning Saturday somehow puts him ahead of Dickey's pace at any point is just not true.

Drew is famously dirty. Horrendously so. I've read and heard way too much from way too many people in CBB to believe anything else. It's basically open and well known throughout the biz... he's far too slick to come off as anything but squeaky clean in casual conversation.

Am I crazy or did Tomlinson go off on a cart from the sidelines in the 4th quarter as well?

This is the most amazing thing that's happened on this board in a while. You, sir, win the day. May the pages of your calendar turn ever faster as basketball season draws nearer to thee. It reminds me of Matthew McConaughey's closing statement in "A Time to Kill", or Kevin Costner's "back... and to the left" summation in "JFK". The defense f'n rests. I want to tell you a story. I'm going to ask you all to close your eyes while I tell you the story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. Go ahead. Close your eyes, please. This is a story about a high school football coach walking home from signing a college football coaching contract one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this football coach, excited and ready to replicate his high school success in college ball. Suddenly the new season races up. Opponents with experienced coaches jump out and grab him. They drag him into a nearby field and they tie him up and they rip his black Under Armour logo clothes from his body. Now they climb on. First one, then the other, raping his team, shattering everything innocent and pure with a vicious thrust in a fog of drunken breath, sweat, and 50+ yard plays. And when they're done, after they've killed his tiny playbook, murdered any chance for him to keep his team sober, to have the ability to convert PATs, they decide to use his defense for target practice. They start throwing the ball at his defense. They throw them so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to their bones. Then they urinate on him.. on the scoreboard and literally. They laugh. Now comes the hanging. They have a rope. They tie a noose. Imagine the noose going tight around his neck and with a sudden blinding jerk he's giving up 50+ on a regular basis, burning redshirts, cracking down on cursing, and giving his son all the reps in practice as a redshirt while his feet are swinging wildly in the air. They don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and he falls back to the earth. So they pick him up, throw him in the back of the truck and drive straight to the ESPN Bottom Ten. Pitch him over the edge. And he drops some thirty feet down to the sordid basement of internet ridicule. Can you see him? His black "Mean Green" gear in tatters, cleat marks on his chest and face? His raped, beaten, broken body soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood, left to die. Can you see him? I want you to picture that football coach. Now imagine he's Darrell Dickey.

I'm glad at least some modicum of sanity is being shown here re: the defense. I was fearing the 32-21 score and late meltdown would make this another "the defense cost us another one!!!1!" night, but it so obviously wasn't the case. It really wasn't anything new - Special teams were beyond embarrassing, as they have been for 3+ years now. We came out completely flat and were down before you could blink, just like last week and most of the past 3+ years..... The offense made the same horrible mistakes, turned the ball over, inexplicably forgot Dunbar existed, and piled up solid numbers that mask huge and timely deficiencies.... again, same song as the last 3+ years. I've yet to see a huge sea change as we transition from Dodge to Canales...... maybe it just takes some more time, but time is a luxury this staff doesn't (and shouldn't) have. The positive difference tonight? The defense. The defense played head and shoulders beyond the majority of the past three years (after the initial meltdown on the McGuffie wheel route) and kept us alive in a game that frankly, should have been a Rice blowout in the 2nd quarter. Crowd was good, I just wonder how much of it is left by the time ULL rolls in here.

I don't get the "defense is terrible, thank God we have Canales!" mentality based on this game. In the one stat that matters and given this team's recent history, I think holding Clemson to 35 at home is a heck of a lot more impressive than scoring 10. I'm not saying the defense is back or that the offense is worse, but let's just all slow down a bit here, eh?

every day about 12:45. And yes, I'm honored, and yes, I wipe it.

wait - I always thought this was okay if you transferred with an undergraduate degree in hand to a school that offered a graduate program your original school did not. No? Bias? BCS? #dbg?

ever see a guy with a fake head?

Thank you, Green P1. I've been waiting for this. Also, Thank you Westdale.

By definition, that is an impossible sentence.

Yeah, I don't know the details of that game and I'm aware that it's not in chronological order, but assuming there was no injury-based reason, it's obvious multiple QBs were used.

LAKE HIGHLANDS 49, Mesquite 38. Sounds like defense that would make a Mendoza proud...

Lake Highlands @ Mesquite.

If four years in, you still have yet to master the PAT and are in a "might as well go for it" mode, then yeah, it's on the coaches. As are most of the deficiencies we've seen minimal improvement in in a three year period. I don't understand how Chancellor redshirts with all the issues at WR, especially in such a critical season for this staff. Then again, it's the same head coach who said re: Carey “We hope to get him back for the first game [at Clemson], but definitely I want to get him back for Rice and Army", so who the heck knows what the end goal is. Maybe we'll just roll out the Eagle Angels at WR at Clemson, take our 7 TD beating, and get ready for Rice. Hopefully Jackson and Stradford are just dinged and won't miss time, unless the Clemson sandbagging claims them. Sounds like the biggest positive was the defensive speed... I hope that translates, particularly in the "giving up the big play" arena....

I agree with the platoon against Clemson considering the coach's likely honest view of that game. Given the comment this week about Darius Carey: “We hope to get him back for the first game [at Clemson], but definitely I want to get him back for Rice and Army,".... one doesn't have to think hard to recall the STUNNING admitted strategy in Manhattan a couple years back replaying itself. Platoon the QBs, figure out what works best, and get ready for Rice and Army... you know, the games we DEFINITELY want to be full strength for.

Sigh. What a quote. /kstate'd

Don't hate.... golf sport IS a well entertaining game, and you f'n KNOW it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's the vice versa that's the issue....

You think one injury-free play in game #2 may have cost us 4 wins? I'm not taking a shot at you, I just really want to understand what it is you're saying here.... Also, re: the ultimatum, my own humble opinion is that a 6 (or possibly even 5) win team this year shows such HUGE marked improvement over last season (doubling the win total, equaling or surpassing the ENTIRE win total for the past three years combined) and such undeniable massive progress that firing Dodge wouldn't make sense. Sure, saying "5/6 wins in year 4 isn't acceptable" sounds nice, but taken in context with the last three seasons, it's almost unheard of progress. I believe he'd stay. I firmly believe that with 5 or more wins, the fanbase is going nuts over potential, improvement, the new stadium, etc... and that there would be significant resistance to firing Dodge, especially if even one of those wins is against anyone surprising or mixed in with close losses. Mind you, I'm not saying this is a perfect situation... I'm on record as saying Dodge wouldn't have survived the locker room after the Army game were it my call. I think this was the year you let him go... but by bringing him back, you've established that precedent and created a de facto lowering of the bar.... that's why I feel like with 5 wins, Todd Dodge opens our new stadium.

Clemson - Loss 52-13 Rice - Loss 38-21 Army - Loss 31-28 FAU - Loss 45-34 ULL - Win 38-22 Arkansas State - Loss 30-20 FIU - Loss 34-31 WKU - Win 51-34 Troy - Loss 44-20 MTSU - Loss 55-24 ULM - Win 38-20 Kansas State - Loss 31-9 3-9

Good teams make their own luck. They're resilient, they don't consistently make egregious mistakes in critical or routine areas, one early non-con game doesn't define or impact the rest of their season ("sails" or otherwise), and they never wonder about woulda, coulda,, or shoulda. I get the frustration... that game was an epic crotch kick. But we weren't good enough to win it.... or most of our other games. The collapses we witnessed (the IMPOSSIBLE 4th quarter against Army comes to mind) were indicative only of a team that wasn't ready to win and was completely and embarrassingly unable to execute even the most basic of junior high level fundamentals at critical times (PATs, anyone? Back to back time outs?). The fact that we stayed close in several games is a credit to the talent that we DO have, and I do feel like we have reason to be optimistic about the future. But I disagree that we were "close" to being a top half of the conference team last year or that predictions slotting us at 3 wins this year are offensively wrong. A LOT has to change here in a very short time... literally, an entire culture and mindset has to be reworked, not to mention a fundamentals-on-up coaching job that is almost like starting from scratch. This is a big, big, job, and while we have some hope that pieces are falling into place and we've made some upgrades on the sidelines, history tells us quite clearly what to expect. A turnaround like some of us seem to expect (or maybe just hope for) would, quite literally, be unheard of in the realm of college football. So, yeah, I hope we go out there and make some history. I hope the players and coaches buy into the fact that we actually can do so.... but I don't think there's a 7 win ultimatum, and I think we need to focus on extra points, clock management, and not running into each other before we start marking of W's, past or future.