CaribbeanGreen

As long as we can agree that Tolstoy is way out of our price range.

It was Gandhi, but no matter..... If someone had correctly quoted GANDHI on GMG, I might have imploded. I'm kinda glad it got screwed up. Who would Dostoyevsky hire?

I thought he was put in charge of coaching a college football team to some level of success. If you're right, and he still got fired, maybe he didn't clean up Big Bad Darrell's mess too well? Okay. So, to clarify, Dodge took over a team with rampant drug use and cleaned it up, yes? Also, to make sure I understand, you're saying Dodge was one of the major factors in getting the stadium built and that Dodge was the reason attendance is decent... and finally, since I'm delusional, that must mean that you disagree with my main point and believe firmly that Dodge was a "good hire", correct? Does this make Sam Dibrell a "good recruit"?

Which is fine... if we're only talking about what went on after that run, that's a fair assessment. One of the few things that really gets to me in where we live today, sports, is the belittling (even with those subtle little qualifiers) of that run. We should bask in that run as though it was the light from the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, especially with our history. And frankly, I think that someday we will - probably when those in school at that time are the old timers around here. Sometimes, timing just fails you. If that group, coming off that run, had had facilities above the level of a struggling 3A school, a university that allowed tailgating and created a strong game day atmosphere, and the promise of a shiny new stadium, I like to think we'd have "capitalized" a bit better. Do I think we'd be at the "Boise State!!!1!" level some people see as our birthright? Absolutely not. We wouldn't be winning 4 straight titles remotely regularly either... but we'd be in a hell of a lot better position in the W column. Yeah.... screw it - I'll say it.... I wish that Darrell Dickey had had HALF the advantages, facilities, and support that Todd Dodge had. It may not be a popular opinion around here, but I'd have sure as hell loved to have seen what might have happened.

If you actually think that we don't have a new stadium without Dodge, then, well, we agree to disagree. And if you think attendance stayed up because of Dodge and not because we suddenly allowed tailgating and totally changed the gameday atmosphere, then again, agree to disagree. I think attendance stayed decent IN SPITE of Dodge. Didn't hear a whole lot of good things said about him around the tailgate and in the stands after the first year or so, know what I mean? I don't have specific numbers on grades, but as to the drug thing - weren't the most high profile names that came out (in some specific cases) Dodge recruits? And I don't recall previous teams at NT being exactly like Miami in the 80's, and don't care to paint them with that brush. There isn't a university at any level in any sport that would consider a tenure identical to Dodge's a "good hire" or anything short of the polar opposite of that. Then again, we're North Texas.

Never said a word about Leavitt. Sorry for the confusion? It's "not saying much", eh? Soooo, you're either sticking to your original "hollow, irrelevant" argument and saying that team really didn't accomplish anything of any substance, or you're agreeing that it was one of the best runs in NT history yet only because that history is so pathetic. Has to be one of those two, so which is it? I could be sold on the second argument (damn sure not the first), but I'll continue to stick to the fact that we saw our alma mater win 4 straight conference titles while producing back to back national rushing titles. A fact i find anything but hollow, irrelevant, or "not saying much", regardless of what was or wasn't "capitalized on". The Florida Marlins didn't "capitalize" on either of their two World Series titles. Does that make those titles "not worth much" or any less of an amazing achievement?? If Darrell Dickey put on a black jersey, burned down the administration building, and smoked the ashes it wouldn't change a damn thing about the run that we saw (and will very likely never see the likes of again in our lifetime). Those who spend time creating arguments designed to run that era and what those players accomplished down are beyond my comprehension.

Gays usually have better skin.

You said the run was hollow and irrelevant. I guess I..... misunderstood English?? I kinda thought it was undisputed fact it was one of the two most significant and successful runs in the history or NT football.

If you think Dodge was a good hire, you're gonna think RV hits this one out of the PARK!!!!!!

Boom, roasted. You know who's a nice person? My grandmother. Classy lady, too. Probably wouldn't have even effed over Miller or Insall. She's as friendly a person as you'd ever want to meet, too.... and I bet she could even pull off being a miserable pathetic failure as a college football coach.... but... CLASSY.

Speaking of, did you hear we re-upped with Hot Springs?

Yup. The downplaying of and scoffing at the (at WORST) second greatest run of football success in school history is utterly mind-boggling. Frankly, it's embarrassing. Sure, if we become Texas and grow that kind of history, a 4-year conference win streak blends into the ether a bit more. But here? For us? Why the EFF would anyone run down that run?!? If you're masochistic enough to be a NT football fan, those years should be nothing be a fantastic stinkin' memory. To belittle that run, well, maybe you're just a fan of what happened when you were there, can't get over personal relationships or butt hurt, or are utterly delusional. Me? I got to watch my alma mater roll off four straight conference championships and back to back national rushing champions. How many people - at ANY school or level - can claim that? Not effing many. WE CAN. Little ding dong NTSU. WE CAN.

Wow. Someone should tell Brad Kassell, Scott Hall, Brandon Kennedy, Jonas Buckles, Patrick Cobbs and company that their wins were hollow and irrelevant, their discipline was deplorable, that they won in spite of themselves, and that my God, we would NEVER want to go through a horrible sub-.500 era like theirs again. Just make sure I get to be there when you all do it, ok?

It was the same way with DD. They had pool parties together for pete's sake. Jub do what he do. He befriends coaches.

Fran fits that bill as well, and is my first choice across the board. That said, it will probably be Bower... which would also be the most give-up, unimaginative hire possible. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

How'd it work out with the girl in the uggs after you flexed at her?

So good it lost to stinko Rice at home with Dickey recruits all over the field?? That is the high standard we're claiming here? There are no-brainers, then there's the Todd Dodge decision.

Ah. The elephant in the room. The question there is no answer for.

At the start of this season - Dodge's fourth (full compliment of his recruits) - just about HALF (5) of his offensive starters were Dickey guys. So, you have a choice - the bare cupboard argument is ridiculous BS propped up by those with an increasingly lonely and flimsy agenda, or this offensive genius/recruiting whiz with great high school connections is one lousy recruiter. (I don't think he necessarily is, but I think the cupboard was just fine). Generally speaking, when one coach with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE STYLE AND SYSTEM replaces another, you don't see anything close to half of the offense being recruited by the old guy four years in. We sure saw that here. More than a quarter of our ENTIRE starting lineup going into this, the big "turnaround season", were Dickey recruits. Let that sink in. Let's think about this - Jamario Thomas. Danny Meager. Casey Fitzgerald. Tobe Nwigwe. Craig Robertson. Nathan Tune. Maurice Holman. Esteban Santiago, Eddie Gilmore, Victor Gill, Truman Spencer, Blake Burruss, Joe Miller, Draylen Ross, Monty Stevenson, Kelvin Drake, Brock Stickler, Aaron Weathers, Brandon Jackson, Chad Rose, Steve Warren, Brandon Monroe, Ike Thomas, and I could add several more if I wanted to look back.... THAT IS A BARE CUPBOARD I WOULD GO TO WAR WITH ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Some of the best players of the Dodge (or any) era at NT - J-Mo, Fitz, Tobe, etc. - are Dickey guys. Any Sun Belt coach should be so lucky to inherit such a bare cupboard. I just hope the new coach next year has a cupboard so well stocked.

The fact that this thread has devolved into comments regarding the "bare cupboard" TD inherited yet again - despite the fact that it's the most refuted, crapped on, torn apart, and spit out tired B.S. argument in board history- kind of means we've reached the end of the argument. Don't make TTG rape and pillage you all again.

Was he promised a scholarship by Darrell Dickey?

We lost to Rice at home this year while "healthy"... A game just about everyone here considered a flat out must win for a number of reasons. The injuries have made this tougher, no doubt. Likewise, I'm not certain we win at FAU without them... suddenly, we actually ran the ball all day against the Owls - which we'd never done. Would the record be different w/o them? Maybe. Enough to save jobs or make a big impact in conference? Highly unlikely.

If true, that would make it all the more insane that Dodge was pretty immediately rehiring Dickey assistants and was starting Dickey players all over the field throughout his entire tenure. I highly doubt Insall was cut for that reason.

I don't know that a team that loses to Rice at home could have immediately assumed it was ahead of MTSU, FIU, ASU, or ULL.

Great take. Rack it.